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Posted: 2/11/2015 12:55:08 PM EDT
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Hey guys, new to the forum and new to the AR platform. Recently completed my build with a Geissele SSA-E trigger group. Had a few issues getting it into my lower, and ended up using a small tap hammer to push the slave pin out and the trigger pin in, and also had a rough time initially getting the trigger pin out and pushing the slave pin through. Anyways, I got a little rough with the trigger trying to get the trigger pin out initially and then getting it back in later. Now that I got the trigger in, the take-up seems slightly less smooth than what I had remembered the SSA-E feeling like and I'm wondering if I could have f'd something up while removing one of the pins or putting them in? How durable are these things? The second stage still breaks like an icicle...
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You're not using KNS anti-rotation pins, are you? Tell us more about the problems you had getting it into the lower receiver. Thanks for your responses.....I'm using the stock Geissele pins that the trigger came with. The main problem I suffered with the trigger itself was getting the trigger pin out initially, and then getting the slave pin out when I wanted to put the trigger pin back in. This process took some "persuasion" with a punch and a small hammer tapping the punch. Then I struggled to get the hammer aligned with the holes in the lower receiver so that I could push the hammer pin through. I ended up, again, using a small hammer to tap the hammer pin through, but much of the "tapping" must have been done when the holes were not aligned because many times I would tap and the pin wouldn't move at all into the hole. I wasn't tapping hard so I would find it hard to believe I did any damage to the structure of the trigger but I just wanted some more informed input on whether or not I could have possibly damaged something. |
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Quoted: Thanks for your responses.....I'm using the stock Geissele pins that the trigger came with. The main problem I suffered with the trigger itself was getting the trigger pin out initially, and then getting the slave pin out when I wanted to put the trigger pin back in. This process took some "persuasion" with a punch and a small hammer tapping the punch. Then I struggled to get the hammer aligned with the holes in the lower receiver so that I could push the hammer pin through. I ended up, again, using a small hammer to tap the hammer pin through, but much of the "tapping" must have been done when the holes were not aligned because many times I would tap and the pin wouldn't move at all into the hole. I wasn't tapping hard so I would find it hard to believe I did any damage to the structure of the trigger but I just wanted some more informed input on whether or not I could have possibly damaged something. Quoted: Quoted: You're not using KNS anti-rotation pins, are you? Tell us more about the problems you had getting it into the lower receiver. Thanks for your responses.....I'm using the stock Geissele pins that the trigger came with. The main problem I suffered with the trigger itself was getting the trigger pin out initially, and then getting the slave pin out when I wanted to put the trigger pin back in. This process took some "persuasion" with a punch and a small hammer tapping the punch. Then I struggled to get the hammer aligned with the holes in the lower receiver so that I could push the hammer pin through. I ended up, again, using a small hammer to tap the hammer pin through, but much of the "tapping" must have been done when the holes were not aligned because many times I would tap and the pin wouldn't move at all into the hole. I wasn't tapping hard so I would find it hard to believe I did any damage to the structure of the trigger but I just wanted some more informed input on whether or not I could have possibly damaged something. I agree it is unlikely you would have damaged the structure from what you are describing. There is more likely something to be gleaned if you walk us through the entire process step by step and break it down into still smaller details, please. In addition, I've added some questions that may help us identify your problem. When removing the trigger pin, how was the trigger pin assembly supported? Was the lower supported in vise via lower receiver vise block when you were installing the trigger components? Did you drive out the slave pin as part of the installation process for the trigger and hammer pins? Were you using a tack hammer or a claw hammer for tapping on the pins? (Not meaning to infer anything. Not everybody has a wide selection of tools or the preferred tool of choice.) Before tapping with the hammer, were there specific points in the trigger and hammer pin where the pin stuck even when pushed with the punch? When tapping with the hammer, did the pin suddenly "break free" and then continue unimpeded? The good news, if you are still unhappy with it, you can contact Geissele and they will exchange it for a new SSA-E. |
