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Posted: 1/7/2014 10:53:33 AM EDT
| I'm not sure if this animal even exists, but I figured if it does, somebody on here would know. I'm looking for a forend that has a FSB cutout that is NOT a free float. Basically, I just want to pop out my midlength MOE and drop this one in. |
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You have this but it's not extended.
https://www.rainierarms.com/?page=shop/detail&product_id=3216 Or this but it's FF and expensive. It is 2 piece and utilizes a mil-spec barrel nut. https://www.rainierarms.com/?page=shop/detail&product_id=2734 This would be a good choice but it's not extended and FF. The price is right and you wont have to remove your FSB. https://www.rainierarms.com/?page=shop/detail&product_id=689 Without free-floating it, it will be difficult to drop in and be extended. I'm sure there are other rails available as well. Personally, I'd go with the Centurion and cut the handguard cap, delta ring etc. off. You won't have to mess with your FSB and you'll have a solid set-up. It's pricey but, IMO, worth it. |
http://www.leapers.com/prod_detail.php?mitem=&level1=&level2=&itemno=MTU015&status=utg They're kinda heavy and ugly, though. |
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MI used to make a drop-in extended version that mounted just like standard handguards. Only company I know of now that makes them (at least they are still cataloged) is UTG. Probably not the answer you wanted, but UTG stuff is made in the USA. That's exactly what I'm looking for.............................................BUT it's UTG. They can't be the only company making those, can they ?? |
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They can't be the only company making those, can they ?? Most likely. What you're looking for is kind of a weird niche. I can't imagine even UTG would sell many of those. ETA: And the fact that you have a mid-length is really going to make it an oddball product. I don't think you're going to find anything that will work. It's complicated to make an extended rail that's not free float, because it still needs some way to mount against the handgaurd cap that's behind the FSB. If I may ask, why do you want something that's not free floated? Is it simply a cost issue? Or is there another reason? |
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That's exactly what I'm looking for.............................................BUT it's UTG. They can't be the only company making those, can they ?? Quoted:
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MI used to make a drop-in extended version that mounted just like standard handguards. Only company I know of now that makes them (at least they are still cataloged) is UTG. Probably not the answer you wanted, but UTG stuff is made in the USA. That's exactly what I'm looking for.............................................BUT it's UTG. They can't be the only company making those, can they ?? You're safe! The rail is for a carbine gas system, not a midlength. IT would be a no go for you anyway. Try Samson. |
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Most likely. What you're looking for is kind of a weird niche. I can't imagine even UTG would sell many of those. It's complicated to make an extended rail that's not free float, because it still needs some way to mount against the handgaurd cap that's behind the FSB. If I may ask, why do you want something that's not free floated? Is it simply a cost issue? Or is there another reason? Quoted:
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They can't be the only company making those, can they ?? Most likely. What you're looking for is kind of a weird niche. I can't imagine even UTG would sell many of those. It's complicated to make an extended rail that's not free float, because it still needs some way to mount against the handgaurd cap that's behind the FSB. If I may ask, why do you want something that's not free floated? Is it simply a cost issue? Or is there another reason? Basically cost. By the time I buy a FF handguard, new gas block, new front sight, and have the old crap taken off, I'd be better off buying a new upper outfitted. Not looking to spend that right now. What I have works (acid tactical tri-rail barrel mount), but the more I look at it, the more I want something better looking. |
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You're safe! The rail is for a carbine gas system, not a midlength. IT would be a no go for you anyway. Try Samson. Quoted:
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MI used to make a drop-in extended version that mounted just like standard handguards. Only company I know of now that makes them (at least they are still cataloged) is UTG. Probably not the answer you wanted, but UTG stuff is made in the USA. That's exactly what I'm looking for.............................................BUT it's UTG. They can't be the only company making those, can they ?? You're safe! The rail is for a carbine gas system, not a midlength. IT would be a no go for you anyway. Try Samson. THX !! This Samson looks interesting. |
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That's still a free float rail. You can use a free float rail without changing your gas block. You just need a FF rail with FSB cutout. You'll remove the gas block, change the barrel nut (if the rail doesn't use the stock one), and then install the rail, and lastly the gas block. If the rail uses a stock barrel nut, you don't even have to remove that. You can cut the delta ring off with a grinder or cutoff wheel and save a step. I'm not sure if anyone makes a 2 piece, free float rail with FSB cutout, but if so, that would probably be perfect for you. You wouldn't even have to remove the gas block, and the 2 piece rail would just install around it. |
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Your "non-FF" criteria is a red herring. Looks like you want a FSB cutout rail you can install yourself w/o removing the FSB etc. Your best bet is probably the Centurion that I know of, street price is $266, less than any other quality option I've heard of. I don't see a way around cutting off the delta ring.
