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Posted: 10/9/2020 12:24:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tigwelder1971: Thanks. For some reason I had in my mind that it was right around the same time as waffle stock issue, (late '01-early '02)? I know that they were issued for a spell but didn't know that it was as late as 2011. Always thought those would have been the second gen without the fat body. You have the time something was made and then you have the time something was in use. There are still the old M4 stocks in even though they haven't been made since 2002. Older accessories are possible but newer ones aren't. A 2001 era M4 definitely wouldn't have a retained screw RAS, thin body M951, etc. |
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Posted: 10/9/2020 12:36:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: tweeter]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Conner378: Took a NOS mark 4 CQ/T out of the box for the Block 1. https://i.postimg.cc/g06HrrXf/134-B3083-CDF8-4076-963-C-7-D70-E6771-A0-F.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/26QdFJxG/418-B95-B4-59-EE-4-AB9-B38-A-DF12-E81-D5-C6-E.jpg that gun screams 2003 Mosul. eta: except for the light @Conner378 throw an M951 on there and it'll be straight-up Mosul 2003/Phantom Fury |
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Posted: 10/9/2020 1:00:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate: You have the time something was made and then you have the time something was in use. There are still the old M4 stocks in even though they haven't been made since 2002. Older accessories are possible but newer ones aren't. A 2001 era M4 definitely wouldn't have a retained screw RAS, thin body M951, etc. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate: Originally Posted By Tigwelder1971: Thanks. For some reason I had in my mind that it was right around the same time as waffle stock issue, (late '01-early '02)? I know that they were issued for a spell but didn't know that it was as late as 2011. Always thought those would have been the second gen without the fat body. You have the time something was made and then you have the time something was in use. There are still the old M4 stocks in even though they haven't been made since 2002. Older accessories are possible but newer ones aren't. A 2001 era M4 definitely wouldn't have a retained screw RAS, thin body M951, etc. Yeah, saw this at Eglin AFB a couple years ago. Security forces with beat to shit M4s wearing Comp M2s and RIS handguards. Was just a bit surprised that their were enough around almost 10 yrs later to issue but that's a civvie brain at work. 
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Posted: 10/9/2020 2:28:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tigwelder1971: Thanks. For some reason I had in my mind that it was right around the same time as waffle stock issue, (late '01-early '02)? I know that they were issued for a spell but didn't know that it was as late as 2011. Always thought those would have been the second gen without the fat body. I should have clarified. The original 2003 issued 951 was STILL issued to me in 2011 till I traded it for a 600U. But remember, after I turned it in, Supply could still issue it out to a support guy even today unless they were forced to turn the item back to HHQ. |
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Posted: 10/9/2020 2:33:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By imdBman: I should have clarified. The original 2003 issued 951 was STILL issued to me in 2011 till I traded it for a 600U. But remember, after I turned it in, Supply could still issue it out to a support guy even today unless they were forced to turn the item back to HHQ. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By imdBman: Originally Posted By Tigwelder1971: Thanks. For some reason I had in my mind that it was right around the same time as waffle stock issue, (late '01-early '02)? I know that they were issued for a spell but didn't know that it was as late as 2011. Always thought those would have been the second gen without the fat body. I should have clarified. The original 2003 issued 951 was STILL issued to me in 2011 till I traded it for a 600U. But remember, after I turned it in, Supply could still issue it out to a support guy even today unless they were forced to turn the item back to HHQ. Gotcha. Thanks man. |
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Posted: 10/9/2020 2:43:42 PM EDT
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If I ever get a nt4, I’ll have a pretty good marsoc clone. Might need to build another upper.
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Posted: 10/10/2020 3:39:10 PM EDT
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CA, USA
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Posted: 10/12/2020 3:16:13 AM EDT
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When I first bought my PSA AR kit, I had no idea that $500 purchase will lead me to a path of... cloning. Thanks to this site and this thread, I have learn so much! I sold my PSA upper to help fund my new clone obession. Hope my parts arrive soon so I can start posting pics for feedbacks.
My goal is Block 1 or 1.5. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 10/12/2020 8:15:12 AM EDT
[#9]
May the clone gods have mercy on your wallet.
