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Posted: 6/18/2018 1:11:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: pscot468]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jekbrown: Are these a different product than what New Frontier sells? If so, weight?  |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 6/19/2018 3:38:54 AM EDT
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Any one ever try an aluminum bolt catch before? I can see it being a disposable part like an aluminum bcg. This place called PAMAX Tactical has some. It's probably the lightest bolt catch there is even though it clearly seems to be a knock off B.A.D bolt catch but made of aluminum. I might try one just to see how durable it is. I wonder how much lighter it is than my moded titanium bolt catch. My guess is that it weighs around 4 grams since my titanium one weighs 6 grams.
https://www.pmtactical.com/product-page/ar15-enhanced-aluminum-bolt-catch-release Can't wait till those incognito arms stocks start shipping, at this rate breaking 3 lbs is guaranteed. I also got my 14.5 barrel back from rainier arms today. I took a couple of quick pics just in case anyone wants to see how their titanium muzzle brake pinning and welding work looks like. https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1ea0OQqRcmIf0cBWowkiuZNPFKfXKjTc_ |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 6/19/2018 7:57:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: pscot468]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Luv863:
Any one ever try an aluminum bolt catch before? I can see it being a disposable part like an aluminum bcg. This place called PAMAX Tactical has some. It's probably the lightest bolt catch there is even though it clearly seems to be a knock off B.A.D bolt catch but made of aluminum. I might try one just to see how durable it is. I wonder how much lighter it is than my moded titanium bolt catch. My guess is that it weighs around 4 grams since my titanium one weighs 6 grams. https://www.pmtactical.com/product-page/ar15-enhanced-aluminum-bolt-catch-release Can't wait till those incognito arms stocks start shipping, at this rate breaking 3 lbs is guaranteed. I also got my 14.5 barrel back from rainier arms today. I took a couple of quick pics just in case anyone wants to see how their titanium muzzle brake pinning and welding work looks like. https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1ea0OQqRcmIf0cBWowkiuZNPFKfXKjTc_ |
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Posted: 6/19/2018 1:14:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: asorel]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pscot468:[/b] My experience has been great. The gas key had damn good staking AND red loctite. Maybe they started doing that after they started getting problems. Did I mention how little gas it needs to cycle??? I run it full auto too, zero issues with a standard carbine buffer, even with 223 reloads from freedom. I do use a sharps extreme performance bolt with springco 5 coil extractor spring, o ring, delrin insert, and ejector spring though. The bolt it shipped with had a 4 coil xp extractor spring, it appeared to be good quality I did end up picking up a Blackdiamond BCG from Iron City by the way, thanks in part to your endorsement. Worse comes to worst, OpticsPlanet has a pretty forgiving returns policy so it shouldn't be too big a setback for me. |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 6/19/2018 3:28:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By asorel:
Apologies for the necro. So the Sharps bolt has been holding up well for you? Any reason you picked Sharps over the other "enhanced" bolt assemblies out there, such as the JP, or LMT's offering? One thing that sticks out to me is the NP3 coating. My barrel extension (Faxon match series) is NP3-coated as well, so I imagine lubricity would be good. I did end up picking up a Blackdiamond BCG from Iron City by the way, thanks in part to your endorsement. Worse comes to worst, OpticsPlanet has a pretty forgiving returns policy so it shouldn't be too big a setback for me. |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 6/20/2018 2:43:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: pscot468]
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The entire plum crazy parts kit comes in at 126 grams. Trigger group is 17 grams. Takedown and pivot pins 3 grams. Magazine catch with spring is 3.5ish grams. Magazine catch button and bolt catch detent according to my scale TOGETHER are 0 grams, rofl. I need a better scale... Safety selector is 3 grams. Pretty light stuff!!! And the hammer is identical to the one new frontier sent me out as a replacement. All these parts look and feel different than the old school NFA polymer parts. They do feel like they are higher quality.