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/Centurion-Arms-C4-Rail-System-Carbine-Cutout-p/centurion%200609-cc.htm Here's another: http://www.amazon.com/Troy-SRAI-CHR-CXBT-00-Charlie-Battle-Rail/dp/B007TR61L4 Troy "Drop In" Charlie rail, they have a few different flavors of this concept of rail. Edit: Troy's description "...do not require removal of the delta ring, barrel nut or fixed front sight. Troy's new Drop-in free float rails are the easiest to install and most versatile free float system available on the market." |
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Daneil Defense has one, and it is actually lighter than the Magpul plastic MOE stock. Mounting a light in front of the front sight is winners too. Especially going over, under, and around barriers. having the light betwen the sights and barrel is awesome http://www.kaneohegs.com/images/daniel_defense_M4Carbine_right_with_surefire_X300_fwd.jpg This is a FF.... he wants one that is held in place by the factory delta ring. |
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Quoted: Troy's description says it's a free float, plus it's like $300. Looking for something a little cheaper.  |
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just buy the utg and be done with it. It will serve your purposes and you wont' have any issues with it. If it were not made in America then I'd say spend more and get the Samson (midway has the carbine extended on sale from time to time)
FF is kinda overrated anyway for most shooters |
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https://troyind.com/products/delta-mid-length-blk
Easy to install and doesn't need to have anything removed to install. It's just a drop in free float. It is closer to $200 though. |
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I'm not sure if this animal even exists, but I figured if it does, somebody on here would know. I'm looking for a forend that has a FSB cutout that is NOT a free float. Basically, I just want to pop out my midlength MOE and drop this one in. What's your exact setup right now? pics? Last week I went from a 7" free float rail over a carbine gas system with a railed gas block to a low profile gas block and POF free float rail (with new barrel nut) for less than $120... From this: 
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Search "POF Rail" and "Low Profile gas block" on ebay rail was $99 and the gas block was like $12 posted on local facebook groups and found a local guy that let me borrow a wrench and a vise block DONE |
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What's your exact setup right now? pics? Last week I went from a 7" free float rail over a carbine gas system with a railed gas block to a low profile gas block and POF free float rail (with new barrel nut) for less than $120... From this: https://scontent-a-pao.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/960112_300893796738811_1306911768_n.jpg To this: https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1496088_303171226511068_1901248156_o.jpg Search "POF Rail" and "Low Profile gas block" on ebay rail was $99 and the gas block was like $12 posted on local facebook groups and found a local guy that let me borrow a wrench and a vise block DONE Quoted:
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I'm not sure if this animal even exists, but I figured if it does, somebody on here would know. I'm looking for a forend that has a FSB cutout that is NOT a free float. Basically, I just want to pop out my midlength MOE and drop this one in. What's your exact setup right now? pics? Last week I went from a 7" free float rail over a carbine gas system with a railed gas block to a low profile gas block and POF free float rail (with new barrel nut) for less than $120... From this: https://scontent-a-pao.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/960112_300893796738811_1306911768_n.jpg To this: https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1496088_303171226511068_1901248156_o.jpg Search "POF Rail" and "Low Profile gas block" on ebay rail was $99 and the gas block was like $12 posted on local facebook groups and found a local guy that let me borrow a wrench and a vise block DONE Thanks for the info guys. I've emailed a few of these companies to see what they say about fitment. I'd like to keep this under $200 if possible, but in the end, I'll spend what I have to get what I like. Mine is just a M&P MOE. I'm using the Acid Tactical mount. .http:// http:// |
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just buy the utg and be done with it. It will serve your purposes and you wont' have any issues with it. If it were not made in America then I'd say spend more and get the Samson (midway has the carbine extended on sale from time to time) FF is kinda overrated anyway for most shooters Quoted:
just buy the utg and be done with it. It will serve your purposes and you wont' have any issues with it. If it were not made in America then I'd say spend more and get the Samson (midway has the carbine extended on sale from time to time) FF is kinda overrated anyway for most shooters That's carbine length. I did not see a mid;length Quoted:
Daneil Defense has one, and it is actually lighter than the Magpul plastic MOE stock. Mounting a light in front of the front sight is winners too. Especially going over, under, and around barriers. having the light betwen the sights and barrel is awesome http://www.kaneohegs.com/images/daniel_defense_M4Carbine_right_with_surefire_X300_fwd.jpg I REALLY like that, but a little more than I'm looking to spend right now (but not totally out of the question). That would probably convince me to go FF, lol. Quoted:
https://troyind.com/products/delta-mid-length-blk Easy to install and doesn't need to have anything removed to install. It's just a drop in free float. It is closer to $200 though. That looks good, and is getting closer to my price. |
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Quoted: This is the correct thing to do. Quoted: Quoted: Friends don't let friends buy POF. Chop your gas block, Midwest Industries FF of choice, stick a fork in it. Your wallet will be less than $200 lighter. |
| I think for right now, I'm going to try one of these. I like the feel of my MOE handguard, I just wanted something better looking for the light mount. If this this doesn't work out, then I guess I'll bite the bullet and go with a good quality FF handguard. I just don't really like how big most of those are, and you can't tell how they feel over the internet. The MOE fits my hand almost perfect. Thanks for the help. |
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