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Originally Posted By HendersonDefense: I'll make the new girls aware of the Arfcom discount but...... an update on the Turkish "FauxNelli M4". We have been running them more often in a new package that cashiers can use for adding onto their sales. The Turkish shotguns are running just as good as the Benelli, especially when considering they are getting more use than ever before. Fit, finish and function is on par with our factory Benelli so no complaints from me. V/R Ron Turkish FauxNelli M4 clones? got my attention, there. is that the Panzer Arms? or the Std Mfg Toros? maybe they're both one-and-the-same, just re-branded? just from a quick search on GB... |
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Originally Posted By rpoL98: Turkish FauxNelli M4 clones? got my attention, there. is that the Panzer Arms? or the Std Mfg Toros? maybe they're both one-and-the-same, just re-branded? just from a quick search on GB... See post #24, previous page. |
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Took about two weeks between kids and wife and work, but finally read all 42 pages! Thank you Ron for showing that value $ products can last well and we don't have to mortgage our kids to be able to afford something "good". This is exactly what I am building, and I could not be more excited. My wife and kids already want one built for them next :) My small contribution; all of the high round count threads relating to equipment used at Battlefield Las Vegas: If I have missed any, or if there are more I did not know about, I can edit and update this list) (As of April 2023, none of these are archived) Very helpful recap of this thread and covers alot of pertinent information Thread on high round count optics: Thread on high round count AK's Thread on high round count pistols Thread on high round count FN products Have to split into two replies due to new accounts not being allowed over a 2000 character count. |
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Sadly, the below threads have been archived. I could tell, seeing all the shotgun and other chatter spilling back into this Armalite thread. Are threads ever re-opened or considered for special-cases by the mods? Thread on high round count shotguns Thread on high round count Barrett M107A1 Thread on high round count HK & HK clones Thread on high round count pistol caliber carbines Thanks Ron, Thanks Battlefield LV, thanks to the military folks who run BLV, and thanks arfcom 
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Originally Posted By HendersonDefense: We had approximately 1.25 million rounds of Wolf Gold .223 prior to the COVID shutdown and had received another half million rounds of the Wolf M855. Since then, we've managed to source other ammunition to include Federal and I believe Magtech. We've always kept a large inventory in the event of situations like this and while some of our competition is having a hard time sourcing ammunition, we've kept business and usual. We are now looking at sourcing a larger supply from overseas in addition to our current sellers to double our standing inventory. V/R Ron How about that it's come full circle! I hope Federal doesn't cancel their contracts with you and offer you to repurchase at new higher rates like they did before. I'll definitely be looking into Wolf Gold and Magtech in the future. |
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@HendersonDefense I believe I had seen a post from you from a few years back that you had gotten some of the Wolf A1/T91 upper receivers. Are those still on the range and if not how did they hold up during their time there? T91 Tactical offers a few different aluminum handguards for them in picatinny and m-lok these days. |
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I have nothing to add other than to say my son, grandson and I went to BFV Sunday and it was awesome. My son and I had been there before, but it was my 16yo grandson's first visit. My son shot a G-18 and my grandson shot a SCAR, an MG-42 (the MG-08 he wanted to shoot was deadlined), a "chunker", a Barrett .50 and the Minigun. We had a behind-the-scenes tour after we shot and it really topped off our visit. The BFV guys are awesome and I highly recommended the experience. |
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Apologies if this is considered necro'ing an old post but I find it odd that the data regarding colt's bolts does not align with the expected life that the military encounters under a similar fire schedule (includes full auto) while running carbine gas length systems, both the army and crane cite that the expected life on bolts is anywhere from 5k-10k under their fire schedule before a bolt cracks where the cam rides (premature) or a lug sheers (mature, expected). What would cause such a large deviation in expected life when they are under similar conditions? 10k for example is much different than 50k. I understand that the military sources from multiple suppliers but you would have expected them to hone in on colt bolts are 500% more reliable than any other manufacturer. |
