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Posted: 4/1/2015 4:11:45 PM EDT
| The local Gebo's is running a $499 special on the Diamondback AR15. Curious as to whether it's a good entry AR15 to recommend. |
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I have not heard much good out of their quality. My friend has one that he paid around $850 for and it feels like an airsoft gun. If you want a good intro AR that isn't expensive, Core 15 has a build it yourself AR kit for around $530 at the most. But for $499, you cannot really expect a lot. If you are not running the mess out of it, then it might be okay to go with.
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PSA CHF Middy-310
PSA Premium BCG and CH 100 PSA classic Blem complete lower - 129 539+ FFl(say 40) plus rear sight, say 50 for magpul mbus thats 640 for a much much better rifle Lower Upper...not even a great price(usually 280-300) BCH/CH(not prem BCG...but wait a week lol) |
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I have a DB-15 and I believe it's a fine mid level AR. I'm not sure what model you a speaking of but I would rather have a db-15 than a plastic M&P or DPMS. And another thing, they are not owned by Taurus. Taurus worked with them for distribution. Here's the model I speak of:
http://www.diamondbackfirearms.com/product?id=25 |
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PSA has them for $450 right now. Actually, they don't. I meant PSA ARs, not diamondback. if you buy the lower and upper separately you end up with $458 or such. The whole blem lower half is 129, you choose your upper. |
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The local Gebo's is running a $499 special on the Diamondback AR15. Curious as to whether it's a good entry AR15 to recommend. Looks like as good an entry-level AR as any. Specs seem fine on their site - 4140 Chromoly barrel and 8620 carrier, MPI, and 7075 receivers. Easily on par with whatever PSA is putting out. MSRPs are over a grand. For $500, I'd grab it. |
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Plastic handguard 
The link of mine I posted has a quadrail that's aluminum. I wasn't talking to you, hence why I didn't quote you. In any case, a plastic handguard is standard fare for base/entry level AR's. The AR you linked to is not what I would call base/entry level, as it has a FF handguard. I'd also be willing to bet you spent more than $500 on that rifle. I'm not even quite sure why you have such an aversion to plastic anyway, considering there are a number of parts on the rifle you linked that are made of plastic anyway. Not to even mention the fact that "plastic handguards" have been in use on military M4's and M16's (more so in the past, less so now) for the past 40+ years without much issue. |
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I wasn't talking to you, hence why I didn't quote you. In any case, a plastic handguard is standard fare for base/entry level AR's. The AR you linked to is not what I would call base/entry level, as it has a FF handguard. I'd also be willing to bet you spent more than $500 on that rifle. I'm not even quite sure why you have such an aversion to plastic anyway, considering there are a number of parts on the rifle you linked that are made of plastic anyway. Not to even mention the fact that "plastic handguards" have been in use on military M4's and M16's (more so in the past, less so now) for the past 40+ years without much issue. Quoted:
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Plastic handguard
The link of mine I posted has a quadrail that's aluminum. I wasn't talking to you, hence why I didn't quote you. In any case, a plastic handguard is standard fare for base/entry level AR's. The AR you linked to is not what I would call base/entry level, as it has a FF handguard. I'd also be willing to bet you spent more than $500 on that rifle. I'm not even quite sure why you have such an aversion to plastic anyway, considering there are a number of parts on the rifle you linked that are made of plastic anyway. Not to even mention the fact that "plastic handguards" have been in use on military M4's and M16's (more so in the past, less so now) for the past 40+ years without much issue. My post above was the one that started the M&P plastic topic. And I did pay more than $500 but not much more. Most people under 40 put quadrails on their AR's so having a free floating quad is a plus to me. |
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I didnt the mp sport was plastic What is plastic on the M&P sport that isn't on every other base level AR? It was a typo i meant to say i didnt know it was plastic because the poster a few above said it was |
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You dont need an "entry" level ar. Buy a psa, or a bcm upper and slap it on a Anderson lower. There are a several good brands out there that will last the average Joe a lifetime. Don't waste your money settling when you could have spent a couple of hundred more and have a damn good ar.
