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Posted: 8/22/2016 2:25:58 PM EDT
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Since I know this topic comes up fairly often, I've tried to be as specific as possible for what I am looking for. I've been kicking around the idea of getting a new trigger for at least one of my AR's recently. When all is said and done it may end up being three triggers but they will each have a different set of requirements for them. All of them currently use standard LPK triggers.
For a frame of reference, I personally have experience with only stock triggers in my AR's, Tavor, UZI Carbine, M1911A1 repro, two different Jericho 941's, a Ruger GP100,and a Savage Accutrigger bolt action. My AKM-pattern rifle has what I believe to be a Tapco G2 unit and my Ruger Mk.I Target has Volquartsen parts. I've also handled and fired a few AR's with aftermarket triggers that have had pull ranges of around 3.5 pounds. I have no actual pull numbers for my firearms other than the Tavor being "short but heavy as hell", the revolver being "heavy and long" in DA, and the Ruger MkI being "disturbingly light". I really don't have any hands on experience of an AR with a two-stage trigger and while the descriptions of the difference between single stage and two stage is only somewhat helpful without actually feeling it. I don't know if I'd want to spend money on a trigger style without trying it first. Rifle #1 The rifle I'd plan to replace the trigger on first is the one I build to use at "Practical Rifle" events that the range I belong to hosts monthly. The stages are a bit more open ended and things get bumped around a bit. For this rifle I was looking at single stage triggers and was otherwise pretty open ended. I was looking at the Hiperfire Hipertouch EDT and the POF 4.5lb unit, but I was reading around on some of the "tuned" or "coated" options such as the ACT or QMS and similar offerings from Bravo, Spikes, or even the PSA enhanced. My concern with the latter is the ranges that they are allowed to be (the ACT for example lists 5.5 to 9.0lb) and if they are worth it when compared to a standard trigger or the $85 EDT. Everything I'm looking at is 4.5lbs or higher. this is because for the planned use of this rifle, I felt the 3.5 unit I tried would be too light. Rifle #2 This rifle is my "precision" build, or at least I hope so once I get better at it. It's main purpose is to poke holes in paper at range and make me feel good about myself. 
Unlike the first rifle, this one won't see any of the rougher movement and will most often be fired from some sort of support and more for fine accuracy than man-sized target, so I am a bit more open to lighter weight stuff and trying two-stage options since it seems they are more suited to the slower pull (and this may not be true at all, just my inference on it from reading). I was looking at the Ruger Elite option as this would be getting a new lower for the trigger and for $115 it comes with a fair amount of what the FCG would need, including selector and grip, but for $125 and all the positive experiences, the LaRue MBT seems to be the option to beat for only $10 more; yes I understand that the $125 is for the "I'm Patient" option. I haven't listed any of the Geissele products in the two-stage options due to cost. I'd like to keep the cost of the trigger down because that means more to spend on ammo for practice (this is the same reason I haven't dropped $250-300 on the aforementioned Tavor) and if the other products can do what I am looking for at a lower cost while still being a quality part, I'm all for that. Rifle #3 This would be my Retro 604 build and I am still on the fence regarding if I'd want to change it. The current hammer/trigger/disconnector are not vintage like the rest of the rifle and are pulled off of a modern production Colt LE6920 so they aren't authentic to begin with, but any replacement would have to look like the original parts from the outside: no strange trigger shapes and no fancy pins. Anyways, thanks in advance for any input. |
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#1: Geissele SD3G #2: Geissele Hi-Speed NM, DMR, SSA-E #3: ALG ACT ETA: Missed in your novel the "no" to Geissele due to price. Only suggestion would be ALG ACT all the things, Larue MBT, and maybe a RRA 2 stage in your #2 rifle. Yeah, I write detailed posts instead of open ended questions so people know what I am asking for information on. Other than the ones listed being double or more of the ones I was looking at, the SD3G is lighter than I'd like and the concern with the ALG ACT on Rifle #3 is the nickel plated trigger; if the protruding portion itself can't be painted it will stick out like a sore thumb. Would be an option for Rifle #1 although the concern with the published pull range is still a consideration. |
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Rifle #1 - Two recommendations
a. ALG ACT b. Elftmann Service Trigger (4lbs to 7lbs ) http://www.elftmanntactical.com/store/product/elf-service-trigger/ Rifle #2 - Three recommendations a. LaRue Tactical MBT-2S 2-stage trigger - 4.5 lbs (2.5 lb first stage, 2 lb second stage) http://www.larue.com/larue-tactical-mbt-2s-trigger b. Elftmann Tactical 3 Gun Single Stage Modular Trigger (Adjustable from 2 1/2 lbs to 4 lbs without removing from lower) http://www.elftmanntactical.com/store/product/elf-3-gun-trigger/ c. Elftmann Tactical Match Trigger (Adjustable from 2 3/4lbs to 4lbs without removing from lower) http://www.elftmanntactical.com/store/product/match-trigger/ Rifle #3 - A standard mil-spec trigger (you have that now) |
