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Posted: 12/12/2013 8:17:04 AM EDT
| Hey guys, i just ordered a BCM lower and im looking for a upper to slap on it. I am looking at a couple of their mid-length uppers and im looking for some insight. The first upper is the the 16 inch with no hand guard and putting on a MOE hand guard on it and dressing it up with Magpul accessories, the second route is the 16 inch with the DD RIS II, Here are my main questions. Is the cold hammer forged worth the extra $? i like the RIS II because i can put flip up iron sights on it and it removes the FSB mainly, but it is a little bit more pricy. What do you guys recomend to a noob for his second AR? the purpose is always SHTF. |
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Hey guys, i just ordered a BCM lower and im looking for a upper to slap on it. I am looking at a couple of their mid-length uppers and im looking for some insight. The first upper is the the 16 inch with no hand guard and putting on a MOE hand guard on it and dressing it up with Magpul accessories, the second route is the 16 inch with the DD RIS II, Here are my main questions. Is the cold hammer forged worth the extra $? i like the RIS II because i can put flip up iron sights on it and it removes the FSB mainly, but it is a little bit more pricy. What do you guys recomend to a noob for his second AR? the purpose is always SHTF. I think the CHF is the way to go myself, I did this with my 1st BCM upper, went the no hand guard and added a Magpul foregrip and B-5 stock 
I'm using a Spikes lower with PSA LPK and BCM buffer tube. I've toyed with getting a BCM lower but with the sales lately I can do 2 complete lowers for the price of a BCM. I wish BCM offered the CHF on their 16" carbine length uppers, I'd snag one of those too....had to settle for the normal barrel for this one 
Waiting for my PSA BCG's (got 2 one sale last week ) and Magpul rear site to come in. I got the no fore grip one there also and lust used stuff I have here until I decide what I want on it
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| That was another question i had, between the Government and light weight model. I don't have any experience with either. I just want the one that will last me the longest. And those are some very nice looking rifles above. I agree the BCM lowers are a little pricey, im just weird and wanted a complete BCM lol |
| I don't put as many rounds down as most guys on the forum although id like to, i guess its just peace of mind. and the is true about the hand guards except i can order the DD RIS II already installed from BCM an that is nice to me but i get your point. I will have to do some research between the lightweight and government profile barrels. |
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Quoted: Filthy 14 was a non BFH upper and was still doing minute of man past 40,000 rounds. No way!!!!  But, but... that's impossible. Only CHF can last that long.... OP. If you can save $ on the standard BCM barrel offering, go for it. If the marketed improvements that CHF supposedly offers over button rifled barrels are that important to you, get the CHF. Either way, you are getting a high-quality product that will serve you well. |
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I don't put as many rounds down as most guys on the forum although id like to, i guess its just peace of mind. and the is true about the hand guards except i can order the DD RIS II already installed from BCM an that is nice to me but i get your point. I will have to do some research between the lightweight and government profile barrels. Government profile barrel info Read Augee's post. I couldn't find the original post by Coldblue, but this summary by Augee was pretty good. Coldblue was directly involved in the development of the M16A2 . His PROFILE has some info about him. For me, I'll stick with either lightweights (or BCM's new enhanced lightweight) or something like Noveskes medium profile which makes much more sense than government profile. |
| If you can afford it then go with the CHF or as BCM calls it the BFH bbl. I own several of them. If you want to save a few bucks go with the standard 16" mid-length which is what the famous Filthy 14 is. Don't bother with lightweight. If you're AR is too heavy maybe you should give up and take up needlepoint. I'm quite sick of the whole lightweight and ambi trend. Oh and before someone gets their panties in a bunch I've humped an M-16 as well as M60 and M240. |
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If you can afford it then go with the CHF or as BCM calls it the BFH bbl. I own several of them. If you want to save a few bucks go with the standard 16" mid-length which is what the famous Filthy 14 is. Don't bother with lightweight. If you're AR is too heavy maybe you should give up and take up needlepoint. I'm quite sick of the whole lightweight and ambi trend. Oh and before someone gets their panties in a bunch I've humped an M-16 as well as M60 and M240. Was does a government profile do for you better than a lightweight would? Just curious, not looking to start an argument. |