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Posted: 6/20/2018 7:04:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pscot468: It's all good, i had never read anything bad about it. I will keep my eyes on the gas key, better safe than sorry. I have used the NP3 coated reliabolt before, it's great but i'm currently using the black dlc coated Xtreme performance bolt from sharps. I went with sharps because they use a much harder steel than the others. When they first came out they had bolt breakages but it was a heat treating issue. I believe you will be happy with the iron city bolt though, it appears to be high quality. I put more even more money into my "duty" guns than my lightweights, i like to throw every dollar i can at attaining reliability. Spikes tactical makes ion bonded gas rings too, they are a great product. They started making them because their "compressor" SBR was eating up regular gas rings in only a few thousand rounds. The ion bonded gas rings lasted as long as the 7.5 in FN doubled chrome, cold hammer forged barrels. |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 6/20/2018 7:36:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: pscot468]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By asorel:
I'm trying to make a lightweight that's also a duty gun (crazy, right?), so I'm interested in upping reliability a bit. In your view, is there any reason not to go with DLC over NP3? A bit of light reading on each coating shows both have similar lubricity, and both are "corrosion resistant," although I haven't seen any info comparing one to the other yet. DLC is much harder, and much thinner than NP3, at only a couple microns, so I imagine there isn't any need to "undersize" components before applying the coating. Does NP3 have any corresponding plusses over DLC, besides cost? |
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Posted: 6/20/2018 7:49:41 PM EDT
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SC, USA
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Posted: 6/20/2018 8:19:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryDamn that's pricey!!! Lol did I mention that ar 15 shop sent me yet another polymer buffer tube? I didn't even order one with this order, lol I just got 2 polymer lpk's
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Posted: 6/20/2018 8:55:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: asorel]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pscot468: That's not crazy, that's just ideal! ?? My duty 308 is under 7.5 lbs, my duty 5.56 is under 6, they both have heavy fn machine gun barrels. I'll get pics up when my 308 is back from the shop. The dlc can handle more heat and it's black, lol. That's about the difference. Also it doesn't wear off as easily, that np3 can flake a little. The sharps dlc isn't quite as slick as iron cities, but it's still great! Also they don't coat the extractor. What kind of barrel are you using? You thinking about an echo trigger? Lol it's great fun! Not just fun though, it's a fantastic trigger for a duty gun. |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 6/20/2018 9:02:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By asorel:
Yeah, I guessed flaking would be an issue too, as NP3 is basically NiB with some Teflon sprinkled in, and NiB has a reputation for flaking. I was thinking about the KE arms SLT-2 for a trigger. Binary triggers are cool and all, but the way the SLT seals all the moving parts up in the housing lends itself better to reliability. Being able to activate the safety anytime is nice too, if a bit niche. It's also absurdly light at just over an ounce, which obviously isn't the end-all be-all in a duty gun but it's a nice touch. |
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Posted: 6/20/2018 9:20:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: asorel]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pscot468: You'd be surprised how reliable a trigger the echo is. It's basically a modified hiperfire. Has a good, strong hammer spring too and a very positive reset. 
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Posted: 6/20/2018 11:09:49 PM EDT
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It's a tough call, but I think I'm going to end up going for the V7 2055 receiver set over the Master of Arms Esoteric. It's slightly heavier, and doesn't have a threaded bolt catch pin or takedown detent holes, but it has mag release fencing, a bigger trigger guard and short-throw selector markings. I've got the option to install a dust cover too, if I'm so inclined.
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SC, USA
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Posted: 6/21/2018 1:22:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By asorel:
It's a tough call, but I think I'm going to end up going for the V7 2055 receiver set over the Master of Arms Esoteric. It's slightly heavier, and doesn't have a threaded bolt catch pin or takedown detent holes, but it has mag release fencing, a bigger trigger guard and short-throw selector markings. I've got the option to install a dust cover too, if I'm so inclined. |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 4:14:14 AM EDT
[Last Edit: jekbrown]
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bah, we don't need no stinkin' port doors!
PWD update: all U data added. Also, a user requested a weight/length ratio in the FF rail sheet, so I added a column for that. It's ounces per inch. No surprise, the 15" brigand arms offering wins that particular race. Just 0.33oz/inch! I'm honestly not sure how many people will find that kind of trivia useful, but it was super easy to add so I figured "why not?". 