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Quoted: Rifle #1 - Two recommendations a. ALG ACT b. Elftmann Service Trigger (4lbs to 7lbs ) http://www.elftmanntactical.com/store/product/elf-service-trigger/ Rifle #2 - Three recommendations a. LaRue Tactical MBT-2S 2-stage trigger - 4.5 lbs (2.5 lb first stage, 2 lb second stage) http://www.larue.com/larue-tactical-mbt-2s-trigger b. Elftmann Tactical 3 Gun Single Stage Modular Trigger (Adjustable from 2 1/2 lbs to 4 lbs without removing from lower) http://www.elftmanntactical.com/store/product/elf-3-gun-trigger/ c. Elftmann Tactical Match Trigger (Adjustable from 2 3/4lbs to 4lbs without removing from lower) http://www.elftmanntactical.com/store/product/match-trigger/ Rifle #3 - A standard mil-spec trigger (you have that now) If he said no to the pricing on Geissele models, I'm guessing the Elftmann triggers would be a no go too. They are great, single stage triggers though. OP, the options I listed are $125 or less (MBT is $125 if you pick the "I can wait" option). |
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If he said no to the pricing on Geissele models, I'm guessing the Elftmann triggers would be a no go too. They are great, single stage triggers though. OP, the options I listed are $125 or less (MBT is $125 if you pick the "I can wait" option). Quoted:
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Rifle #1 - Two recommendations a. ALG ACT b. Elftmann Service Trigger (4lbs to 7lbs ) http://www.elftmanntactical.com/store/product/elf-service-trigger/ Rifle #2 - Three recommendations a. LaRue Tactical MBT-2S 2-stage trigger - 4.5 lbs (2.5 lb first stage, 2 lb second stage) http://www.larue.com/larue-tactical-mbt-2s-trigger b. Elftmann Tactical 3 Gun Single Stage Modular Trigger (Adjustable from 2 1/2 lbs to 4 lbs without removing from lower) http://www.elftmanntactical.com/store/product/elf-3-gun-trigger/ c. Elftmann Tactical Match Trigger (Adjustable from 2 3/4lbs to 4lbs without removing from lower) http://www.elftmanntactical.com/store/product/match-trigger/ Rifle #3 - A standard mil-spec trigger (you have that now) If he said no to the pricing on Geissele models, I'm guessing the Elftmann triggers would be a no go too. They are great, single stage triggers though. OP, the options I listed are $125 or less (MBT is $125 if you pick the "I can wait" option). The MBT-2S is the best buy going and you get an excellent trigger. It never hurts to show a couple other options for consideration. Sometimes, it is well worth spending a considerable amount more to get more. Personally, I like the MBT-2S. It is a very sweet trigger. I also have one of the Elftmann 3-Gun triggers. It is, by far, the best trigger I have ever used, single or 2-stage. Elftmann Tactical makes some very high quality and high performing triggers and you do pay more for them. All in all, it really depends on how much performance you want and what you are willing to spend. To me, a precision AR deserves the best you can give to it. |
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#1 ALG ACT, BCM PNT, or LaRue Tactical MBT with the included Heavy trigger spring Quoted:
#1 ALG ACT, BCM PNT, or LaRue Tactical MBT with the included Heavy trigger spring My main concern with the enhanced/tuned/polished triggers is if they are worth the cost for the uncertainty of their pull weight. That's part of what drew me to the Hiperfire (the known 4.5lb or 5.5lb pull), but it seems like those either aren't widely use or aren't widely regarded. Quoted:
It never hurts to show a couple other options for consideration. Sometimes, it is well worth spending a considerable amount more to get more. ... All in all, it really depends on how much performance you want and what you are willing to spend. To me, a precision AR deserves the best you can give to it. Don't say things like that. The best I could give it would be giving it to someone who can shoot better!
In all seriousness, I completely see your point, but for my current skill level I think that the jump to something like the Elftmann is more than I want to spend. For the amount I shoot and how I shoot, it is mostly about personal enjoyment. Considering my current trigger is noticeably heavy and gritty to the point where even I notice it and it interferes with my enjoyment, that's why I'm looking for the change. Pretty much anything will be an improvement on that but at the same time I don't see myself as good enough to see a major difference in enjoyment between a the MBT or the Elftmann with respect to the difference in cost. |
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My main concern with the enhanced/tuned/polished triggers is if they are worth the cost for the uncertainty of their pull weight. That's part of what drew me to the Hiperfire (the known 4.5lb or 5.5lb pull), but it seems like those either aren't widely use or aren't widely regarded. Don't say things like that. The best I could give it would be giving it to someone who can shoot better!
