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3/16/2014 10:30:21 AM EDT
Went out yesterday and rezeroed my rifle after changing scope mounts and at 50 yards I had nice small groups but when I moved out to 100yards my groups opened up.  I was shooting new black Hills 77gr SMKs,  rifle is a red x arms 20in bull barrel with 1/8 twist burris fullfield ii 3-9 in a millit mount and a g2s trigger .  Everything is tight and I was shooting from a bipod.  

I'm fairly confident that nothing is wrong with the rifle so any tips on improving my shooting

Couple of my "best"  groups



And the rifle
3/16/2014 10:59:55 AM EDT
[#1]
scope parallax is not adjusted correctly and keep your cheek and hold the same every time. work on trigger control as well. thats all I have besides a better scope.
3/16/2014 11:18:52 AM EDT
[#2]
Assuming those are 1" squares on the target, it looks like you're shooting ~1.5" groups.  Not bad for factory ammo.  Try a few other kinds of match ammo, or even some of the V-max loads.  Or, roll your own.  

I assume the barrel is free floated.  Try shooting off bags or with a rest (e.g., Lead Sled).  Make sure your scope is solidly mounted in the rings and that the mount is securely attached to the receiver.    Have another shooter try it out.
3/16/2014 11:31:55 AM EDT
[#3]
Practice, practice, practice...but remember, practice doesn't make perfect, perfect practice makes perfect.

Most recreational shooters are not willing to make the effort to learn their rifle, ammo, cold/clean bore POI and dope.  If you are, suggest you get a sniper log book (example) and start calling/logging every shot, especially since you are shooting relatively expensive ammo.
3/16/2014 11:37:35 AM EDT
[#4]
The left-to-right spread suggests a fault in your trigger press. Perhaps some additional dry practice would help?

3/16/2014 11:38:02 AM EDT
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Assuming those are 1" squares on the target, it looks like you're shooting ~1.5" groups.  Not bad for factory ammo.  Try a few other kinds of match ammo, or even some of the V-max loads.  Or, roll your own.  

I assume the barrel is free floated.  Try shooting off bags or with a rest (e.g., Lead Sled).  Make sure your scope is solidly mounted in the rings and that the mount is securely attached to the receiver.    Have another shooter try it out.
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My other thought was ammo figured black Hills was quality stuff but next time I was try something different.  And they are 1in squares
3/16/2014 11:44:17 AM EDT
[#6]
Try some Federal gold metal match.



Also after each shot are you following through?
3/16/2014 11:46:06 AM EDT
[#7]
over lay both groups and you can see one shot from each string is pulled left, one group stays left of bull and one stays right of bull. I think its you on the far left shots and the scope on the others that are tighter grouped.
if you discard the far left shots your down to 1 to 1 1/4 groups and with practice you will get better. make sure the bore gets cleaned very good if you want tight groups.
3/16/2014 12:09:33 PM EDT
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The left-to-right spread suggests a fault in your trigger press. Perhaps some additional dry practice would help?

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+1

Setup in the house with NO AMMO

Put a little target out as far as you can.  Get lots of DRY practice in

Work on building a solid position and trigger press
3/16/2014 12:50:44 PM EDT
[#9]
A trigger pull exercise in the army was to get in the prone- balance a penny on your barrel and do your trigger squeeze.this is easier with someone setting the penny for you... If the penny stays on the barrel, that's a good squeeze. Said the Army.
 
3/16/2014 1:46:13 PM EDT
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A trigger pull exercise in the army was to get in the prone- balance a penny on your barrel and do your trigger squeeze.this is easier with someone setting the penny for you... If the penny stays on the barrel, that's a good squeeze. Said the Army.  
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What he said.

When the rifle fires it should almost surprise you. Not to the point of a flinch but thats how you should milk a trigger smoothly.

AL
3/16/2014 2:09:06 PM EDT
[#11]
So sounds like trigger control is my issue eh?
3/16/2014 2:18:52 PM EDT
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The left-to-right spread suggests a fault in your trigger press. Perhaps some additional dry practice would help?

