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Posted: 6/19/2013 8:23:51 PM EDT
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The ACR appeals to me in terms of ergos, low maintenance, and "cool factor." Is it worth the dough? I currently have a Sig M400. Thanks! |
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Thanks dude. My M400 Enhanced is relatively new and has worked well. An ACR has recently become available and the individual in question (who's selling it) claims less maintenance and lubrication. Which, honestly, would be nice (I'm not lazy, but I can thoroughly clean and lubricate 3-5 pistols in the time it takes me to do the same with my AR... Maybe I just suck at it).
I have around 1200 rounds of 5.56 right now, but it's all 55gr or green tip, so my 1:7 twist ain't exactly helping at that weight. BTW, I think this is my second post. Thanks so much guys! |
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Thanks dude. My M400 Enhanced is relatively new and has worked well. An ACR has recently become available and the individual in question (who's selling it) claims less maintenance and lubrication. Which, honestly, would be nice (I'm not lazy, but I can thoroughly clean and lubricate 3-5 pistols in the time it takes me to do the same with my AR... Maybe I just suck at it). I have around 1200 rounds of 5.56 right now, but it's all 55gr or green tip, so my 1:7 twist ain't exactly helping at that weight. BTW, I think this is my second post. Thanks so much guys! 1 in 7" will shoot 55gr fine, don't sweat it. Keep your SigM400 lubed and it will keep running |
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Thanks dude. My M400 Enhanced is relatively new and has worked well. An ACR has recently become available and the individual in question (who's selling it) claims less maintenance and lubrication. Which, honestly, would be nice (I'm not lazy, but I can thoroughly clean and lubricate 3-5 pistols in the time it takes me to do the same with my AR... Maybe I just suck at it). I have around 1200 rounds of 5.56 right now, but it's all 55gr or green tip, so my 1:7 twist ain't exactly helping at that weight. BTW, I think this is my second post. Thanks so much guys! He's claiming that because he's trying to sell it. ARs are boringly reliable. You don't need to white glove clean. Don't waste the time. Keep your bolt and carrier lightly lubricated and feed it decent ammo in good magazines and it will run and run and run...... 1:7 is just fine for the ammo you are shooting. |
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Keep in mind that you are basically on a Ferrari forum telling everyone that you are considering a Lamborghini. What do you think they are going to tell you?...Just a little food for thought. Thanks guys, this is really helpful. ACR sounds like a (relative) fail. It was my birthday yesterday and I treated myself to a new pistol, so I'm good for a bit on blowing the cash on guns. I'll keep training and getting better. I'm still slightly better with pistols (I mean in terms of skill) than rifles and I need to keep working. Being a pistol guy up until the last year or so, it just feels weird to run a gun so wet. But I think my friend might be trying to rip me... Boo. |
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I'd never tell anyone to go for an piston based AR. Lwrc and sig n all make nice rifles but a piston in an ar is silly.
That said. A rifle designed from the ground up as a piston setup is fine. The ACR, however, is pretty over rated. It's costly for what you get. 1-9 twist barrel. Admittedly untested nitrided barrel. Non existent factory barrel support. Heavier then it needs to be (the mil/le only Remington version is 1.8lb lighter). M203 cut barrel. And a totally usless yet great novelty quick change barrel. Can't change grip. Sure you could go with a spikes or custom ACR barrel setup but that's pricy and kinda crazy based off of the stated purpose from bushmaster. I dunno. Just kind of a let down. Edit: I just can't get over the uselessness of the quick change barrel I keep seeing in all the reviews I see of the ACR. You have to re zero anyways so its not really "quick". They will cost so its not alot of money savings and any group or person that would truly benefit from a totally adaptable rifle also has the pockets to have differnt rifles or whole uppers. Lets ignore that a squad or what ever can carry different guns, one guy a dmr two shorts for door kicking. I digress. And the mall ninjas that invision switching from the 12" to the 20" inch cause the mall punk is across the parking lot and his perch atop the mall dictates the need for the extra range the 20 brings, ignoring the fact that optics don't change with the barrel and that means you change the barrel and the optic and that guarantees a shit zero needs to have his dick punched. Fuck punctuation. |
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Thanks for the info. SCAR better? I feel like the "next gen" models are hard to come by here and in the present gun phobic times. I still can't figure out what the SCAR 16 does that an AR doesn't except lighten your wallet more. And induce malfunctions if you run the charging handle into something. They ARE nice rifles but I don't see the advantages for the premium that you pay. This does not apply to the SCAR 17. There's not a better 308 platform IMHO. |