Just my .02 |
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You dont need an "entry" level ar. Buy a psa, or a bcm upper and slap it on a Anderson lower. There are a several good brands out there that will last the average Joe a lifetime. Don't waste your money settling when you could have spent a couple of hundred more and have a damn good ar. Just my .02 Yep. This is solid advice. I've seen enough on this forum alone to steer me away from DB ARs, especially when you can have one leaps and bounds better for not a whole lot more |
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My post above was the one that started the M&P plastic topic. And I did pay more than $500 but not much more. Most people under 40 put quadrails on their AR's so having a free floating quad is a plus to me. Quoted:
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Plastic handguard
The link of mine I posted has a quadrail that's aluminum. I wasn't talking to you, hence why I didn't quote you. In any case, a plastic handguard is standard fare for base/entry level AR's. The AR you linked to is not what I would call base/entry level, as it has a FF handguard. I'd also be willing to bet you spent more than $500 on that rifle. I'm not even quite sure why you have such an aversion to plastic anyway, considering there are a number of parts on the rifle you linked that are made of plastic anyway. Not to even mention the fact that "plastic handguards" have been in use on military M4's and M16's (more so in the past, less so now) for the past 40+ years without much issue. My post above was the one that started the M&P plastic topic. And I did pay more than $500 but not much more. Most people under 40 put quadrails on their AR's so having a free floating quad is a plus to me. Who makes the rail on yours? |
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Diamondback is a low level, economy grade AR. Not "mid level" as someone has claimed. But whatever, that post was full of issues.
You get what you pay for. If you just want something that'll work enough for the range, I'd get a PSA, not even a DB for that. I've just heard of too many issues (on here) with issues with ALL their guns in general. |
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I have a DB-15 and I believe it's a fine mid level AR. I'm not sure what model you a speaking of but I would rather have a db-15 than a plastic M&P or DPMS. And another thing, they are not owned by Taurus. Taurus worked with them for distribution. Here's the model I speak of: http://www.diamondbackfirearms.com/product?id=25 The specs don't scream much difference over a DPMS. In fact, DPMS does have 4150 barrels IIRC, on some models. S&W definitely does. Not sure about the Sport, but at least you get a milspec RE, and no ATI stock PRODUCT SPECS: Model: DB-15 FDE Caliber: 5.56 NATO / .223 Remington Finish: Diamondback Flat Dark Earth Barrel: 16" 4140 Chrome-Moly, M4 Contour, Free Float Barrel Twist Rate: 1 x 9 Bolt Carrier: Shot-Peened, Magnetic Particle Inspected Mil Spec 8620 carrier Lower Receiver: Forged 7075 T6 Aluminium Upper Receiver: A3 Flattop Forged 7075 T6 Aluminum, T-Marked Handguard: Diamondback Aluminum Modified Four Rail Pistol Grip: A2 Style Stock: ATI Strikeforce Stock with Aluminum Civilian (Commercial) Buffer Tube Assembly Weight: 6.65 lbs. Overall Length (Stock Collapsed): 32.5" Overal Length (Stock Expanded): 36.25" Flash Hider: A2 Sights: No Sights |
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The specs don't scream much difference over a DPMS. In fact, DPMS does have 4150 barrels IIRC, on some models. S&W definitely does. Not sure about the Sport, but at least you get a milspec RE, and no ATI stock PRODUCT SPECS: Model: DB-15 FDE Caliber: 5.56 NATO / .223 Remington Finish: Diamondback Flat Dark Earth Barrel: 16" 4140 Chrome-Moly, M4 Contour, Free Float Barrel Twist Rate: 1 x 9 Bolt Carrier: Shot-Peened, Magnetic Particle Inspected Mil Spec 8620 carrier Lower Receiver: Forged 7075 T6 Aluminium Upper Receiver: A3 Flattop Forged 7075 T6 Aluminum, T-Marked Handguard: Diamondback Aluminum Modified Four Rail Pistol Grip: A2 Style Stock: ATI Strikeforce Stock with Aluminum Civilian (Commercial) Buffer Tube Assembly Weight: 6.65 lbs. Overall Length (Stock Collapsed): 32.5" Overal Length (Stock Expanded): 36.25" Flash Hider: A2 Sights: No Sights Quoted:
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I have a DB-15 and I believe it's a fine mid level AR. I'm not sure what model you a speaking of but I would rather have a db-15 than a plastic M&P or DPMS. And another thing, they are not owned by Taurus. Taurus worked with them for distribution. Here's the model I speak of: http://www.diamondbackfirearms.com/product?id=25 The specs don't scream much difference over a DPMS. In fact, DPMS does have 4150 barrels IIRC, on some models. S&W definitely does. Not sure about the Sport, but at least you get a milspec RE, and no ATI stock PRODUCT SPECS: Model: DB-15 FDE Caliber: 5.56 NATO / .223 Remington Finish: Diamondback Flat Dark Earth Barrel: 16" 4140 Chrome-Moly, M4 Contour, Free Float Barrel Twist Rate: 1 x 9 Bolt Carrier: Shot-Peened, Magnetic Particle Inspected Mil Spec 8620 carrier Lower Receiver: Forged 7075 T6 Aluminium Upper Receiver: A3 Flattop Forged 7075 T6 Aluminum, T-Marked Handguard: Diamondback Aluminum Modified Four Rail Pistol Grip: A2 Style Stock: ATI Strikeforce Stock with Aluminum Civilian (Commercial) Buffer Tube Assembly Weight: 6.65 lbs. Overall Length (Stock Collapsed): 32.5" Overal Length (Stock Expanded): 36.25" Flash Hider: A2 Sights: No Sights So now your going to tell me there's a HUGE difference between 4140 and 4150 barrels? I'm probably the only one that's posted here that's owned or shot a Diamondback AR. If it's not a Colt it's not quality right? Most of the time the only people that complain online is the one's that make an issue out of something. Face it, $499 for an AR that OP doesn't have to pay shipping for or a transfer fee isn't a bad price. |
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My post above was the one that started the M&P plastic topic. And I did pay more than $500 but not much more. Most people under 40 put quadrails on their AR's so having a free floating quad is a plus to me. Quoted:
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Plastic handguard
The link of mine I posted has a quadrail that's aluminum. I wasn't talking to you, hence why I didn't quote you. In any case, a plastic handguard is standard fare for base/entry level AR's. The AR you linked to is not what I would call base/entry level, as it has a FF handguard. I'd also be willing to bet you spent more than $500 on that rifle. I'm not even quite sure why you have such an aversion to plastic anyway, considering there are a number of parts on the rifle you linked that are made of plastic anyway. Not to even mention the fact that "plastic handguards" have been in use on military M4's and M16's (more so in the past, less so now) for the past 40+ years without much issue. My post above was the one that started the M&P plastic topic. And I did pay more than $500 but not much more. Most people under 40 put quadrails on their AR's so having a free floating quad is a plus to me. What does that even mean? |
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So now your going to tell me there's a HUGE difference between 4140 and 4150 barrels? I'm probably the only one that's posted here that's owned or shot a Diamondback AR. If it's not a Colt it's not quality right? Most of the time the only people that complain online is the one's that make an issue out of something. Face it, $499 for an AR that OP doesn't have to pay shipping for or a transfer fee isn't a bad price. Quoted:
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I have a DB-15 and I believe it's a fine mid level AR. I'm not sure what model you a speaking of but I would rather have a db-15 than a plastic M&P or DPMS. And another thing, they are not owned by Taurus. Taurus worked with them for distribution. Here's the model I speak of: http://www.diamondbackfirearms.com/product?id=25 The specs don't scream much difference over a DPMS. In fact, DPMS does have 4150 barrels IIRC, on some models. S&W definitely does. Not sure about the Sport, but at least you get a milspec RE, and no ATI stock PRODUCT SPECS: Model: DB-15 FDE Caliber: 5.56 NATO / .223 Remington Finish: Diamondback Flat Dark Earth Barrel: 16" 4140 Chrome-Moly, M4 Contour, Free Float Barrel Twist Rate: 1 x 9 Bolt Carrier: Shot-Peened, Magnetic Particle Inspected Mil Spec 8620 carrier Lower Receiver: Forged 7075 T6 Aluminium Upper Receiver: A3 Flattop Forged 7075 T6 Aluminum, T-Marked Handguard: Diamondback Aluminum Modified Four Rail Pistol Grip: A2 Style Stock: ATI Strikeforce Stock with Aluminum Civilian (Commercial) Buffer Tube Assembly Weight: 6.65 lbs. Overall Length (Stock Collapsed): 32.5" Overal Length (Stock Expanded): 36.25" Flash Hider: A2 Sights: No Sights So now your going to tell me there's a HUGE difference between 4140 and 4150 barrels? I'm probably the only one that's posted here that's owned or shot a Diamondback AR. If it's not a Colt it's not quality right? Most of the time the only people that complain online is the one's that make an issue out of something. Face it, $499 for an AR that OP doesn't have to pay shipping for or a transfer fee isn't a bad price. My Stag has a 4140 barrel and it's great. A rifle can have all the best specs but if it doesn't have the QC to back them up, the specs don't matter |