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Posted: 10/12/2020 9:55:40 AM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMCctx: May the clone gods have mercy on your wallet. Lol. At least a block 1 build isn't too bad. When it turns into block 2 or mre or mk12... well good luck. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 10/12/2020 10:20:00 AM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wissota4: Lol. At least a block 1 build isn't too bad. When it turns into block 2 or mre or mk12... well good luck. Block 1 is a gateway clone. |
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Posted: 10/12/2020 10:23:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMCctx: Block 1 is a gateway clone. This is very true |
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Posted: 10/12/2020 1:01:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wissota4: This is very true Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wissota4: Originally Posted By CMCctx: Block 1 is a gateway clone. This is very true which is weird, because I don't have a copy of a block 1 |
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Posted: 10/12/2020 1:43:46 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tweeter: which is weird, because I don't have a copy of a block 1 I am right there with you. Its on my wishlist but not able to get it done right now. |
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Posted: 10/12/2020 4:45:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tweeter: which is weird, because I don't have a copy of a block 1 I started with blk 1 cause cheap and wanted a copy of my mws m4. Then it turned into block 2s |
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Posted: 10/12/2020 5:47:17 PM EDT
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I built a Block 1 as clone correct as I could, but that is enough for me since my main goal is a proven military grade weapon and accessories that can handle the upcoming Boog chaos. Only thing I wish I had different is an ACOG but it's just too much coin for me to spend at this time.
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Posted: 10/12/2020 5:54:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Guntoter: I built a Block 1 as clone correct as I could, but that is enough for me since my main goal is a proven military grade weapon and accessories that can handle the upcoming Boog chaos. Only thing I wish I had different is an ACOG but it's just too much coin for me to spend at this time. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/137/right_straight_jpg-1632666.JPG I used to shy away from the ACOG simply because of the price. Now that I have one, I am already saving up for two more. I've seen the light. |
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Posted: 10/12/2020 6:23:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMCctx: I used to shy away from the ACOG simply because of the price. Now that I have one, I am already saving up for two more. I've seen the light. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 10/12/2020 6:40:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Badger52: I thought like this before I got mine. I don't regret it at all. Don't have a bunch of rifles but the one that has a role needing magnification gets the ACOG. I dipped a toe into LPVO territory and tried some on but, honestly, 15 oz. including mount is pretty damned cool. Can't beat it. I doubt I'll get this lucky again, but mine is perfect. I've seen people tape up the fiber optic because of bloomage in the reticle. In low light the tritium works perfectly, and in direct Texas summer sun the reticle is still crisp. |
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Posted: 10/12/2020 9:17:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMCctx: I doubt I'll get this lucky again, but mine is perfect. I've seen people tape up the fiber optic because of bloomage in the reticle. In low light the tritium works perfectly, and in direct Texas summer sun the reticle is still crisp. As long as I'm in this thread (and probably shouldn't), is that orig RIS carbine handguard for the Block I still available from anyone? |
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Posted: 10/13/2020 12:24:08 AM EDT
[Last Edit: tweeter]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMCctx: I doubt I'll get this lucky again, but mine is perfect. I've seen people tape up the fiber optic because of bloomage in the reticle. In low light the tritium works perfectly, and in direct Texas summer sun the reticle is still crisp. 2-inch tape rocks for the fiber. you can peel it back to make it brighter as it gets darker taping a 1-inch light stick to the fiber is the cat's pajamas for working in the dark |
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Posted: 10/13/2020 9:49:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tweeter: 2-inch tape rocks for the fiber. you can peel it back to make it brighter as it gets darker taping a 1-inch light stick to the fiber is the cat's pajamas for working in the dark That doesn't make it super bright? |
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Posted: 10/13/2020 10:52:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wissota4: That doesn't make it super bright? For some.im sure it may, but if your tritium is dead or dying it's better than nothing. When mine starts to fade that's what I intend to do. I saw a while back someone made a removable kydex hood with a 2" glow stick recess to clip on and off easily. That's the route I'm going. |
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Posted: 10/13/2020 12:15:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wissota4: That doesn't make it super bright? some of the fibers are more efficient than others. not sure why, it could be cracking or frosting. not sure why but there are differences you can also halfway obscure the chemlight with tape of it's too bright it's all preference really, just throwing out options |
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Posted: 10/17/2020 2:01:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: LsuJon]
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Reunited with the PR. All uppers are with their original lowers and I found out g33 and matechs arnt compatible. Guess I'm in the hunt for a new BUIS.
edit: actually got the latch to close on the g33. Took some wiggling around. Clearance between that and the range selection knob is practically non existent.  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/18/2020 4:59:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: Reunited with the PR. All uppers are with their original lowers and I found out g33 and matechs arnt compatible. Guess I'm in the hunt for a new BUIS. edit: actually got the latch to close on the g33. Took some wiggling around. Clearance between that and the range selection knob is practically non existent. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/316069/8AC42EFF-68BB-44C0-9601-5C6F8C6CE8EE_jpe-1640572.JPG I was going to say people use that set up all the time. 