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Thanks for the info. SCAR better? I feel like the "next gen" models are hard to come by here and in the present gun phobic times. I still can't figure out what the SCAR 16 does that an AR doesn't except lighten your wallet more. And induce malfunctions if you run the charging handle into something. They ARE nice rifles but I don't see the advantages for the premium that you pay. This does not apply to the SCAR 17. There's not a better 308 platform IMHO. This is going to be lame, but these forums are fantastic. Thank you so much for the support and information. I guess that I am really just looking to expand my AR15 collection, even though it hurts the wallet. Should I continue with what I've got for a bit (which I'm going to keep my rifle, let's be honest, probably for a long time) or go in on one of these "futuristic carbines?" I like the idea of branching out, but I think it's important to wait for the right time. Thanks! |
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it just feels weird to run a gun so wet. I'll probably catch a mountain of shit for this but I think many people go to the opposite extreme and put way too much lube on their ARs. Too much is better than none, but just right is better still. I was following a very 'tactical' guy through a 3-gun course of fire and scoring his targets. As a matter of habit I picked up his discarded mags as we went, just makes stage reset go faster. The top two rounds in his dropped AR magazine were DRENCHED in oil. This was oil that had creeped/flown/blown off the bolt carrier group. I'm not a rocket surgeon but I know that oils on a cartridge that is supposed to obturate to a chamber are not beneficial. Surely he read somewhere that his bolt carrier group needed to be swimming in CLP. |
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Thanks for the info. SCAR better? I feel like the "next gen" models are hard to come by here and in the present gun phobic times. I still can't figure out what the SCAR 16 does that an AR doesn't except lighten your wallet more. And induce malfunctions if you run the charging handle into something. They ARE nice rifles but I don't see the advantages for the premium that you pay. This does not apply to the SCAR 17. There's not a better 308 platform IMHO. This is going to be lame, but these forums are fantastic. Thank you so much for the support and information. I guess that I am really just looking to expand my AR15 collection, even though it hurts the wallet. Should I continue with what I've got for a bit (which I'm going to keep my rifle, let's be honest, probably for a long time) or go in on one of these "futuristic carbines?" I like the idea of branching out, but I think it's important to wait for the right time. Thanks! Don't just take my word for it. Someone will come along and insist that the SCAR is the best thing ever. And they may not be wrong. I just personally don't see a performance advantage to justify the cost. If I was wealthy I would own a SCAR. But I wouldn't sell my ARs. |
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it just feels weird to run a gun so wet. I'll probably catch a mountain of shit for this but I think many people go to the opposite extreme and put way too much lube on their ARs. Too much is better than none, but just right is better still. I was following a very 'tactical' guy through a 3-gun course of fire and scoring his targets. As a matter of habit I picked up his discarded mags as we went, just makes stage reset go faster. The top two rounds in his dropped AR magazine were DRENCHED in oil. This was oil that had creeped/flown/blown off the bolt carrier group. I'm not a rocket surgeon but I know that oils on a cartridge that is supposed to obturate to a chamber are not beneficial. Surely he read somewhere that his bolt carrier group needed to be swimming in CLP. Haha fair enough. I'm not even close enough to be able to compete yet, and I need some continued experienced with the AR style rifles before I became proficient. I feel like a lot of guys think they are awesome, but I know I'm not. Modesty and acceptance are key I think. I just want a couple of options when it comes to rifles. I only own the one -- the Sig which works well. I've got a Leupold Mark AR Mod 1 1.5-4 on it. Works great. Just trying to branch out. Touched an ACR once. Felt good. But good to get informed opinions. My family didn't believe in guns after an incident in the mountains of Eastern Kentucky, where a family pet was accidentally killed (all parties were acting responsibly, just a freak accident). So, I've had to teach myself through my 20s. |
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Your Sig M400 can take a standard Ar upper, so just buy yourself a three gun prepared upper and slap it on your lower and practice with it. Find a lower you like and start building up a lower for competitions when you find deals/sales and when ready assemble it and have your second rifle that will be your comp rifle. So find a Noveske chainsaw lower, then buy a Geissele trigger SSA-E or the like, get a stock you like, ect......
