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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - DD vs BCM (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 8/13/2013 9:16:27 PM EDT
| Does anyone have experience with both the DD lightweight midlength and the BCM lightweight midlength CHF barrels. What are the differences? One recommended over the other? |
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Does anyone have experience with both the DD lightweight midlength and the BCM lightweight midlength CHF barrels. What are the differences? One recommended over the other? I'm gonna say.. there pretty damn close to identical.. I have a BCM 14.5 middy.. i'm sure the DD would be the same caliber. Both are stand up companies with quick service and a great reputation... cant go wrong with either. |
| DD customer service is top notch. I had some issues with a MFR 12.0 rail and they replaced it with any rail I wanted, which was a a 12.0 Lite rail. Having said that, if I were to buy an off the shelf rifle, it would be a BCM. BCM CS is also very good and they have more choices. You really can't go wrong with either. |
| I have both and just like the DD more. Can't say why. Fits tighter on one or two of my lowers, but other than that, they are functionally the same beast. I have to say, though, that of the two the DD was costlier, but looks prettier. I didn't have any problems with BCM when receiving my lightweight upper from them, but DD shipped and the package grew legs. I called them up after FedEx couldn't find it and they submitted a claim with FedEx and sent me a new upper (custom) within a few days and without having me jump through a million hoops. Damn good customer service. Go with DD. |
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I'd recommend the standard barrel over the CHF only because cold hammer forging has been around a long time and does not command the premium cost for such an old technology. Plus, I feel the average shooter will not benefit from a CHF barrel over a standard one except to earn cool points on internet forums.
As far as BCM vs DD, just buy whatever's available at the lower price. |
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I have a few BCMs but no DDs yet. BCM has been great.
Having seen years of positive, happy customer feedback about DD, I want to add one to my collection. I've always considered them equals. In this case, coin toss or whichever you can get sooner might be the deciding factor. |
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I have had both....BCM will probably the one to get as they seem to be easier to come by than DD...
Once BCM starts production of their new keymod super light wt rail that would be the tipping point for me anyway and I'll probably add another upper half to the collection. Either barrel works for me just fine. I have a couple of Noveske skinny barrels that are not too shabby either 
But the "Filthy Fourteen" is a pretty impressive get down in the mud kinda rifle. |
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Quoted: Niether go LMT. (MY OPINION) Had both and now only own LMT. OP, either will serve you well for a long, long time. Maybe get both?
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oh? LMT is making lightweight midlengths? Where can I sign up for that! Quoted:
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Niether go LMT. (MY OPINION) Had both and now only own LMT. My LMT CQB MRP is very light weight. |
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BCM, DD, and LMT are all equally and rightfully considered to be among the most reliable AR manufacturers. I'd be curious to hear why, after owning both BCM and DD, you swore them both off for LMT. Having owned all of them myself, they're all great. But whatever. OP, either will serve you well for a long, long time. Maybe get both?
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Niether go LMT. (MY OPINION) Had both and now only own LMT. OP, either will serve you well for a long, long time. Maybe get both?
Yes they are all great rifles its just the LMT has never failed me, I cant say that for the DD or BCM. |
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Niether go LMT. (MY OPINION) Had both and now only own LMT. My LMT CQB MRP is very light weight. I don't know what you consider heavy but I don't have a bunch of junk hanging on mine. |
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Niether go LMT. (MY OPINION) Had both and now only own LMT. My LMT CQB MRP is very light weight. You must have had a different MRP than the two I had. There is no comparison between the weight of an unloaded MRP versus an unloaded DD M4V4 (which is the closest comparable setup, less the monolithic upper), much less versus the M4V4LW. OP, I have six BCMs and seven DDs. I would personally lean towards the DD unless you feel compelled to go 14.5" or want a non-DD rail, in which case BCM will accommodate your preference more readily. |
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Owning both Im kind of under the impression DD might be making the BCM CHF line or atleast were at the time I bought mine. They are very similar in every way including accuracy and preferences in ammo. I notice slightly better accuracy out of my DDs than my BFH BCMs with underpowered ammo like 55 grain PMC Bronze 223. All my DDs also have a tighter fit than my BCMs. |
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Quoted: I don't know what you consider heavy but I don't have a bunch of junk hanging on mine. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Niether go LMT. (MY OPINION) Had both and now only own LMT. My LMT CQB MRP is very light weight. I don't know what you consider heavy but I don't have a bunch of junk hanging on mine. |
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This thread is relevant to my interests. Looks like i'm leaning towards the DD especially since it's 20 bucks cheaper. Rainier Arms has a sweet complete BCM n stock for $1400 Link |
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I don't think so....I would be more inclined to believe they are made by FN for BCM I believe that is nothing but rumor without any evidence. Ever see a FN CHF barrels that isn't nearly double thick chrome lined and isn't made with m249 machine gun steel? And isn't referred to as CHF? |
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I believe that is nothing but rumor without any evidence. Ever see a FN CHF barrels that isn't nearly double thick chrome lined and isn't made with m249 machine gun steel? And isn't referred to as CHF? Quoted:
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I don't think so....I would be more inclined to believe they are made by FN for BCM I believe that is nothing but rumor without any evidence. Ever see a FN CHF barrels that isn't nearly double thick chrome lined and isn't made with m249 machine gun steel? And isn't referred to as CHF? Doesn't FN make a CHF SS barrel? |
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IF ever two companies seemed almost exactly on par, I'd say it's these two.