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Ok, thanks for your response - when I removed the trigger pin the trigger was just in my lap when I was tapping the trigger pin out. -As I was installing the trigger and the hammer the lower was not supported in a vise, my friend was holding the lower while I attempted to tap the slave pin out and the trigger/hammer pins in. -I used the slave pin for installation purposes on both the hammer and the trigger -I used a tack hammer, not a claw hammer. - I really think my issue may have been alignment/not being careful enough checking to make sure the hammer hole was aligned with the hole in the lower, so I essentially didn't get the hammer pin in far at all before it wouldn't budge - when the hammer pin finally went through, it went through with ease |
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Quoted: Ok, thanks for your response - when I removed the trigger pin the trigger was just in my lap when I was tapping the trigger pin out. -As I was installing the trigger and the hammer the lower was not supported in a vise, my friend was holding the lower while I attempted to tap the slave pin out and the trigger/hammer pins in. -I used the slave pin for installation purposes on both the hammer and the trigger -I used a tack hammer, not a claw hammer. - I really think my issue may have been alignment/not being careful enough checking to make sure the hammer hole was aligned with the hole in the lower, so I essentially didn't get the hammer pin in far at all before it wouldn't budge - when the hammer pin finally went through, it went through with ease Given those circumstances, you would find it challenging to maintain the alignment. I would recommend contacting Geissele about the trigger not "feeling" right. If there is something amiss you can easily fix, they will tell you. More likely they will just ask you to send them that SSA-E and they will send you a new one. |
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Given those circumstances, you would find it challenging to maintain the alignment. I would recommend contacting Geissele about the trigger not "feeling" right. If there is something amiss you can easily fix, they will tell you. More likely they will just ask you to send them that SSA-E and they will send you a new one. Quoted:
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Ok, thanks for your response - when I removed the trigger pin the trigger was just in my lap when I was tapping the trigger pin out. -As I was installing the trigger and the hammer the lower was not supported in a vise, my friend was holding the lower while I attempted to tap the slave pin out and the trigger/hammer pins in. -I used the slave pin for installation purposes on both the hammer and the trigger -I used a tack hammer, not a claw hammer. - I really think my issue may have been alignment/not being careful enough checking to make sure the hammer hole was aligned with the hole in the lower, so I essentially didn't get the hammer pin in far at all before it wouldn't budge - when the hammer pin finally went through, it went through with ease Given those circumstances, you would find it challenging to maintain the alignment. I would recommend contacting Geissele about the trigger not "feeling" right. If there is something amiss you can easily fix, they will tell you. More likely they will just ask you to send them that SSA-E and they will send you a new one. Ok, I'll see what they say, thanks again for your responses. |
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Quoted: Ok, I'll see what they say, thanks again for your responses. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Ok, thanks for your response - when I removed the trigger pin the trigger was just in my lap when I was tapping the trigger pin out. -As I was installing the trigger and the hammer the lower was not supported in a vise, my friend was holding the lower while I attempted to tap the slave pin out and the trigger/hammer pins in. -I used the slave pin for installation purposes on both the hammer and the trigger -I used a tack hammer, not a claw hammer. - I really think my issue may have been alignment/not being careful enough checking to make sure the hammer hole was aligned with the hole in the lower, so I essentially didn't get the hammer pin in far at all before it wouldn't budge - when the hammer pin finally went through, it went through with ease Given those circumstances, you would find it challenging to maintain the alignment. I would recommend contacting Geissele about the trigger not "feeling" right. If there is something amiss you can easily fix, they will tell you. More likely they will just ask you to send them that SSA-E and they will send you a new one. Ok, I'll see what they say, thanks again for your responses. Please call the shop and ask to speak to James. He will get you squared away. |