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Originally Posted By FJ803FE: Apologies if this is considered necro'ing an old post but I find it odd that the data regarding colt's bolts does not align with the expected life that the military encounters under a similar fire schedule (includes full auto) while running carbine gas length systems, both the army and crane cite that the expected life on bolts is anywhere from 5k-10k under their fire schedule before a bolt cracks where the cam rides (premature) or a lug sheers (mature, expected). What would cause such a large deviation in expected life when they are under similar conditions? 10k for example is much different than 50k. I understand that the military sources from multiple suppliers but you would have expected them to hone in on colt bolts are 500% more reliable than any other manufacturer. Originally Posted By FJ803FE: Apologies if this is considered necro'ing an old post but I find it odd that the data regarding colt's bolts does not align with the expected life that the military encounters under a similar fire schedule (includes full auto) while running carbine gas length systems, both the army and crane cite that the expected life on bolts is anywhere from 5k-10k under their fire schedule before a bolt cracks where the cam rides (premature) or a lug sheers (mature, expected). What would cause such a large deviation in expected life when they are under similar conditions? 10k for example is much different than 50k. I understand that the military sources from multiple suppliers but you would have expected them to hone in on colt bolts are 500% more reliable than any other manufacturer. A couple of key posts from early on in this thread: Originally Posted By EVR: The issue we hear all the time isn't that AR bolts are replaced due to schedule at "10,000" rounds or some such, but that they FAIL {as in busted lugs} at some figure around 10,000. Ron's experience indicates AR bolts last a LOT longer than many "experts" {especially those of military origin} suggest they do. Now........................................... Is it possible that claims of earlier failure of AR bolts are accurate, but caused by exclusive or nearly exclusive use of military ammo that may be running at higher average pressures? Because a lot of civvy ammo runs at lower-than-spec speed and likely pressure as well. We might expect there to be a greater incidence of wear and failure if a rifle is subjected to an exclusive high round-count diet of 55+k psi of M855 vs 45k or 48k of some civvy-made stuff. I'd love to know what the actual average working pressure of Wolf Gold is. I'm guessing that Wolf 55 grain isn't running at 3250 fps or anywhere near it and neither are the pressures commensurate with milspec ammo that is. Somebody with a chronograph should be able to help us with the muzzle speed. Originally Posted By lysanderxiii: He also, doesn't seem to be shooting super high pressure stuff like M855 and M855A1.... Commercial ammo generally doesn't average above 58,000 psi, MIL-SPEC M855 ammo can peak at 64,70 psi, M855A1, allows for maximum pressures up to 66,000 psi. |
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Thank you Ron. I’ve spent down time over the past few days reading through here and it is a wealth of info. I really appreciate reading how you have leveraged your business to take care of veterans and have branched into lending your resources to spin up some of our special men and women. If I’m ever in the area I will have to check yall out, I got my fill of FA action in service but I do miss it sometimes. It’s just so nice doing so on Uncle Sugars dime  I’m also just happy to know there is such a popular FA range out there, it’s a real experience. Thank you again and may BFV have many many more successful years to come!
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Originally Posted By YoopSentry: Thank you Ron. I’ve spent down time over the past few days reading through here and it is a wealth of info. I really appreciate reading how you have leveraged your business to take care of veterans and have branched into lending your resources to spin up some of our special men and women. If I’m ever in the area I will have to check yall out, I got my fill of FA action in service but I do miss it sometimes. It’s just so nice doing so on Uncle Sugars dime I’m also just happy to know there is such a popular FA range out there, it’s a real experience. Thank you again and may BFV have many many more successful years to come!Thank you for the nice words.. I really do appreciate it. V/R Ron M Cheney |
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We've been really busy this year and I apologize for not keeping up with the thread.. though most questions have already been answered. One thing I can add to this thread is MY opinion on nitride barrels versus chrome-lined barrels. I've been told that nitride barrels should last longer than chrome-lines by people much smarter than me. What I can say, in MY experience, that is not the case. I recently had a manufacture send me a nitrided M249 para barrel. It only last about 20,000 rounds before it started keyholing. My guys quit keeping a specific round count on it about three weeks into it but within two months, I found it in the "dead parts" bin. It was tagged with "keyholing" and the date was approximately 5 weeks after being put into service. I made the manufacture aware of it and he said no worries because it was just an idea from a specific overseas purchaser. He said that they shelved the idea after discussion with the buyer. We just purchased ten of the Radical Defense M4's that were listed at $349 as retail price from one of their resellers. I know the barrels are nitrided and I don't think they will last any longer than every other nitrided barrel we've used on the line (Palmetto State Armory) but I couldn't pass on the price. We should be putting them online in the next week or so. Lastly, we tested a set of minigun barrels that were nitrided instead of chrome-lined from another manufacture and I think we only got about 75,000 rounds out of them before they started keyholing and excessive throat erosion. I believe he wanted to see how they would hold up compared to chrome-lined barrels. He really felt that they would last a long time but we have old GE and Garwood (CHF barrels made by FN) that had over 200,000 rounds before we had to pull them. Again, this is just our experience on the range. I am not against nitrided barrels because they have made the market more affordable to those that have a hard time spending a lot of money on another (or first) rifle. We still use Palmetto State barrels and in fact, we just ordered ten nitrided mid-length carbine uppers yesterday. We will definitely make get our moneys worth out of them. V/R Ron M Cheney |