Same thing could be added for barrels, I guess...but would anyone be interested in that? All people really care about is the weight of a part, no? |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 6/21/2018 5:21:03 AM EDT
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Is the vorn usa upper that weighs 7.1 oz in the PWD the same as the one that's on their website that says it weighs 5.7 oz? I was thinking of buying one for a different build that I am doing but not if it weighs 7.1 oz.
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SC, USA
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Posted: 6/21/2018 6:52:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jekbrown:
bah, we don't need no stinkin' port doors!
PWD update: all U data added. Also, a user requested a weight/length ratio in the FF rail sheet, so I added a column for that. It's ounces per inch. No surprise, the 15" brigand arms offering wins that particular race. Just 0.33oz/inch! I'm honestly not sure how many people will find that kind of trivia useful, but it was super easy to add so I figured "why not?".
Same thing could be added for barrels, I guess...but would anyone be interested in that? All people really care about is the weight of a part, no? |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 9:00:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pscot468: Lol I'll get you some u weights for the new aluminum bolt catch soon. I fully expect it to break on my 308, lol probably within the first 200 rounds. But I'll press forward. For the cause!!! |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 11:04:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jekbrown:
PWD update: all U data added. Also, a user requested a weight/length ratio in the FF rail sheet, so I added a column for that. It's ounces per inch. No surprise, the 15" brigand arms offering wins that particular race. Just 0.33oz/inch! I'm honestly not sure how many people will find that kind of trivia useful, but it was super easy to add so I figured "why not?".
Same thing could be added for barrels, I guess...but would anyone be interested in that? All people really care about is the weight of a part, no? |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 6/21/2018 2:34:06 PM EDT
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U weight was 116 grams or 4.10 ounces
 
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Posted: 6/21/2018 2:48:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: asorel]
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Anyone have experience with polymer dust covers from Mako or Kaiser US? I notice that Kaiser has a disclaimer on the description of their covers, which claims it's "X-7 Compatible Only," not quite sure what to make of that. It's just a dust cover, right? What kind of voodoo is going on that keeps it from being used in other upper receivers?
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SC, USA
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Posted: 6/21/2018 3:59:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: pscot468]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By asorel:
Anyone have experience with polymer dust covers from Mako or Kaiser US? I notice that Kaiser has a disclaimer on the description of their covers, which claims it's "X-7 Compatible Only," not quite sure what to make of that. It's just a dust cover, right? What kind of voodoo is going on that keeps it from being used in other upper receivers? |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 4:47:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pscot468: I have used just about every dust cover there is. The lightest yet has been the hera, it comes with a shortened enlarged end polymer rod, and it is adjustable. Next up is the HK 416 port door, it's polymer and non adjustable. The mako is adjustable. I never used the kaiser because of the disclaimer, but i do have a kaiser receiver set. It's one of the best receivers i have ever used. |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 6/21/2018 5:05:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By asorel:
Hera seems to get a bad reputation on the interwebs, so I've been staying away. Not sure if it's a reputation founded on reality or a couple bad apples in the past, but it makes me cautious enough to go for the ever-so-slightly heavier Mako instead. |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 7:19:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: jekbrown]
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It's hard to imagine that HERA has a worse rep than Mako. I bought one product from those clowns (rail system for my CETME) and the item I received looked like it had been bounced down 8 flights of concrete stairs. Totally unacceptable. Took months to get it replaced, and when the second one came in it looked like it had bounced down just 1 fight if stairs, so I said screw it and lived with it. I'll never order from them again.
As far as port doors go, everyone has to have their niche of expertise in this world, and I know where pscots is.