Saves you some cash to buy ammo or a rifle class. |
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The ACR had massive promise but became a goat cluster. The anti-geniuses at MasterIngton could theoretically discoitusize the rifle pretty effectively, but they show no inclination or apparent desire to do so.
All the "new" design rifles are very overpriced for what you get, unless there is something specific you are looking for. If you were a lefty for example I can see where you might give a look to a SCAR, ACR, ARX100, etc. Personally I'd probably pick the SCAR but each has plusses and minuses. For the cost of one of the "new" rifles though you could have two pretty nice ARs, or a basic AR and a really nice AR. External piston attachments on the AR15 design are a bad idea for a host of reasons, other than they're very effective at separating people from their cash. The new Sig Halo is the way piston upper should be done in an AR. And at least they give you more than 6 inches of handguard. We'll wait and see if it actually works. |
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SCAR is the best thing eveh.....
The SCAR is the end all, but is pricey and cost is always a factor. When you buy a quality AR with all the features a SCAR has, you are around the same price. The ACR is a novelty I think. It had promise, but that has not been fulfilled. And Bushmaster doesn't seem interested in supporting the platform. I love my SCAR but not because it has a piston, Ive never had an issue with DI guns. The ACR does have a "cool factor" to gamers and guys that have not ran them seriously. You'll be the center of attention at your local 25 yard gun range, however you will be quietly shunned and giggled at when you take your first 2 day carbine course. |
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The biggest question I always ask folks thinking about buying a gun is: are you more of a shooter, or more of a collector? There is a massive amount of overlap between the two categories, of course, but many tend to fall more on one side than the other. I personally have tried to be collector and have owned everything from ARs to SR25s to FALs to FS2000s and everything in between. But it turns out I am more of a shooter than a collector, so all my rifles are now ARs. Almost all of the unknowns have been systematically stamped out of the AR platform, parts are easy to get, ergos are just about right, and the manual of arms is very well understood. Plus, you can go hog-wild with "different" and still remain compatible with standard AR parts... Side charging uppers, enhanced bolts, crazy-looking lowers, handguards of every shape and size and material, bizarro stocks, and on and on. And just look at what folks are coming up with in the form of printable lower receivers.
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Shooter. I recently bought a Kimber Super Carry HD Custom and it is one of the most beautiful weapons I have ever seen. I may now be scared to shoot it.
I guess I like the ACR design and I dig that you don't have to run it so wet. Sounds like there are better options. I really appreciate the feedback, guys. |
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Thanks for the info. SCAR better? I feel like the "next gen" models are hard to come by here and in the present gun phobic times. I still can't figure out what the SCAR 16 does that an AR doesn't except lighten your wallet more. And induce malfunctions if you run the charging handle into something. They ARE nice rifles but I don't see the advantages for the premium that you pay. This does not apply to the SCAR 17. There's not a better 308 platform IMHO. That's a pretty retarded statement, that's like saying the AK is not a reliable weapon because it also has a reciprocating charging handle. People that actually shoot the Scar don't have that problem.. |
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Thanks for the info. SCAR better? I feel like the "next gen" models are hard to come by here and in the present gun phobic times. I still can't figure out what the SCAR 16 does that an AR doesn't except lighten your wallet more. And induce malfunctions if you run the charging handle into something. They ARE nice rifles but I don't see the advantages for the premium that you pay. This does not apply to the SCAR 17. There's not a better 308 platform IMHO. This is going to be lame, but these forums are fantastic. Thank you so much for the support and information. I guess that I am really just looking to expand my AR15 collection, even though it hurts the wallet. Should I continue with what I've got for a bit (which I'm going to keep my rifle, let's be honest, probably for a long time) or go in on one of these "futuristic carbines?" I like the idea of branching out, but I think it's important to wait for the right time. Thanks! If you want to branch out, get an AK or something in 308. In the end I really don't see the point in spending a whole lot more than an AR if it is still just a 5.56. |
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