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Originally Posted By HendersonDefense: We've been really busy this year and I apologize for not keeping up with the thread.. though most questions have already been answered. One thing I can add to this thread is MY opinion on nitride barrels versus chrome-lined barrels. I've been told that nitride barrels should last longer than chrome-lines by people much smarter than me. What I can say, in MY experience, that is not the case. I recently had a manufacture send me a nitrided M249 para barrel. It only last about 20,000 rounds before it started keyholing. My guys quit keeping a specific round count on it about three weeks into it but within two months, I found it in the "dead parts" bin. It was tagged with "keyholing" and the date was approximately 5 weeks after being put into service. I made the manufacture aware of it and he said no worries because it was just an idea from a specific overseas purchaser. He said that they shelved the idea after discussion with the buyer. We just purchased ten of the Radical Defense M4's that were listed at $349 as retail price from one of their resellers. I know the barrels are nitrided and I don't think they will last any longer than every other nitrided barrel we've used on the line (Palmetto State Armory) but I couldn't pass on the price. We should be putting them online in the next week or so. Lastly, we tested a set of minigun barrels that were nitrided instead of chrome-lined from another manufacture and I think we only got about 75,000 rounds out of them before they started keyholing and excessive throat erosion. I believe he wanted to see how they would hold up compared to chrome-lined barrels. He really felt that they would last a long time but we have old GE and Garwood (CHF barrels made by FN) that had over 200,000 rounds before we had to pull them. Again, this is just our experience on the range. I am not against nitrided barrels because they have made the market more affordable to those that have a hard time spending a lot of money on another (or first) rifle. We still use Palmetto State barrels and in fact, we just ordered ten nitrided mid-length carbine uppers yesterday. We will definitely make get our moneys worth out of them. V/R Ron M Cheney Thanks Ron, on the minigun barrels as an armorer for them down range, I was told that they have a 200,000 rd barrel life. CD |
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Iraq: 91,03,04,05,06,08,09,15,16,22’&23'
Afghanistan: 09,10,11',14',17',18',19',20'&21'
Iraq: 91,03,04,05,06,08,09,15,16,22’&23'
Afghanistan: 09,10,11',14',17',18',19',20'&21'
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver: Thanks Ron, on the minigun barrels as an armorer for them down range, I was told that they have a 200,000 rd barrel life. CD Originally Posted By Combat_Diver: Originally Posted By HendersonDefense: We've been really busy this year and I apologize for not keeping up with the thread.. though most questions have already been answered. One thing I can add to this thread is MY opinion on nitride barrels versus chrome-lined barrels. I've been told that nitride barrels should last longer than chrome-lines by people much smarter than me. What I can say, in MY experience, that is not the case. I recently had a manufacture send me a nitrided M249 para barrel. It only last about 20,000 rounds before it started keyholing. My guys quit keeping a specific round count on it about three weeks into it but within two months, I found it in the "dead parts" bin. It was tagged with "keyholing" and the date was approximately 5 weeks after being put into service. I made the manufacture aware of it and he said no worries because it was just an idea from a specific overseas purchaser. He said that they shelved the idea after discussion with the buyer. We just purchased ten of the Radical Defense M4's that were listed at $349 as retail price from one of their resellers. I know the barrels are nitrided and I don't think they will last any longer than every other nitrided barrel we've used on the line (Palmetto State Armory) but I couldn't pass on the price. We should be putting them online in the next week or so. Lastly, we tested a set of minigun barrels that were nitrided instead of chrome-lined from another manufacture and I think we only got about 75,000 rounds out of them before they started keyholing and excessive throat erosion. I believe he wanted to see how they would hold up compared to chrome-lined barrels. He really felt that they would last a long time but we have old GE and Garwood (CHF barrels made by FN) that had over 200,000 rounds before we had to pull them. Again, this is just our experience on the range. I am not against nitrided barrels because they have made the market more affordable to those that have a hard time spending a lot of money on another (or first) rifle. We still use Palmetto State barrels and in fact, we just ordered ten nitrided mid-length carbine uppers yesterday. We will definitely make get our moneys worth out of them. V/R Ron M Cheney Thanks Ron, on the minigun barrels as an armorer for them down range, I was told that they have a 200,000 rd barrel life. CD @Combat_Diver Curious about the details; Is that estimate for total round count for the weapon (i.e. 200,000/6 barrels = ~33,000 rounds per barrel), or 200,000rds per barrel = 1.2 million rounds before needing to swap all 6 barrels? |