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Posted: 6/21/2018 7:31:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jekbrown:
It's hard to imagine that HERA has a worse rep than Mako. I bought one product from those clowns (rail system for my CETME) and the item I received looked like it had been bounced down 8 flights of concrete stairs. Totally unacceptable. Took months to get it replaced, and when the second one came in it looked like it had bounced down just 1 fight if stairs, so I said screw it and lived with it. I'll never order from them again. As far as port doors go, everyone has to have their niche of expertise in this world, and I know where pscots is. |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 8:02:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pscot468: Lol yes, please direct all questions about port door compatibility towards me. My uncle told me if his sergeant ever caught him with his open he would smack the crap out of him! He was a marine back when recruit abuse was allowed, lol. It's an important part for a duty gun! Man, the word cetme has no place on the lightweight forum ?????? I had a ptr-91, stupid thing was like an anchor. And upgrade parts were so pricey... Gimme an ar any day of the week! I do like makos recoil reducing butt stock, I have it on my duty 308 riding a tapco 7075 commercial buffer tube. The tapco tubes actually have detent locks! |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 6/21/2018 8:24:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By asorel:
Ended up going with the Heckle my Koch. Probably paid more than I have a right to for a small piece of polymer (out of stock everywhere besides HK's own distributor), but with the amount I've spent already there's no sense pinching pennies over something relatively minor. Speaking of the PTR 91, I was considering picking one up myself down the line. Not really for a practical use--I've got my AR and eventually my AK for that--but I like collecting different action types, and I'm fond of the PTR's gratuitously violent roller-delay. |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 9:29:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pscot468:
Damn that's pricey!!! Lol did I mention that ar 15 shop sent me yet another polymer buffer tube? I didn't even order one with this order, lol I just got 2 polymer lpk's Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pscot468:
But at that point, I'd probably just buy one from Smoke. |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 6/21/2018 11:18:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BKKJ: Considering it's the lightest one out there and pretty close in price to the PWS, not bad. Still When the plastic ones are $3... and only .1 oz heavier... Maybe for a duty gun. But at that point, I'd probably just buy one from Smoke. |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 11:46:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: jekbrown]
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Bah, adjustability costs weight. Over rated in a world with custom length CF anyway, right? If I share my ultralight, the borrower can deal with it.
BTW, i got my LuthAR charging handle. When I first got it the latch was refusing to open easily, like there was some flashing on a surface somewhere in there that kept catching on something. I was like "wtf?!", but after pushing the latch in/out for about an hour it's calmed down a bit. The spring they use is probably 3x as strong as it needs to be, which doesn't help ease of use for an already not so great design. All in all, not impressed. 
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SC, USA
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Posted: 6/21/2018 11:56:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: pscot468]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jekbrown:
Bah, adjustability costs weight. Over rated in a world with custom length CF anyway, right? If I share my ultralight, the borrower can deal with it. |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 6/22/2018 12:53:22 AM EDT
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Catch me Hah!!!
I have my aluminum bolt catches coming (2). My lightest Tegra lower complete but without the CF stock and Taccom buffers and spring now weighs 172 grams or 6.05 ounces. Hoping I can get below 5.9 ounces before the Incognito CF stock gets here. Even cutting the bolt catch roll pin shorter will remove weight some. Since I am now in cardiac rehab (kicking my ass) and it's only 113 degrees outside, all I can do is work inside at my desk trimming weight off my lower receiver. I have to get all my safety gear out (HEPA Vacuum cleaner, dust mask etc) for cutting the CF hand guard back from 10.5" to 9 inches. |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 6/22/2018 1:16:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By breastroker:
Catch me Hah!!! I have my aluminum bolt catches coming (2). My lightest Tegra lower complete but without the CF stock and Taccom buffers and spring now weighs 172 grams or 6.05 ounces. Hoping I can get below 5.9 ounces before the Incognito CF stock gets here. Even cutting the bolt catch roll pin shorter will remove weight some. Since I am now in cardiac rehab (kicking my ass) and it's only 113 degrees outside, all I can do is work inside at my desk trimming weight off my lower receiver. I have to get all my safety gear out (HEPA Vacuum cleaner, dust mask etc) for cutting the CF hand guard back from 10.5" to 9 inches. |
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Posted: 6/22/2018 2:05:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pscot468:When incognito decides to ship us our stocks I'm posting up to date pics of my fully featured ultralight builds. With my new aluminum bolt catches I'll be gaining some more ground on breastroker!!! Lol I'm still a ways off though. The bolt catches will arrive Saturday. Weights will be posted! Yeah, lol I told you that handle was hard as hell to use!!! With the luthAR charging handle, it's an awkward design, but I don't think it'll be intolerable once I can get the latch to smoothly pivot. |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 6/22/2018 2:17:33 AM EDT
[Last Edit: pscot468]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jekbrown: If you really want to catch breastroker, the best way is to ditch the bolt catch/plunger/spring/pin. All kinds of weight there, even with an AL BC. With the luthAR charging handle, it's an awkward design, but I don't think it'll be intolerable once I can get the latch to smoothly pivot. |
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Posted: 6/22/2018 10:34:43 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/22/2018 10:40:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: pscot468]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PursuitSS:
https://i.imgur.com/ix7ZMsz.jpg |
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Posted: 6/22/2018 11:03:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pscot468: I'd recognize those shell deflector cuts anywhere!!! Do we have another soul brave enough to try the blackthorne??? :D And how the hell did you remove over an oz? The Hesse units didn’t have a Forward Assist. |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 6/22/2018 2:33:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: breastroker]
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I want, I need a Hesse upper! With that upper receiver I could try for 2.5 pounds.
