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3/5/2015 12:45:34 AM EDT
For those that do not know, Roger Wang formerly of Battle Arms Development has since left and started Forward Controls, his new company. One of their new products will be a upgraded version of the bolt catch. The both catch came from the known shortcomings of the factory bolt catch. Specifically the the factory bolt catch's tiny boot heel like lower paddle. Personally I also find this to be an issue with most aftermarket bolt catches as well. The bolt catch from Forward Controls will feature an enlarged top paddle that also has a more aggressive cant and texture enabling the bolt catch to be disengaged much easier. Here are some pictures of Forward Controls new Bolt Catch. The ones pictured are in white, the finished ones will be deburred, tumbled, and melonited with a black finish. As I get more information I will update.

3/5/2015 12:55:51 AM EDT
[#1]
Nice, when will they be avaailable?
3/5/2015 2:32:56 AM EDT
[#2]
not sure how this is any different then the Seekins bolt catches I use.
3/5/2015 3:38:42 AM EDT
[#3]
I really don't mind the original bolt catch / release. Not sure I need this.
3/5/2015 3:59:07 AM EDT
[#4]
no matter catch size when I rload and use the palm of my hand to slap the catch it closes pretty quick and disengages pretty quick
3/5/2015 4:21:06 AM EDT
[#5]
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I really don't mind the original bolt catch / release. Not sure I need this.
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This.  Nothing wrong with new ideas, though.
3/5/2015 4:26:42 AM EDT
[#6]
This may be somewhat useful to us lefties,  I always upgrade mine anyway.
3/5/2015 8:55:06 AM EDT
[#7]
Looks good! I always use either a BAD or Tactical Link bolt release lever though so it's not something Id buy BUT if I were going for a bolt catch lever by itself I can imagine the extra size would be a big help.

Looking forward to seeing one finished up..
3/5/2015 10:14:44 AM EDT
[#8]
As long as he isn't going to ask $39.95 plus for it, I would be willing to give one or six a good run!!!!  
3/5/2015 10:20:02 AM EDT
[#9]
Each corner on the paddle is different, which makes it look homemade.
3/5/2015 10:31:30 AM EDT
[#10]
I'm partial to ArmaLite's iteration.

3/5/2015 10:31:41 AM EDT
[#11]
What does this bring to the table in comparison to this?




Edit: 86HMMWV beat me by 11 seconds!
3/5/2015 10:37:58 AM EDT
[#12]
Looks cool..but honestly I have never had a problem operating the stock bolt release. I bought the Seekins  version and it didn't work any better but it does look better on my Seekins lower.
3/5/2015 11:38:53 AM EDT
[#13]
Gents, the name of the product is ABC/R (Augmented Bolt Catch/Release)

It came from my dissatisfaction with factory bolt catch’s tiny, boot heel like lower paddle.  I’ve always deemed the top paddle to be of sufficient size, it’s the lower paddle the factory bolt catch, and most aftermarket bolt catches for that matter, fall short.

This shortcoming is amplified when there is a Norgon Ambi-Catch in place.  The Ambi-catch places its release paddle on the same vertical plane as the factory bolt catch bottom paddle, making the  bolt catch’s lower paddle even harder to use. With a gloved hand, it’s virtually impossible to tell them apart by feel.

The ABC/R has an enlarged top paddle, the lower 50% of the top paddle is angled at 5 degree, the upper 50% is angled at 10 degree.  The combined effect is the top paddle is easier to use, not solely based on its larger size, but because its angles.  When the bolt carrier is locked back, the canted top paddle is much easier for the palm or thumb to access.

The lower paddle of the ABC/R is canted at 10 degree.  With or without a Norgon Ambi-catch in place, accessibility has been vastly improved. The IBC/R’s angled lower paddle is on a separate vertical plane than the Ambi-Catch, making identification far more intuitive, both visually and by feel.

The notch immediately above the ABC/R’s lower paddle isn’t there by accident.  As you run your finger down the bolt catch towards the lower paddle, the notch is meant to give you tactile feedback “the top portion of the bolt catch is ending, you’re about to approach the lower paddle”

The lightening cuts on the ABC/R are there to make its weight as close to the factory weight as possible (0.445oz vs. 0.401oz), the ABC/R isn’t meant to be a lightweight component.

Please ignore the tool marks and imperfections you see in these pictures, they're prototypes.  The ABC/R is machined from 17-4 stainless steel bar stock, and Melonite coated black.  There will be uncoated, in the white (stainless steel) units as well.

ABC/R at rest


ABC/R engaged, empty magazine inserted, bolt carrier locked back


ABC/R on a VLTOR MUR


I wanted the ABC/R's dimensions, save for the top paddle, bottom paddle, and the notch above the bottom paddle to closely follow established factory specs.  The top paddle is wider, but slightly shorter than the factory bolt catch, though the ABC/R's serrations extend well below the top paddle.





3/5/2015 11:46:42 AM EDT
[#14]
Shown here is the notch immediately above the bottom paddle.