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Originally Posted By HendersonDefense: One thing I can add to this thread is MY opinion on nitride barrels versus chrome-lined barrels. I've been told that nitride barrels should last longer than chrome-lines by people much smarter than me. What I can say, in MY experience, that is not the case. Seems to be pretty common knowledge- at least here- that chrome-lined is going to withstand heat build up during sustained fire better than nitriding. A decent nitrided barrel is going to tend to offer an edge in accuracy and resist corrosion better over the whole barrel. "Use the right tool for the right application" seems to fit here, and you were advised incorrectly for your range's application. Good to have a data point, though. |
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Originally Posted By HendersonDefense: We've been really busy this year and I apologize for not keeping up with the thread.. though most questions have already been answered. One thing I can add to this thread is MY opinion on nitride barrels versus chrome-lined barrels. I've been told that nitride barrels should last longer than chrome-lines by people much smarter than me. What I can say, in MY experience, that is not the case. I recently had a manufacture send me a nitrided M249 para barrel. It only last about 20,000 rounds before it started keyholing. My guys quit keeping a specific round count on it about three weeks into it but within two months, I found it in the "dead parts" bin. It was tagged with "keyholing" and the date was approximately 5 weeks after being put into service. I made the manufacture aware of it and he said no worries because it was just an idea from a specific overseas purchaser. He said that they shelved the idea after discussion with the buyer. We just purchased ten of the Radical Defense M4's that were listed at $349 as retail price from one of their resellers. I know the barrels are nitrided and I don't think they will last any longer than every other nitrided barrel we've used on the line (Palmetto State Armory) but I couldn't pass on the price. We should be putting them online in the next week or so. Lastly, we tested a set of minigun barrels that were nitrided instead of chrome-lined from another manufacture and I think we only got about 75,000 rounds out of them before they started keyholing and excessive throat erosion. I believe he wanted to see how they would hold up compared to chrome-lined barrels. He really felt that they would last a long time but we have old GE and Garwood (CHF barrels made by FN) that had over 200,000 rounds before we had to pull them. Again, this is just our experience on the range. I am not against nitrided barrels because they have made the market more affordable to those that have a hard time spending a lot of money on another (or first) rifle. We still use Palmetto State barrels and in fact, we just ordered ten nitrided mid-length carbine uppers yesterday. We will definitely make get our moneys worth out of them. V/R Ron M Cheney As a Colt guy myself, my last two uppers were PSA 10.5” CHF uppers, and they have been nothing short of fantastic |
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Originally Posted By bluemax_1: @Combat_Diver Curious about the details; Is that estimate for total round count for the weapon (i.e. 200,000/6 barrels = ~33,000 rounds per barrel), or 200,000rds per barrel = 1.2 million rounds before needing to swap all 6 barrels? Always curious about that too. Most machine barrels are 30,000 rds. I still have new unopened 1968 dated barrels (course newer production too). Do believe its 200,000 total per gun. Either way, barrels are gaged and swapped as needed. Usually as a set (6). |
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Iraq: 91,03,04,05,06,08,09,15,16,22’&23'
Afghanistan: 09,10,11',14',17',18',19',20'&21'
Iraq: 91,03,04,05,06,08,09,15,16,22’&23'
Afghanistan: 09,10,11',14',17',18',19',20'&21'
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver: Always curious about that too. Most machine barrels are 30,000 rds. I still have new unopened 1968 dated barrels (course newer production too). Do believe its 200,000 total per gun. Either way, barrels are gaged and swapped as needed. Usually as a set (6). Originally Posted By Combat_Diver: Originally Posted By bluemax_1: @Combat_Diver Curious about the details; Is that estimate for total round count for the weapon (i.e. 200,000/6 barrels = ~33,000 rounds per barrel), or 200,000rds per barrel = 1.2 million rounds before needing to swap all 6 barrels? Always curious about that too. Most machine barrels are 30,000 rds. I still have new unopened 1968 dated barrels (course newer production too). Do believe its 200,000 total per gun. Either way, barrels are gaged and swapped as needed. Usually as a set (6). Thanks! Always fascinating to hear this stuff from the guys doing the work. |