I now own both and think DD and BCM both rock and are probably the best values for such good stuff (though plenty of $1000 guns turn out to be great values, AND even the $2000 KAC SR15 is a great value if you consider you could replace the sights, stock and trigger with mil-spec stuff and pay $1400 for what is generally considered way better than most $1400 guns that don't come with sights or a fancy trigger--unless you're not into the proprietary bolt). We've all seen the DD torture test and heard how good they've performed over long shooting lives (and I've heard nothing but insanely good CS), AND we've all seen/read about Pat Rogers' experience with BCM in his classes, etc. Get what's in stock and closest to what you want. NOTE: I know others have said it, but I too wish BOTH companies would lay off all the Logos. (I haven't looked close, but I don't even know what that logo says on the front left of my BCM upper--looks like a Lego ad.) |
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I don't think so....I would be more inclined to believe they are made by FN for BCM I believe that is nothing but rumor without any evidence. Ever see a FN CHF barrels that isn't nearly double thick chrome lined and isn't made with m249 machine gun steel? And isn't referred to as CHF? Doesn't FN make a CHF SS barrel? Ahh you got me. Yup FN sure does........ 
If BCM sold CHF SS barrels than that would be a clue as to where they source from. But I don't believe BCM sells CHF SS barrels. (yet another clue). Also should have added that every FN CHF STEEL barrel that I ever seen has a dry matte dark charcoal like finish unlike BCM.s BHF barrel shiny looking finish. I own one Spikes FN CHF and three PSA FN CHF and if I rub the barrels with oil they will still look dry in less than a day. Never heard one iota of evidence that indicates that BCM's HF barrels are in fact sourced from FN. Not that it matters at all to me, but that is how rumors suddenly become fact over the internet. |
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Quoted: I notice slightly better accuracy out of my DDs than my BFH BCMs with underpowered ammo like 55 grain PMC Bronze 223. All my DDs also have a tighter fit than my BCMs. Quoted: Quoted: Owning both Im kind of under the impression DD might be making the BCM CHF line or atleast were at the time I bought mine. They are very similar in every way including accuracy and preferences in ammo. I notice slightly better accuracy out of my DDs than my BFH BCMs with underpowered ammo like 55 grain PMC Bronze 223. All my DDs also have a tighter fit than my BCMs. Do you get 2.5 inch groups with DD then get 2.8 inch groups with BCM at 100 or is it more dramatic with ball ammo? Also how about match ammo? Serious question not trolling, and I'd like others to answer as well if you can. Thanks. ETA: OP I have shot a DD chf gun and a BCM standard out to 300 yards with no issues on man size steal, and that is all the accuracy I need.YMMV. |
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I notice slightly better accuracy out of my DDs than my BFH BCMs with underpowered ammo like 55 grain PMC Bronze 223. All my DDs also have a tighter fit than my BCMs. Quoted:
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Owning both Im kind of under the impression DD might be making the BCM CHF line or atleast were at the time I bought mine. They are very similar in every way including accuracy and preferences in ammo. I notice slightly better accuracy out of my DDs than my BFH BCMs with underpowered ammo like 55 grain PMC Bronze 223. All my DDs also have a tighter fit than my BCMs. That could be the variance in upper receivers and barrel extensions. I'm just sayin what I have noticed in my small sample. Love both brands and could care less who actually makes them. Just that you won't be disappointed with either. I do doubt FN makes the BCM barrels but it has been awhile since I've ordered one so they may well make current production. |
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If I had a DD I wouldn't trade it in for a BCM likewise I have several BCM light wt middies and I would not trade them in for a DD either....
I would not trade my BCM rifles in on a Colt either...I consider my BCM rifles the only rifle of their type I will ever need. |
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Ahh you got me. Yup FN sure does........
If BCM sold CHF SS barrels than that would be a clue as to where they source from. But I don't believe BCM sells CHF SS barrels. (yet another clue). Also should have added that every FN CHF STEEL barrel that I ever seen has a dry matte dark charcoal like finish unlike BCM.s BHF barrel shiny looking finish. I own one Spikes FN CHF and three PSA FN CHF and if I rub the barrels with oil they will still look dry in less than a day. Never heard one iota of evidence that indicates that BCM's HF barrels are in fact sourced from FN. Not that it matters at all to me, but that is how rumors suddenly become fact over the internet. Quoted:
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I don't think so....I would be more inclined to believe they are made by FN for BCM I believe that is nothing but rumor without any evidence. Ever see a FN CHF barrels that isn't nearly double thick chrome lined and isn't made with m249 machine gun steel? And isn't referred to as CHF? Doesn't FN make a CHF SS barrel? Ahh you got me. Yup FN sure does........
If BCM sold CHF SS barrels than that would be a clue as to where they source from. But I don't believe BCM sells CHF SS barrels. (yet another clue). Also should have added that every FN CHF STEEL barrel that I ever seen has a dry matte dark charcoal like finish unlike BCM.s BHF barrel shiny looking finish. I own one Spikes FN CHF and three PSA FN CHF and if I rub the barrels with oil they will still look dry in less than a day. Never heard one iota of evidence that indicates that BCM's HF barrels are in fact sourced from FN. Not that it matters at all to me, but that is how rumors suddenly become fact over the internet. Well you are definitely entitled to your opinion.....I figure since their cut rifle barrels are FN in origin their CHF barrels probably are as well the same source that told me that also told me the CHF are not DD... Last I heard the stainless barrels are are Krieger which I would rather have then hammer forged anyway. Not that it really matters in the scheme of things I guess. |
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Noveske, BCM and DD chrome lined barrels are so close in quality there is no need to labor over which is better-- just go for availability and price. Unless you suppress them according to ADCO the order you listed is the preferred order. I was thinking of getting a DD barrel for my suppressor host. Bad idea? |
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