In all seriousness, I completely see your point, but for my current skill level I think that the jump to something like the Elftmann is more than I want to spend. For the amount I shoot and how I shoot, it is mostly about personal enjoyment. Considering my current trigger is noticeably heavy and gritty to the point where even I notice it and it interferes with my enjoyment, that's why I'm looking for the change. Pretty much anything will be an improvement on that but at the same time I don't see myself as good enough to see a major difference in enjoyment between a the MBT or the Elftmann with respect to the difference in cost. Quoted:
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#1 ALG ACT, BCM PNT, or LaRue Tactical MBT with the included Heavy trigger spring My main concern with the enhanced/tuned/polished triggers is if they are worth the cost for the uncertainty of their pull weight. That's part of what drew me to the Hiperfire (the known 4.5lb or 5.5lb pull), but it seems like those either aren't widely use or aren't widely regarded. Quoted:
It never hurts to show a couple other options for consideration. Sometimes, it is well worth spending a considerable amount more to get more. ... All in all, it really depends on how much performance you want and what you are willing to spend. To me, a precision AR deserves the best you can give to it. Don't say things like that. The best I could give it would be giving it to someone who can shoot better!
In all seriousness, I completely see your point, but for my current skill level I think that the jump to something like the Elftmann is more than I want to spend. For the amount I shoot and how I shoot, it is mostly about personal enjoyment. Considering my current trigger is noticeably heavy and gritty to the point where even I notice it and it interferes with my enjoyment, that's why I'm looking for the change. Pretty much anything will be an improvement on that but at the same time I don't see myself as good enough to see a major difference in enjoyment between a the MBT or the Elftmann with respect to the difference in cost. Understandable. I suppose that the MBT-2S would be your best bet for what you want. BTW, the ALG ACT is a great trigger. When I bought my BCM Jack Carbine, it came with one and it made a believer out of me. I recently installed one n my SIG MCX Carbine. What a difference it makes. For a service or patrol rifle, it is an excellent choice. The new BCM PNT and the PSA EPT trigger assemblies are getting good reviews as well. |
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Quoted: The MBT-2S is the best buy going and you get an excellent trigger. It never hurts to show a couple other options for consideration. Sometimes, it is well worth spending a considerable amount more to get more. Personally, I like the MBT-2S. It is a very sweet trigger. I also have one of the Elftmann 3-Gun triggers. It is, by far, the best trigger I have ever used, single or 2-stage. Elftmann Tactical makes some very high quality and high performing triggers and you do pay more for them. All in all, it really depends on how much performance you want and what you are willing to spend. To me, a precision AR deserves the best you can give to it. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Rifle #1 - Two recommendations a. ALG ACT b. Elftmann Service Trigger (4lbs to 7lbs ) http://www.elftmanntactical.com/store/product/elf-service-trigger/ Rifle #2 - Three recommendations a. LaRue Tactical MBT-2S 2-stage trigger - 4.5 lbs (2.5 lb first stage, 2 lb second stage) http://www.larue.com/larue-tactical-mbt-2s-trigger b. Elftmann Tactical 3 Gun Single Stage Modular Trigger (Adjustable from 2 1/2 lbs to 4 lbs without removing from lower) http://www.elftmanntactical.com/store/product/elf-3-gun-trigger/ c. Elftmann Tactical Match Trigger (Adjustable from 2 3/4lbs to 4lbs without removing from lower) http://www.elftmanntactical.com/store/product/match-trigger/ Rifle #3 - A standard mil-spec trigger (you have that now) If he said no to the pricing on Geissele models, I'm guessing the Elftmann triggers would be a no go too. They are great, single stage triggers though. OP, the options I listed are $125 or less (MBT is $125 if you pick the "I can wait" option). The MBT-2S is the best buy going and you get an excellent trigger. It never hurts to show a couple other options for consideration. Sometimes, it is well worth spending a considerable amount more to get more. Personally, I like the MBT-2S. It is a very sweet trigger. I also have one of the Elftmann 3-Gun triggers. It is, by far, the best trigger I have ever used, single or 2-stage. Elftmann Tactical makes some very high quality and high performing triggers and you do pay more for them. All in all, it really depends on how much performance you want and what you are willing to spend. To me, a precision AR deserves the best you can give to it. |
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