My Luthar charging handle has worked great, might be because it sits in a polymer upper. Got an email, my aluminum bolt catches shipped. Does anyone know the weight of a steel barrel extension??????? |
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Posted: 6/22/2018 2:54:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: breastroker]
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There is no data base for the 308/6.5/7-08 ARs.
My ultra light polymer 556 isn't something I would use if the Zombies come out after the Jackasses loose the next election. The POF roller cam pin was lighter than any other 308 cam pin, even lighter than the V7 improved cam pin. Which they actually put the wrong weight on their web site! Also the 2A hollow titanium takedown pins are lighter than the aluminum 308 pins. But my AR308 is a perfect rifle, weight of rifle is 4.39 pounds with the polymer trigger group and 4.50 pounds with the Hyprfire EDT trigger. The 2A receiver set is a work of art, near perfection. I could try a titanium bolt catch, some of you will be dumping your expensive ones for the aluminum ones? |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 6/22/2018 5:59:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: pscot468]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By breastroker:
There is no data base for the 308/6.5/7-08 ARs. My ultra light polymer 556 isn't something I would use if the Zombies come out after the Jackasses loose the next election. The POF roller cam pin was lighter than any other 308 cam pin But my AR308 is a perfect rifle, weight of rifle is 4.39 pounds with the polymer trigger group and 4.50 pounds with the Hyprfire EDT trigger. The 2A receiver set is a work of art, near perfection. I could try a titanium bolt catch, some of you will be dumping your expensive ones for the aluminum ones? |
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Posted: 6/22/2018 6:02:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: pscot468]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PursuitSS: Actually it’s Blackthorne’s predecessor, it’s a Hesse. The Hesse units didn’t have a Forward Assist. |
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Posted: 6/22/2018 7:57:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pscot468: I'd recognize those shell deflector cuts anywhere!!! Do we have another soul brave enough to try the blackthorne??? :D And how the hell did you remove over an oz? |
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Posted: 6/22/2018 9:24:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pscot468: Where did you dig up that old fossil PursuitSS??? And where can i get one!? |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 6/23/2018 12:52:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JasonblkZ06:
Are these Blackthorne uppers any good? What about being safe to use? I was all set to use Fostech receivers, but I will never have the lightest rifle. All of my plans are futile! I was wanting to put together the lightest AR I could but Blackthorne doesn't have a good reputation. |
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Posted: 6/23/2018 12:53:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PursuitSS: I purchased it at a gun show YEARS ago. |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 6/23/2018 2:34:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: pscot468]
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The pamax tactical aluminum bolt catch is 5 grams :D i ordered 2 and they only sent 1... :( Maybe this is a sign from God that I don't need one on my 308?
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Posted: 6/23/2018 3:06:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: breastroker]
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My enhanced V7 tool steel bolt catch @ 7.970 grams or 0.2805 ounces by drilling a hole through the paddle.
So almost 3 grams savings with the aluminum bolt catch. How much did that over priced titanium bolt catch weigh? |
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