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Hey guys, new to the forum and new to the AR platform. Recently completed my build with a Geissele SSA-E trigger group. Had a few issues getting it into my lower, and ended up using a small tap hammer to push the slave pin out and the trigger pin in, and also had a rough time initially getting the trigger pin out and pushing the slave pin through. Anyways, I got a little rough with the trigger trying to get the trigger pin out initially and then getting it back in later. Now that I got the trigger in, the take-up seems slightly less smooth than what I had remembered the SSA-E feeling like and I'm wondering if I could have f'd something up while removing one of the pins or putting them in? How durable are these things? The second stage still breaks like an icicle... Thanks! Like RXM said please call the shop and Customer Service will take care of you. force in installing a trigger is not good, would like to see the lower and we will fix up if anything is messed up at N/C |
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Like RXM said please call the shop and Customer Service will take care of you. force in installing a trigger is not good, would like to see the lower and we will fix up if anything is messed up at N/C Quoted:
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Hey guys, new to the forum and new to the AR platform. Recently completed my build with a Geissele SSA-E trigger group. Had a few issues getting it into my lower, and ended up using a small tap hammer to push the slave pin out and the trigger pin in, and also had a rough time initially getting the trigger pin out and pushing the slave pin through. Anyways, I got a little rough with the trigger trying to get the trigger pin out initially and then getting it back in later. Now that I got the trigger in, the take-up seems slightly less smooth than what I had remembered the SSA-E feeling like and I'm wondering if I could have f'd something up while removing one of the pins or putting them in? How durable are these things? The second stage still breaks like an icicle... Thanks! Like RXM said please call the shop and Customer Service will take care of you. force in installing a trigger is not good, would like to see the lower and we will fix up if anything is messed up at N/C Great product, great service. |
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Like RXM said please call the shop and Customer Service will take care of you. force in installing a trigger is not good, would like to see the lower and we will fix up if anything is messed up at N/C Quoted:
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Hey guys, new to the forum and new to the AR platform. Recently completed my build with a Geissele SSA-E trigger group. Had a few issues getting it into my lower, and ended up using a small tap hammer to push the slave pin out and the trigger pin in, and also had a rough time initially getting the trigger pin out and pushing the slave pin through. Anyways, I got a little rough with the trigger trying to get the trigger pin out initially and then getting it back in later. Now that I got the trigger in, the take-up seems slightly less smooth than what I had remembered the SSA-E feeling like and I'm wondering if I could have f'd something up while removing one of the pins or putting them in? How durable are these things? The second stage still breaks like an icicle... Thanks! Like RXM said please call the shop and Customer Service will take care of you. force in installing a trigger is not good, would like to see the lower and we will fix up if anything is messed up at N/C That right there is one of the reasons to buy Geissele triggers. Quality product and even better CS. |
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Like RXM said please call the shop and Customer Service will take care of you. force in installing a trigger is not good, would like to see the lower and we will fix up if anything is messed up at N/C Quoted:
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Hey guys, new to the forum and new to the AR platform. Recently completed my build with a Geissele SSA-E trigger group. Had a few issues getting it into my lower, and ended up using a small tap hammer to push the slave pin out and the trigger pin in, and also had a rough time initially getting the trigger pin out and pushing the slave pin through. Anyways, I got a little rough with the trigger trying to get the trigger pin out initially and then getting it back in later. Now that I got the trigger in, the take-up seems slightly less smooth than what I had remembered the SSA-E feeling like and I'm wondering if I could have f'd something up while removing one of the pins or putting them in? How durable are these things? The second stage still breaks like an icicle... Thanks! Like RXM said please call the shop and Customer Service will take care of you. force in installing a trigger is not good, would like to see the lower and we will fix up if anything is messed up at N/C Ok, I'll contact them tomorrow. Thanks so much for your help. |
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What lower are you using?
I had a few aero precision lowers that were really hard to get the hammer lined up with the holes. It caused the hammer to completely bind up on the lower when cocking the hammer. Aero claimed it was all 3 different hammers I tried that were out of spec, one of them being an ALG ACT. I called bs and sent the lowers in to be checked out. Of course they called me and said the lowers were in spec but offered to replace them. And of I course I wanted them replaced and in turn had no issues installing the lpk's, weird  .