The notch serves to provide tactile feedback to the user "you are about to approach the bottom paddle"  For ambi mag catches that have a higher profile release pad, where the ABC/R's bottom paddle protrudes but a little, such as High Velocity Arms ambi mag catch, the notch is a good starting point for the finger.  Place your finger in the notch and press down from there

3/5/2015 11:49:46 AM EDT
[#15]
This is pushing close to the advertising line. Please remember the rules covering ads here.
3/5/2015 11:54:51 AM EDT
[#16]
Thanks, I'll be contacting Ed for a dealer membership very soon (like today or tomorrow)
3/5/2015 11:59:01 AM EDT
[#17]
Nice.

Any issues with Seekins Precision on that design?


3/5/2015 12:00:31 PM EDT
[#18]
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Thanks, I'll be contacting Ed for a dealer membership very soon (like today or tomorrow)
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Heh.  Let us know if you get a straight answer.

The response I received once was a long winded version of: "well how much money do you make and what kind of volume do you do?"
3/5/2015 12:03:47 PM EDT
[#19]
Please contact [email protected] for all the info.




3/5/2015 12:07:19 PM EDT
[#20]
Ed and I go back a few years from my time at Battle Arms, I'll be happy to be a paying dealer member here again
3/5/2015 1:07:36 PM EDT
[#21]
Is this what is on the OIP rifle Lw Rifle?
3/5/2015 4:10:14 PM EDT
[#22]
I will go into more details in the company forum when the dealer account is set up
3/5/2015 6:05:03 PM EDT
[#23]
3/5/2015 7:25:37 PM EDT
[#24]
Any insight on why the corners are all different?
3/5/2015 7:47:14 PM EDT
[#25]
Will the finished product be different from the pictures?  The top paddle looks a little funny with the different cuts of the corners and there are a lot of tooling marks on it.  Don't take it as bashing, just my opinion.
3/5/2015 7:59:58 PM EDT
[#26]
Looks good roger. Looking forward to it. Some of us like something different. Bored of the same ol.
3/6/2015 11:35:01 AM EDT
[#27]
Gents, the pictures are from two prototype units overnighted to me for approval, they have tool marks and some pitting that the shipping units will not have, I would have rejected them for less.

Re: BAD's bolt catch for the OIP, if you guys recall and for those that know me,  I was a Battle Arms Dev. partner, the bolt catch, as well as the mag release button, were some of the projects we both worked on.  Both BAD and my new company are making our own versions of the mag release button and bolt catch, they will share similarities because they came from the same minds.  BAD and my company have an agreement and understanding that these two will be made by both, with similarities.

Before anyone asks, things are great between BAD and me, it was time to move on.  There are better opportunities with us in separate companies, as events will prove, and with the end users being the ultimate winner

BAD is going a different direction with their bolt catch.  There were different opinions on how it would look and function even back when I was still there.  Upon my departure, I pursued the angles and paddle shape I liked better, and here you are seeing pictures of it

Ed and I have already communicated about the new company's dealer account, which should be finalized today or tomorrow.  Let's take the discussions over there when the company forum is set up in the Industry section
3/6/2015 12:08:16 PM EDT
[#28]
Duffy,
Thanks for clearing this all up. Any idea when it might be available? Are you looking for any BETA Testers?  Either way, if the price is right I would be willing to give one or four a run and give any honest review.  Any idea on rough price point?
Thanks
NCH
3/6/2015 12:22:06 PM EDT
[#29]
Gents, I don't want to abuse the leeway site staff has given me, so I would like to take this to the new company forum in Industry when it's ready.  Meanwhile, I will reply to your question in IM
3/12/2015 8:12:05 PM EDT
[#30]
Duffy thanks for chiming in.  Sorry for the delay everybody in answering I just got home from a Snowboarding Trip and did not mean to leave you hanging I apologize if it seemed that I was advertising, not the case I searched the forum to see if a thread already existed and when I saw that it did not I asked my buddy permission and posted what little info I had on it.

I was at the range a few weeks ago and was running timed drills that included two reloads while shooting at 3 targets. I wear gloves 90 % of the time and even when slapping the bolt release with my palm I tend to miss and add precious time to my drills. To some I now can relate to this and if it saves me time I am in tho at least try it. It is cold as hell where I live currently and I feel I miss the bolt catch even more when my hands are frozen so in theory the added cant and diameter of the bolt catch paddle will assist in disengagement in this situation also.  

I rock the Seekin's bolt catch currently like many others but on some billet lowers I have noticed some play in the catch and on one of my builds I had trouble with the bolt locking back on an empty mag. I dunno though it may be the lower although I doubt it as everything measured to be in spec. I also think that pattern or texturing on the Seekins catch could be more aggressive for grip / engagement but as I said I currently rock them and like them.


Full disclosure: I am not in anyway benefiting from posting about this product nor am I affiliated with Forward Controls just a friend that believes in the idea and wanted to share with the AR public.

3/20/2015 8:04:15 PM EDT
[#31]
A bit of play will be inevitable with various lowers, while there may be some play with a few lowers, the same bolt catch can be too tight on others, such is the reality with forged lowers, and that not everyone uses the same dimensions as they should.

With billet lowers, this can be made exactly as the manufacturer desires.  A bit of play isn't detrimental, you can even argue that a loose tolerance is less prone to jams, in the same way that a super tight match 1911 may not be as good a battle field weapon as a Glock where you can see daylight between the slide and receiver
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