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Posted: 6/12/2013 5:32:10 AM EDT
| I have a HSA I'm wanting to upgrade the trigger to something with a light smooth pull that breaks like glass. Suggestions? |
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I just got the SD-E for my rifle and while I haven't shot ammo through it yet there is a huge difference.
1st stage - smooth pull with no bumps in the road until you hit a wall....that's the 2nd stage. 2nd stage - a little more pressure and it breaks....no more trigger travel before it breaks...just a little more pressure. Feels like glass breaking....or that's the best way I can think to describe it. I think total pull weight is like 3.5-4.00 lbs total. 2.5 lbs 1st stage, 1 lb second stage.......something like that. It's on the geissele web sit. I only expect it to feel even better with live ammo. |
| I typically suggest the standard Geisselle SSA (or SD-C if you like the flat trigger face). I think the "enhanced" triggers are too light for general use. I had a super light trigger on my AK and it bordered unsafe esp if you are not going to be the only person shooting the rifle. 4.5lb is a good weight for an AR trigger IMO. |
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Not one of the 3g ones, they are awesome, but do not break like glass. The 2nd stage on all the two stages ones does break like glass, but they are a two stage trigger. They aren't like a 1911 trigger or the timney in my precision rig. For the price I'd check out the G2S first.
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Having grown up with the M1 Garand, I'm a big believer in the military 2-stage trigger.
You have an initial pull of around 2-1/2 pounds or so, then you feel a stop. Continue adding about 2 more pounds of pressure and you will get no movement before the break, but the let-off will be crisp and clean. If at any time you make the decision not to shoot, just ease off on the pressure, and when you resume you will have to pull through the first stage as well. The secret to really using a 2-stage trigger is not to jump off the trigger after each shot. If you are going to fire repeated shots you should hold the trigger back until the rifle is finished recoiling and you re-acquire the target, then just ease off until the second stage resets. Then you just have to pull through the 2-pound second stage. But you MUST pull all the way through the second stage. If you arrest your pull when the shot breaks you have the possibility of holding the trigger right at the break point, and you may get a "bump fire". My son's AR-10, with an Armalite NM trigger, ripped off a 3-shot burst on him because he was used to shooting bolt guns and was milking the trigger. He went home and put in a standard single-stage trigger. It took me a while to get him to put the match trigger back in, but after he learned to follow through he now loves it. |
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No matter what type of trigger you decide on, be cautious of getting a trigger that is reported to need a few 100 rounds to break in.
Some people think they are saving money to buy something like an RRA NM 2 stage or the CMMG at about $100. But even at reload prices of just $0.20 per round, you still pay $60 more to get it "usable". At factory prices of $0.50/round, you are spendng an addtional $150 to get it "broken in". For that money, a Geissele, Timney, KAC, or other "real" match trigger is close, or even 'less' than the economy trigger when you add in the amount of rounds it needs to get "broke in" to provide match performance ........ that almost assuredly will not be as good. IMHO, when buying a trigger, decdide on what type you want, then spend the smart money up front to get "out of box" top level performance. |
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Lessee.... I've used JP, Jard, Timney, Chip McCormick and Giesselle, but my favoritest of all is the American Trigger Company AR Gold. It works so good in my AR-15 that I'm about to replace the Timney in my RRA LAR-8 with their SR-Gold.
Very light (as in nearly nonexistant) first stage and extremely clean break on the second stage with a miniscule reset. YMMV, but the best of the bunch IMHO |
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Keep in mind the super smooth and light triggers are great for competition and precision, but if your rifle is not for it, it's really, really unsafe. I pulled my SSA-E off and went with something heavier after nearly having an unintentional discharge. What is this? nearly having an unintentional discharge How do you know it if it didn't discharge? Are you psychic, or just afraid of your lack of skill with the trigger. First time I ever heard this phrase. "nearly having an unintentional discharge" An AD is one thing. Almost having one to me is. 
I use Geissele S3GE triggers on at least 5 weapons. 2 .308's, 3 5.56 Love that flat bow, and light trigger with the short reset. Once you learn how to use them, you'll be spoiled. 
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Keep in mind the super smooth and light triggers are great for competition and precision, but if your rifle is not for it, it's really, really unsafe. I pulled my SSA-E off and went with something heavier after nearly having an unintentional discharge. I've had an unintentional with my SSA-E that I had in a carbine course. The rifle was pointed in a safe direction and I was firing it but it literally doubled on me without me intending to do so and I fired two rounds instead of one. Not a good feeling. After that I resigned the SSA-E to a bench gun. |
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Quoted: Guns do tend to go off when you pull the trigger. Quoted: Keep in mind the super smooth and light triggers are great for competition and precision, but if your rifle is not for it, it's really, really unsafe. I pulled my SSA-E off and went with something heavier after nearly having an unintentional discharge. I've had an unintentional with my SSA-E that I had in a carbine course. The rifle was pointed in a safe direction and I was firing it but it literally doubled on me without me intending to do so and I fired two rounds instead of one. Not a good feeling. After that I resigned the SSA-E to a bench gun. |
| If you want a custom 1911 trigger in your AR, get an AR Gold. If you want a single stage trigger with a very short pull and reset that is custom fit to your lower, get a JP. If you want a traditional feel 2-stage, get a Geissele SSA-E, SD-E, or Hi-Speed. If you want to get a good value for a significant trigger upgrade, get a CMC. |
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