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Posted: 11/9/2014 5:15:44 AM EDT
| Seems like if I chamber the first round with the charging handle ( pulling it back and letting it go ) its about 50/50 if the round gets chambered correctly. If I lock the bolt back and release it with the bolt catch it chambers fine. I am pretty sure I'm pulling the handle back all the way and not walking it forward. I was using Fiochi 45 gr frangible ammo if that matters. The gun is a stag model 1. The gun runs fine after I get past the first round. I am kind of new to ARs any help would be appreciated. |
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Strange question, but is your muzzle pointed upward when you chamber with the handle, and downward or level when you use the bolt release?
I've seen where gravity can make a difference in bolt momentum-but this is pretty rare, and usually something else is aproblem (super dry, super dirty, etc). Either that, or you are just not pulling back far enough; because if done correctly, you are fully compressing the action spring and the bolt has more momentum/travel speed to ensure better feeding as opposed to off off the bolt release. |
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You don't use the charging handle to load a round. Read the manual or a tm Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile The correct answer. Use the charging handle to lock bolt to the rear. Use bolt release to load round. This will handle 99% of your loading needs. In a jacked up situation, you may have to clear a jam and load with the charging handle. If all seems good with a bolt that didn't make it home, I tap the FA. |
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Seems like if I chamber the first round with the charging handle ( pulling it back and letting it go ) its about 50/50 if the round gets chambered correctly. If I lock the bolt back and release it with the bolt catch it chambers fine. I am pretty sure I'm pulling the handle back all the way and not walking it forward. I was using Fiochi 45 gr frangible ammo if that matters. The gun is a stag model 1. The gun runs fine after I get past the first round. I am kind of new to ARs any help would be appreciated. Mags used? How do the feed ramps look? Have you tried using the bolt release? Try any other ammo? |
| Thanks for the replies . I will try out a few of the recommendations. I spoke with someone that told me not to use the charging handle to charge the first round especially with the fiochi frangible ammo. The bullet is rounded and wide not pointy like a regular 556. Will also try downloading the mags, thanks. |
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The only way I can think that that makes any sense is that you are not getting a clean release if you're in fact pulling all the way to the rear.
BCG velocity and momentum should be greater pulling the charging handle all the way to the rear vs bolt release after all. While there is nothing wrong with charging via bolt release and according to others who've apparently read the TMs in fact it's the proper way, and 99% of the time it's what I do, I do believe it necessary that the AR/user combo be able to reliably charge without using it, if you're an action match shooter you may find stages that specify bolt closed chamber empty starts, and more importantly in real life it's part of immediate action for malfunctions. |
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You don't use the charging handle to load a round. Read the manual or a tm Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Our TM allows for usage in the following manner: Ensure weapon is on "SAFE", bolt locked to rear. Send the bolt into battery, check again to ensure weapon is on "SAFE", lock a loaded magazine into place and go to work. In the event of use, charge the weapon. I see no reason why the charging handling shouldn't be used to load the weapon assuming its configured with bolt forward, on SAFE, and magazine locked in. I don't think OP's rifle ought to be doing what its doing... |
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Our TM allows for usage in the following manner: Ensure weapon is on "SAFE", bolt locked to rear. Send the bolt into battery, check again to ensure weapon is on "SAFE", lock a loaded magazine into place and go to work. In the event of use, charge the weapon. I see no reason why the charging handling shouldn't be used to load the weapon assuming its configured with bolt forward, on SAFE, and magazine locked in. I don't think OP's rifle ought to be doing what its doing... Quoted:
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You don't use the charging handle to load a round. Read the manual or a tm Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Our TM allows for usage in the following manner: Ensure weapon is on "SAFE", bolt locked to rear. Send the bolt into battery, check again to ensure weapon is on "SAFE", lock a loaded magazine into place and go to work. In the event of use, charge the weapon. I see no reason why the charging handling shouldn't be used to load the weapon assuming its configured with bolt forward, on SAFE, and magazine locked in. I don't think OP's rifle ought to be doing what its doing... I've never had a single issue when just using the charging handle. Maybe I'm just lucky. |
| The guy at the gun shop says they have a lot of problems with fiochi frangible 223. Not cycling, not chambering ect. He said it's partially due to the shape of the bullet. It's much more rounded then a typical 223 or 556. Hopefully that's all it is. Won't know until I can get to an outside range and fire real ammo. Im prety sure im pulling the handle all the way back. I don't think I'm riding or walking the handle forward. I'm new to ARs ( owning one )but not guns. I've never had this problem with our dept colts, yearly qualifications. |
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I've never had a single issue when just using the charging handle. Maybe I'm just lucky. Quoted:
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You don't use the charging handle to load a round. Read the manual or a tm Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Our TM allows for usage in the following manner: Ensure weapon is on "SAFE", bolt locked to rear. Send the bolt into battery, check again to ensure weapon is on "SAFE", lock a loaded magazine into place and go to work. In the event of use, charge the weapon. I see no reason why the charging handling shouldn't be used to load the weapon assuming its configured with bolt forward, on SAFE, and magazine locked in. I don't think OP's rifle ought to be doing what its doing... I've never had a single issue when just using the charging handle. Maybe I'm just lucky. Yep I was wrong this is the only time in history this has ever been posted Don't use the charging handle to "let the bolt" go. Poor reading comprehension is not a excuse for TM discipline..never heard that before either. |
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