May have an out of spec lower. |
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Impressive to say the least! It is reassuring that my first ever build will include a SSA-E which is due to arrive tomorrow. Even as the OP stated he may be pertly at fault for the installation, Geissele stands behind their product. Proud and glad my money went to such a company. Thanks, Dave Quoted:
That right there is one of the reasons to buy Geissele triggers. Quality product and even better CS. Quoted:
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Hey guys, new to the forum and new to the AR platform. Recently completed my build with a Geissele SSA-E trigger group. Had a few issues getting it into my lower, and ended up using a small tap hammer to push the slave pin out and the trigger pin in, and also had a rough time initially getting the trigger pin out and pushing the slave pin through. Anyways, I got a little rough with the trigger trying to get the trigger pin out initially and then getting it back in later. Now that I got the trigger in, the take-up seems slightly less smooth than what I had remembered the SSA-E feeling like and I'm wondering if I could have f'd something up while removing one of the pins or putting them in? How durable are these things? The second stage still breaks like an icicle... Thanks! Like RXM said please call the shop and Customer Service will take care of you. force in installing a trigger is not good, would like to see the lower and we will fix up if anything is messed up at N/C That right there is one of the reasons to buy Geissele triggers. Quality product and even better CS. |
| I've installed the SSA-E in 9 AR's. Some of them the trigger and hammer pins went in using the slave pin on the first try. On a few others I had the same problem you had trying to line up the hammer slave pin. The last one I installed on a S&W 15T took about 15 minutes and many tries tapping lightly with a light plastic end hammer to get the hammer installed. I just seems some receivers are more difficult than other due to manufacturing differences and tolerance stacking. I don't think you harmed your trigger. I'd just lube the points recommended in the instructions again and see if that improves the trigger. |
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I've installed the SSA-E in 9 AR's. Some of them the trigger and hammer pins went in using the slave pin on the first try. On a few others I had the same problem you had trying to line up the hammer slave pin. The last one I installed on a S&W 15T took about 15 minutes and many tries tapping lightly with a light plastic end hammer to get the hammer installed. I just seems some receivers are more difficult than other due to manufacturing differences and tolerance stacking. I don't think you harmed your trigger. I'd just lube the points recommended in the instructions again and see if that improves the trigger. I don't think you meant for OP to ignore the advice he got from Geissele Customer Service above your post. They will carefully take him through the process to make sure he's o.k. |
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Quoted: I've installed the SSA-E in 9 AR's. Some of them the trigger and hammer pins went in using the slave pin on the first try. On a few others I had the same problem you had trying to line up the hammer slave pin. The last one I installed on a S&W 15T took about 15 minutes and many tries tapping lightly with a light plastic end hammer to get the hammer installed. I just seems some receivers are more difficult than other due to manufacturing differences and tolerance stacking. I don't think you harmed your trigger. I'd just lube the points recommended in the instructions again and see if that improves the trigger. For me, it was easy as hell to install the trigger, but the hammer was a PAIN IN THE ASS. I felt like it took alot of force to get it in place for the pin. |
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For me, it was easy as hell to install the trigger, but the hammer was a PAIN IN THE ASS. I felt like it took alot of force to get it in place for the pin. Quoted:
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I've installed the SSA-E in 9 AR's. Some of them the trigger and hammer pins went in using the slave pin on the first try. On a few others I had the same problem you had trying to line up the hammer slave pin. The last one I installed on a S&W 15T took about 15 minutes and many tries tapping lightly with a light plastic end hammer to get the hammer installed. I just seems some receivers are more difficult than other due to manufacturing differences and tolerance stacking. I don't think you harmed your trigger. I'd just lube the points recommended in the instructions again and see if that improves the trigger. For me, it was easy as hell to install the trigger, but the hammer was a PAIN IN THE ASS. I felt like it took alot of force to get it in place for the pin. The trigger was fairly easy to get in after I got the slave pin out. The hammer, like you said, was a complete pain in the ass. I'm extremely impressed that Geissele is willing to help me out with this, as I am the one most likely causing the issue here. Awesome, awesome company. |
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I don't think you meant for OP to ignore the advice he got from Geissele Customer Service above your post. They will carefully take him through the process to make sure he's o.k. Quoted:
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I've installed the SSA-E in 9 AR's. Some of them the trigger and hammer pins went in using the slave pin on the first try. On a few others I had the same problem you had trying to line up the hammer slave pin. The last one I installed on a S&W 15T took about 15 minutes and many tries tapping lightly with a light plastic end hammer to get the hammer installed. I just seems some receivers are more difficult than other due to manufacturing differences and tolerance stacking. I don't think you harmed your trigger. I'd just lube the points recommended in the instructions again and see if that improves the trigger. I don't think you meant for OP to ignore the advice he got from Geissele Customer Service above your post. They will carefully take him through the process to make sure he's o.k. No I didn't but as many others have said the hammer with its full force spring can be a pita to install on some weapons. I don't know why he had a problem with the trigger pin as they all went in easily with out a single problem. As I said some of my SSA-E trigger installations went in on the first try. Others it was a real challenge to get the hammer in as others have noted. My last one (the 9th install) was one of those pita's. |
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