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Originally Posted By HendersonDefense: We've been really busy this year and I apologize for not keeping up with the thread.. though most questions have already been answered. One thing I can add to this thread is MY opinion on nitride barrels versus chrome-lined barrels. I've been told that nitride barrels should last longer than chrome-lines by people much smarter than me. What I can say, in MY experience, that is not the case. I recently had a manufacture send me a nitrided M249 para barrel. It only last about 20,000 rounds before it started keyholing. My guys quit keeping a specific round count on it about three weeks into it but within two months, I found it in the "dead parts" bin. It was tagged with "keyholing" and the date was approximately 5 weeks after being put into service. I made the manufacture aware of it and he said no worries because it was just an idea from a specific overseas purchaser. He said that they shelved the idea after discussion with the buyer. We just purchased ten of the Radical Defense M4's that were listed at $349 as retail price from one of their resellers. I know the barrels are nitrided and I don't think they will last any longer than every other nitrided barrel we've used on the line (Palmetto State Armory) but I couldn't pass on the price. We should be putting them online in the next week or so. Lastly, we tested a set of minigun barrels that were nitrided instead of chrome-lined from another manufacture and I think we only got about 75,000 rounds out of them before they started keyholing and excessive throat erosion. I believe he wanted to see how they would hold up compared to chrome-lined barrels. He really felt that they would last a long time but we have old GE and Garwood (CHF barrels made by FN) that had over 200,000 rounds before we had to pull them. Again, this is just our experience on the range. I am not against nitrided barrels because they have made the market more affordable to those that have a hard time spending a lot of money on another (or first) rifle. We still use Palmetto State barrels and in fact, we just ordered ten nitrided mid-length carbine uppers yesterday. We will definitely make get our moneys worth out of them. V/R Ron M Cheney Awesome information as usual. Thanks! |
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Hey Ron, Greatly appreciate your work here. You have been a huge help to consumers. Your information is invaluable to a young gun enthusiast like myself. I would be fascinated to know if you use any of the new model Colt ar15s. If you do l, how do the newer Colts hold up? I have heard a lot of individuals bashing on the new Colt ar15s and would appreciate your valuable experience. Thank you, John |
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@HendersonDefense Maybe it's just me, but I actually think that a nitrided M249 barrel going for 20k rounds doesn't sound like a bad thing. I assume that the M249 rentals were basically full auto all the time. IMHO, it sounds like the nitrided barrels should still last quite long time on semi-auto AR15s. Even a AR15 heavy firing schedule won't be as rough on a barrel as the M249. Just as point of reference, do you mind telling us roughly how many rounds the chrome lined M249 barrels go before keyholing? Thanks again for sharing! |
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Originally Posted By Yojimbo: @HendersonDefense Maybe it's just me, but I actually think that a nitrided M249 barrel going for 20k rounds doesn't sound like a bad thing. I assume that the M249 rentals were basically full auto all the time. IMHO, it sounds like the nitrided barrels should still last quite long time on semi-auto AR15s. Even a AR15 heavy firing schedule won't be as rough on a barrel as the M249. At 20k rounds, a new AR barrel is an almost negligible expense for a civilian shooter compared to the ammo expended, especially considering nitride's other benefits. Pretty impressive. |
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Originally Posted By Yojimbo: @HendersonDefense Maybe it's just me, but I actually think that a nitrided M249 barrel going for 20k rounds doesn't sound like a bad thing. I assume that the M249 rentals were basically full auto all the time. IMHO, it sounds like the nitrided barrels should still last quite long time on semi-auto AR15s. Even a AR15 heavy firing schedule won't be as rough on a barrel as the M249. Just as point of reference, do you mind telling us roughly how many rounds the chrome lined M249 barrels go before keyholing? Thanks again for sharing! We can hit almost a year (9-11 months) with our chrome-lined FN barrels as compared to the nitrided ones that were given to us. It takes a LOT for those to start keyholing. In fact, we recently had another manufacture come by Battlefield and purchase our used barrels. He's going to use the components for a .300 black out conversion he's made. I think we had about 20 of them laying in the pile and if I remember correctly, about 20% or slight less, had cracked barrel extensions. That amazed really amazed me at how well they held up. That's a LOT of shooting they still weren't keyholing, just a crack in the extension, so they pulled them from the line. The 249 is the most overworked belt-fed on the line. We've had to come up with solutions to keep them running because of the lack of spare parts available to the civilian market, until another manufacturer helped us out. The one thing that WILL NOT LAST on your 249 is the gas tube. Our solutions was to order some titanium tubing and modify the original tube. We cut off a majority the old stamped portion of the tube and sleeve over it with the titanium tube. We turn the tube