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This.  I had the same problem.  Still do a little, but improving.  Make sure you are touching the trigger exactly the same way with the middle of the first digit of the index finger and pressing straight back.  If you squeeze to the right, shots will be pulled left.  Also your trigger hand must mount the grip and apply pressure to it the same way every time.  Support the rear stock on a bag of some sort in addition to the bipod up front.  The horizontal stringing will improve if you pay attention to the fundamentals.
3/16/2014 3:32:35 PM EDT
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So sounds like trigger control is my issue eh?
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Try a different grip, and see what happens. I'd suggest BCM Mod 1, because it has no finger swells to force your hand into a position that may not be optimum, because it has a back strap that moves your hand rearward for a more natural reach to the trigger, and because it has a more vertical angle that does not introduce muscular tension into your wrist. It's small money to find out if it improves your trigger press.
3/16/2014 4:33:17 PM EDT
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Try a different grip, and see what happens. I'd suggest BCM Mod 1, because it has no finger swells to force your hand into a position that may not be optimum, because it has a back strap that moves your hand rearward for a more natural reach to the trigger, and because it has a more vertical angle that does not introduce muscular tension into your wrist. It's small money to find out if it improves your trigger press.
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So sounds like trigger control is my issue eh?


Try a different grip, and see what happens. I'd suggest BCM Mod 1, because it has no finger swells to force your hand into a position that may not be optimum, because it has a back strap that moves your hand rearward for a more natural reach to the trigger, and because it has a more vertical angle that does not introduce muscular tension into your wrist. It's small money to find out if it improves your trigger press.



I actually just bought a bcm grip for my bcm 14.5 carbine and love it might need another
3/16/2014 5:46:40 PM EDT
[#15]
Do tell if it works for you. EMWTK.
3/16/2014 6:39:55 PM EDT
[#16]
Washer drills.
3/19/2014 5:15:02 AM EDT
[#17]
This is good info on trigger
control this 5 shot group was shot
yesterday at 100 yards with 53gr.
hornady superformance and
a CR6720 I have practiced what I read here
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3/19/2014 5:38:11 AM EDT
[#18]
washer drill, breathing practice, and squeeze the trigger, don't pull it.
3/19/2014 5:40:06 AM EDT
[#19]
Great shooting, sir!
3/19/2014 6:04:31 AM EDT
[#20]
Ya it will be a while before I can get back out to the range to try again but I might replace my houge grip with a magpul to move my hand back a bit
3/19/2014 6:32:12 AM EDT
[#21]
Making sure the rifle fits you and how you shoot is important. Then your shooting position must be stable; like prone on a good pad and bag  (not a pillow, or rucksack) or a solid bench not some rickety folding table. Establish a natural point of aim from that stable position; close eyes breathe you should be on target still when you open them. If not adjust position.

What you need to do is remove every variable you can; rifle fit/equipment , position, light and wind conditions (good luck with that) and aim at the smallest aim point you can stay on with out straining. If it looks big it is too big if it is so small your cross hair covers it up it needs to be bigger.

The worst thing is your barrel might not like that ammo. Try a couple of different loads.

Have a known good shooter you trust fire a couple of groups out of it to see if it is you or the rifle (yea.. most likely it's you but there is a chance).

Also if you have been shooting this barrel a while you might try cleaning the copper fouling out of it with a copper solvent (read; follow directions and remember that after that treatment there is not a coating on your barrel to prevent corrosion for long term storage).
3/19/2014 2:38:38 PM EDT
[#22]
Evile,
With varmint style rigs like ours I have been very happy with the ergo grip and prs stock.
Good evening
3/19/2014 3:20:56 PM EDT
[#23]
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A trigger pull exercise in the army was to get in the prone- balance a penny on your barrel and do your trigger squeeze.this is easier with someone setting the penny for you... If the penny stays on the barrel, that's a good squeeze. Said the Army.  
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The way we did it is put a cleaning rod in the end of the barrel balance a dime on the cleaning rod, squeeze the trigger. If the dime stayed good job, if not, do push-ups. Try again.
3/19/2014 3:24:47 PM EDT
[#24]
Bipod bounce.
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