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9/22/2014 11:28:46 PM EDT
My gunsmith installed my MB today, and I just found out that the crusher washer is out of alignment.
Is it okay? or something that needs to be corrected before I go shoot?
please let me know.




9/22/2014 11:54:09 PM EDT
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You paid for that? I wouldn't settle for that. I have to wonder if the hole in the crush washer was over size. It is probably fine just below standard workmanship.
9/23/2014 12:06:00 AM EDT
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No way in Hell would I pull the trigger on that!  
Look at your 2nd picture. The muzzle brake doesn't even look like it's aligned with the bore.
Maybe it's just me, but that brake looks cross-threaded.
I'd be taking it back.
9/23/2014 12:08:13 AM EDT
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You're seeing the results of putting a washer on a barrel with a thread relief.
9/23/2014 12:22:08 AM EDT
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2nd pic scares the crap out of me.
9/23/2014 12:39:06 AM EDT
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Sub par workmanship IMO. That would go straight back to the shop to have corrected.
9/23/2014 1:09:20 AM EDT
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Thats sloppy work there.
9/23/2014 10:03:08 AM EDT
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This may not look pretty, but I don't see it affecting performance. Unless it was pinned and welded this is easy to correct. Took you longer to post the pic than it would for me to fix it.  Cross threading wouldn't be all that easy to do. Flame suit on!!!!!
9/23/2014 10:12:25 AM EDT
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There's your answer. Shoot it, that brake isn't cross threaded.
9/23/2014 10:40:13 AM EDT
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Its not cross threaded and it the brake itself is centered.  I would just shoot it, it is not going to cause any problems.
9/23/2014 10:59:28 AM EDT
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Shoot it.
9/23/2014 11:16:57 AM EDT
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should have used peel washers on a barrel like that, looks like the crushwasher shifted in the relief.
9/23/2014 11:24:26 AM EDT
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Exactly, whoever threaded it didn't leave a shoulder to center the crush washer on.
9/23/2014 11:37:25 AM EDT
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I don't think I've ever seen a muzzle device that a crush washer was used that wasn't ever so slightly off. OP, yours is the worse I've seen, it's sloppy as fuck to be honest. But it isn't going to cause any problems...
9/23/2014 11:44:11 AM EDT
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As has already been said, it looks to be in good alignment and it doesn't look cross threaded to me.  Crush washer just isn't centered.  You could toss a cleaning rod down the bore and make sure it doesn't hang up on the muzzle break if that will make you feel better.

ETA:  I still wouldn't accept that quality of workmanship.  I'd be removing that and installing a new crush washer that was centered better if I were you.
9/23/2014 2:45:15 PM EDT
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+1
9/23/2014 4:08:54 PM EDT
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New crush washer is not going to fix diddly.

Order a set of shims from KAC, PWS or another company and time the comp.
9/23/2014 4:43:03 PM EDT
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Those will slide right into the relief cut, too.
9/23/2014 6:46:03 PM EDT
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As has already been said, it looks to be in good alignment and it doesn't look cross threaded to me.  Crush washer just isn't centered.  You could toss a cleaning rod down the bore and make sure it doesn't hang up on the muzzle break if that will make you feel better.

ETA:  I still wouldn't accept that quality of workmanship.  I'd be removing that and installing a new crush washer that was centered better if I were you.
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This.  However, it begs the question, why are you paying a gunsmith to install a muzzle brake in the first place?

If you have the ability to browse a website such as ARFcom, 15 minutes of your time invested on youtube (or any generic video streaming share) will have you at 100% for this task.
9/23/2014 8:53:41 PM EDT
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This.  However, it begs the question, why are you paying a gunsmith to install a muzzle brake in the first place?

If you have the ability to browse a website such as ARFcom, 15 minutes of your time invested on youtube (or any generic video streaming share) will have you at 100% for this task.
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As has already been said, it looks to be in good alignment and it doesn't look cross threaded to me.  Crush washer just isn't centered.  You could toss a cleaning rod down the bore and make sure it doesn't hang up on the muzzle break if that will make you feel better.

ETA:  I still wouldn't accept that quality of workmanship.  I'd be removing that and installing a new crush washer that was centered better if I were you.


This.  However, it begs the question, why are you paying a gunsmith to install a muzzle brake in the first place?

If you have the ability to browse a website such as ARFcom, 15 minutes of your time invested on youtube (or any generic video streaming share) will have you at 100% for this task.


What do you recommend for holding the bbl in the vice without damaging the finish? When removing a FH  to install a MB.
9/23/2014 9:24:01 PM EDT
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Hell 90% of the time they can be timed holding upper/lower between your knees...
9/23/2014 10:07:41 PM EDT
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Yep, I've done this before when I didn't have a vice.
9/23/2014 10:19:09 PM EDT
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Those will slide right into the relief cut, too.
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New crush washer is not going to fix diddly.

Order a set of shims from KAC, PWS or another company and time the comp.

Those will slide right into the relief cut, too.



Quiet. I'm enjoying the drama queens responses.
9/23/2014 11:07:39 PM EDT
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New crush washer is not going to fix diddly.

Order a set of shims from KAC, PWS or another company and time the comp.

Those will slide right into the relief cut, too.



Quiet. I'm enjoying the drama queens responses.


lol
 Seems like you cold just loosen it and wrap a little tape around it to keep it in place , then re tighten, and remove tape.
To me, it isn't worth the gas used to bring it to a smith to fix.
9/23/2014 11:15:36 PM EDT
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New crush washer is not going to fix diddly.

Order a set of shims from KAC, PWS or another company and time the comp.

Those will slide right into the relief cut, too.



Quiet. I'm enjoying the drama queens responses.

Sorry.
9/24/2014 6:33:57 AM EDT
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Thanks for all the inputs.
As a temporary (or permanent) fix, I used my Geissele Reaction Rod to loosen it up the MB and re tightened and achieved the correct alignment.
The reason that I got one done by the gunsmith was that I was getting my BCM KMR cerakoted by him and I had this MB when I was there to pick up the rail, and he offered to do it for $10. I guess I could have done it myself and save me the money and hassle.
Lesson learned!!
9/24/2014 10:04:37 AM EDT
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The real cure for that is to chuck the barrel in lath and cut the shoulder back another .030" so that the new crush washer will be held in the center when the break is screwed against it.
9/24/2014 10:09:38 AM EDT
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If you've got a lathe, you may as well just time the brake itself.
9/24/2014 2:09:56 PM EDT
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New crush washer is not going to fix diddly.

Order a set of shims from KAC, PWS or another company and time the comp.

Those will slide right into the relief cut, too.



Quiet. I'm enjoying the drama queens responses.



One would think you would offer a fix for the OP rather than babble about comments.  
9/24/2014 2:31:17 PM EDT
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One would think you would offer a fix for the OP rather than babble about comments.  
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New crush washer is not going to fix diddly.

Order a set of shims from KAC, PWS or another company and time the comp.

Those will slide right into the relief cut, too.



Quiet. I'm enjoying the drama queens responses.



One would think you would offer a fix for the OP rather than babble about comments.  



Why would I offer to fix something that isn't broke?  
9/24/2014 2:42:10 PM EDT
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One would think you would offer a fix for the OP rather than babble about comments.  
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New crush washer is not going to fix diddly.

Order a set of shims from KAC, PWS or another company and time the comp.

Those will slide right into the relief cut, too.



Quiet. I'm enjoying the drama queens responses.



One would think you would offer a fix for the OP rather than babble about comments.  

I think I liked the unedited post better.
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