down a bit on the lathe so it fits properly but they last a LONG time. The other thing that will cause you headaches are the extractor springs. I've told my boys to always keep an extractor spring in your pocket every time you're out in the field. I've got two boys who are Infantry Officers who've seen them fall apart over the years before they joined and they know how to keep them running. It's funny when I got a call from one of them.. "Hey dad.. we had an OOB in the fifty. I checked headspace and timed it myself because they said it was good but I wanted to confirm. It was the second to last round in three cans that we had to burn off quick. Do you think it was just from hot chamber that expanded and it was a just weak case that separated?" I thought.. damn boy, you know the procedure and I guess you learned a lot while working through the high school and college. So, I couldn't begin to imagine how many rounds each 249 barrel gets each month but we are busier than ever before so it's got to be a ridiculous number. V/R Ron |
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Originally Posted By HendersonDefense: We can hit almost a year (9-11 months) with our chrome-lined FN barrels as compared to the nitrided ones that were given to us. It takes a LOT for those to start keyholing. In fact, we recently had another manufacture come by Battlefield and purchase our used barrels. He's going to use the components for a .300 black out conversion he's made. I think we had about 20 of them laying in the pile and if I remember correctly, about 20% or slight less, had cracked barrel extensions. That amazed really amazed me at how well they held up. That's a LOT of shooting they still weren't keyholing, just a crack in the extension, so they pulled them from the line. The 249 is the most overworked belt-fed on the line. We've had to come up with solutions to keep them running because of the lack of spare parts available to the civilian market, until another manufacturer helped us out. The one thing that WILL NOT LAST on your 249 is the gas tube. Our solutions was to order some titanium tubing and modify the original tube. We cut off a majority the old stamped portion of the tube and sleeve over it with the titanium tube. We turn the tube down a bit on the lathe so it fits properly but they last a LONG time. The other thing that will cause you headaches are the extractor springs. I've told my boys to always keep an extractor spring in your pocket every time you're out in the field. I've got two boys who are Infantry Officers who've seen them fall apart over the years before they joined and they know how to keep them running. It's funny when I got a call from one of them.. "Hey dad.. we had an OOB in the fifty. I checked headspace and timed it myself because they said it was good but I wanted to confirm. It was the second to last round in three cans that we had to burn off quick. Do you think it was just from hot chamber that expanded and it was a just weak case that separated?" I thought.. damn boy, you know the procedure and I guess you learned a lot while working through the high school and college. So, I couldn't begin to imagine how many rounds each 249 barrel gets each month but we are busier than ever before so it's got to be a ridiculous number. V/R Ron I wonder how many people come in scared and typically disliking of guns and leave with a new outlook. Even if it’s only a few here and there you’re more than just a business! I’d sure like to trade my business problems for yours though. 
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Ron, I just wanted to say thanks for running a great outfit. We had a family trip through Vegas last year, and my 17 year old son, who shoots on a team and learned to drive on a Razor with night vision goggles, asked if he could shoot a minigun while in Vegas since he couldn’t gamble. I told him I know a place. I reserved your minigun and used your a la cart menu to select a bunch of guns I knew he would enjoy. The experience was awesome and he was smiling the whole time. Thanks again! Attached File |
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Originally Posted By YukonBoy03: Anyone reading, did Ron ever give a P-Mag review since the old ones in 2015? I think magazine data would be an awesome addition. I do wonder how hard that would be to scientifically track though. I bet they have a pile of mags the size of a house. 
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Hi Ron, Have you and your armorers noticed a difference in long term durability/reliability in guns that are direct blowback vs roller delayed blowback? Which requires less maintenance and lasts longer? Gun safe vs locked steel lockers for gun storage in homes? Which do you prefer to stop thieves? |
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Originally Posted By 9mmstephen: They had a fire. https://www.fox5vegas.com/2025/07/10/clark-county-fire-responding-2-alarm-fire-near-circus-circus/ That is terrible. I hope insurance can rebuild and keep the business going. |
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Originally Posted By imdBman: That is terrible. I hope insurance can rebuild and keep the business going. Originally Posted By imdBman: Originally Posted By 9mmstephen: They had a fire. https://www.fox5vegas.com/2025/07/10/clark-county-fire-responding-2-alarm-fire-near-circus-circus/ That is terrible. I hope insurance can rebuild and keep the business going. Damn! That sucks! Hope everyone’s OK, and the insurance gets them back up and running quickly. |
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