| I'm aware of a reputable manufacturer that got a large (5000) shipment of lowers from a new supplier. MOST were out of spec. and were rejected. The supplier tried to argue that they were fine because Diamondback also received a shipment from the same lot, and they had no complaints! This is a great lesson: even though multiple builders may buy from the same source, QC weeds out the slop. I would never buy a DB. If you have one that works, and you're happy with it, great. That doesn't mean they should be recommended to a new buyer that doesn't know what to look out for. In my book, DB is at the bottom of the barrel. |
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I'm aware of a reputable manufacturer that got a large (5000) shipment of lowers from a new supplier. MOST were out of spec. and were rejected. The supplier tried to argue that they were fine because Diamondback also received a shipment from the same lot, and they had no complaints! This is a great lesson: even though multiple builders may buy from the same source, QC weeds out the slop. I would never buy a DB. If you have one that works, and you're happy with it, great. That doesn't mean they should be recommended to a new buyer that doesn't know what to look out for. In my book, DB is at the bottom of the barrel. So could you post some of the negitive reviews? I recall Diamondback selling a ton of lowers for super cheap several months ago. Who knows if they contracted some else to make those because the response was over whelming. |
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So now your going to tell me there's a HUGE difference between 4140 and 4150 barrels? I'm probably the only one that's posted here that's owned or shot a Diamondback AR. If it's not a Colt it's not quality right? Most of the time the only people that complain online is the one's that make an issue out of something. Face it, $499 for an AR that OP doesn't have to pay shipping for or a transfer fee isn't a bad price. 
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So could you post some of the negitive reviews? I recall Diamondback selling a ton of lowers for super cheap several months ago. Who knows if they contracted some else to make those because the response was over whelming. Quoted:
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I'm aware of a reputable manufacturer that got a large (5000) shipment of lowers from a new supplier. MOST were out of spec. and were rejected. The supplier tried to argue that they were fine because Diamondback also received a shipment from the same lot, and they had no complaints! This is a great lesson: even though multiple builders may buy from the same source, QC weeds out the slop. I would never buy a DB. If you have one that works, and you're happy with it, great. That doesn't mean they should be recommended to a new buyer that doesn't know what to look out for. In my book, DB is at the bottom of the barrel. So could you post some of the negitive reviews? I recall Diamondback selling a ton of lowers for super cheap several months ago. Who knows if they contracted some else to make those because the response was over whelming. I'd be willing to bet they don't make their own recievers. Most AR companies don't including Colt. As far as negative reviews go, here's one which comments on the machining and their customer service. They are also now owned by Taurus who are notorious for putting out crap http://www.defensivecarry.com/forum/defensive-rifles-shotgun-discussion/160720-avoid-diamondback-db-15-a.html |
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Yea, I searched for Diamondback DB 15 review and that was the only thread with any negitive comments. Great job finding it!
As I stated before: Taurus just distributes Diamondbacks products. http://www.taurususa.com/news-detail.cfm?newsID=50 Diamondback Family of Companies is an independently owned and operated limited liability entity. |
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Yea, I searched for Diamondback DB 15 review and that was the only thread with any negitive comments. Great job finding it! As I stated before: Taurus just distributes Diamondbacks products. http://www.taurususa.com/news-detail.cfm?newsID=50 Diamondback Family of Companies is an independently owned and operated limited liability entity. I found a couple negative reviews on this site too. Look man, if you're happy great. No idea why you're defending an inanimate object so hard |
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