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Quoted: Is there any disadvantages with a 14.5 pin and weld besides not being able to take off the muzzle? I was dead set on a 16 but if the accuracy and reliability are the same i think I'd rather have the 14.5 I haven't found any yet. I have three 14.5 middy's. |
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Is there any disadvantages with a 14.5 pin and weld besides not being able to take off the muzzle? I was dead set on a 16 but if the accuracy and reliability are the same i think I'd rather have the 14.5 The disadvantage is if you later decide you want a different muzzle device or want different rails it's much harder to do. I have a bcm 14.5 carbine government barrel with round 5k rounds. Still shoots great never had a failure. |
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I have a 14.5 with the DD RIS II rail and I love it. The 14.5 is great and well balanced. Rail works just as it should and is very sturdy, plus it looks much better than the MOE handguard in my opinion
Pic: http://i1347.photobucket.com/albums/p705/SlimShooter/IMG_2300_zpsadacae0b.jpg |
| I have three 14.5" BCM's, two mid lengths and a carbine length. All three are very accurate, and all three are non hammer forged barrels, the two mid lengths I'm running SF 556 muzzle breaks on and they are like shooting BB guns. As for the hammer forged barrel vs. not? I asked that question to a fellow who owns a very reputable precision rifle shop here in GA. whom works with barrels every day and who has some ties to people that do very interesting things for the government and the fire arms industry and basicly he said the two barrels will last about as long as each other, and mainly it's the chrome lining that makes the difference. |
| Thanks for the replies everyone and that helps me out a lot about the two barrels, I think I'll go with the standard since they sound about equal. Slim that is an awesome riffle! That's the exact setup I'm looking for. But if the rail is not removable then idk if I want to drop $400 on it. |
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Thanks for the replies everyone and that helps me out a lot about the two barrels, I think I'll go with the standard since they sound about equal. Slim that is an awesome riffle! That's the exact setup I'm looking for. But if the rail is not removable then idk if I want to drop $400 on it. Thanks! I have not tried it, but i don't see any reason the rail wouldn't be removable. Ive heard of people taking off the rail to remove the m203 launcher mounts on the inside of the rail. I could be wrong though. It looks to be fully removable. |
| Lol thanks! It is a very nice rail! And I highly doubt I will ware it out as well but it's a peace of mind thing an I don't have a problem spending little extra cash if it's worth it. I'm going with a mig length, so I'm either going to get one from BCM with a moe or A ris ii, I would like a 14.5 with ris ii as long as I could take the rail off and put it on other guns if needed. |
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Lol thanks! It is a very nice rail! And I highly doubt I will ware it out as well but it's a peace of mind thing an I don't have a problem spending little extra cash if it's worth it. I'm going with a mig length, so I'm either going to get one from BCM with a moe or A ris ii, I would like a 14.5 with ris ii as long as I could take the rail off and put it on other guns if needed. The RIS II requires removal of the flash hider, gas block and barrel nut (proprietary to the RIS II) to remove totally. The barrel nut actually holds the mounting plate of the RIS in place. eta... I would just stick with a delta ring / standard fsb combo and use a quality 2 piece drop in quad rail if your wanting to switch stuff around a bit. |
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The RIS II requires removal of the flash hider, gas block and barrel nut (proprietary to the RIS II) to remove totally. The barrel nut actually holds the mounting plate of the RIS in place. eta... I would just stick with a delta ring / standard fsb combo and use a quality 2 piece drop in quad rail if your wanting to switch stuff around a bit. Quoted:
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Lol thanks! It is a very nice rail! And I highly doubt I will ware it out as well but it's a peace of mind thing an I don't have a problem spending little extra cash if it's worth it. I'm going with a mig length, so I'm either going to get one from BCM with a moe or A ris ii, I would like a 14.5 with ris ii as long as I could take the rail off and put it on other guns if needed. The RIS II requires removal of the flash hider, gas block and barrel nut (proprietary to the RIS II) to remove totally. The barrel nut actually holds the mounting plate of the RIS in place. eta... I would just stick with a delta ring / standard fsb combo and use a quality 2 piece drop in quad rail if your wanting to switch stuff around a bit. As an example, here's my BCM BFH 14.5 with a DD Omega 9.0 rail. You could swap this with other midlengths or swap it out for a Magpul handguard if wanted. 
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