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Posted: 10/23/2020 11:54:41 AM EDT
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PR
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Posted: 10/24/2020 6:34:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Maddy21]
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Quote HistoryThese PR builds are great. This is as close as I can get right now. Light stolen from my block II.  |
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Posted: 10/25/2020 8:22:06 AM EDT
[#29]
WTF is a “PR”
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Posted: 10/25/2020 8:25:40 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Skrapmetal]
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Guntoter: WTF is a “PR” Phased Replacement. Think a Block I that has some of the strapped-on Block II bells and whistles but hasn't been to the armorer to get the rail replaced yet. |
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Posted: 10/25/2020 5:08:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Skrapmetal: Phased Replacement. Think a Block I that has some of the strapped-on Block II bells and whistles but hasn't been to the armorer to get the rail replaced yet. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Skrapmetal: Originally Posted By Guntoter: WTF is a “PR” Phased Replacement. Think a Block I that has some of the strapped-on Block II bells and whistles but hasn't been to the armorer to get the rail replaced yet. Ah, cool, thanks. Would using the Matech 600 meter rear sight and a SOPMOD (B5) stock change a Block 1 to a PR? Still using an M68 (PRO with the M68 mount and cap tether), Surefire M951 and KAC forward grip. |
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Posted: 10/25/2020 5:29:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Guntoter: Ah, cool, thanks. Would using the Matech 600 meter rear sight and a SOPMOD (B5) stock change a Block 1 to a PR? Still using an M68 (PRO with the M68 mount and cap tether), Surefire M951 and KAC forward grip. |
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Posted: 10/25/2020 5:36:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: I would say no. The main distinction of PRs from block 1 is in my opinion, the optic and laser. So eotechs, elcans and peq15s/la5s. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: Originally Posted By Guntoter: Ah, cool, thanks. Would using the Matech 600 meter rear sight and a SOPMOD (B5) stock change a Block 1 to a PR? Still using an M68 (PRO with the M68 mount and cap tether), Surefire M951 and KAC forward grip. The SOPMOD stock was introduced in the original SOPMOD package and would be considered part of the initial/Block 1 program. PR also included a change in VLI's (Visible Light Illuminator/weapon light). |
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Posted: 10/25/2020 6:05:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Minuteman1636: The SOPMOD stock was introduced in the original SOPMOD package and would be considered part of the initial/Block 1 program. PR also included a change in VLI's (Visible Light Illuminator/weapon light). |
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Posted: 10/25/2020 7:52:04 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: Thanks I should've included that also. The su-233 (m3x) and later the wmx200. I find it interesting that a complete replacement hasn't been chosen for the wmx200. Atleast to my knowledge and someone more in the know might know. I spoke to L3 and they said no more WMX and its not even a product in L3/Insight inventory. I don't recall any other manufacturer making it either so idk. |
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Posted: 10/25/2020 10:08:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brodband8: I spoke to L3 and they said no more WMX and its not even a product in L3/Insight inventory. I don't recall any other manufacturer making it either so idk. |
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Posted: 10/26/2020 12:34:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: shadeone]
[#37]
 Fixed some things since I last posted this a few months ago... - PSA M4A1 lower - PSA 16" M4 kit - Barrel chopped to 14.7", re-profiled and re-parkerized - Flash hider pinned and welded - Colt side sling swivel - Colt M4 stock - KAC RAS with SAS bottom rail - KAC VFG - Colt grip - Colt safety selector - Matech BUIS - Aimpoint Comp M2 with spare battery holder - QRP Aimpoint mount - OKAY mag |
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Posted: 10/26/2020 5:10:18 PM EDT
[#38]
Just a heads up, KAC ambi selectors on the SAC page this a.m.
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Posted: 10/26/2020 6:29:17 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By shadeone: https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/1965/Uq07ur.jpg Fixed some things since I last posted this a few months ago... - PSA M4A1 lower - PSA 16" M4 kit - Barrel chopped to 14.7", re-profiled and re-parkerized - Flash hider pinned and welded - Colt side sling swivel - Colt M4 stock - KAC RAS with SAS bottom rail - KAC VFG - Colt grip - Colt safety selector - Matech BUIS - Aimpoint Comp M2 with spare battery holder - QRP Aimpoint mount - OKAY mag Nice MWS clone and picture. It could do without the SAS rail though. I'd put an earlier RAS and M951 on there. |
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Posted: 10/26/2020 6:45:32 PM EDT
[#40]
I'll take the SAS rail off of your hands!
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Posted: 10/26/2020 7:10:08 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMCctx: I'll take the SAS rail off of your hands! I also like the SAS bottom rail, gives a really tight lock up. |
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Posted: 10/27/2020 9:19:37 AM EDT
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Went with the SAS lower because I hate rattles on things... Also, the only noticeable difference is the set screw on the bottom and I can live with that being "incorrect". Also, the price for a complete new set with the RAS lower, VFG and panels when I got it was a lot cheaper than a beat up / used normal RIS anywhere
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Posted: 10/29/2020 3:55:17 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/29/2020 4:17:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: MrRecon]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mlin: https://i.imgur.com/MbVnpgu.jpg I memba. Edit: Whoops, pic thread: 
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Posted: 10/30/2020 6:32:30 PM EDT
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BA barrel came in today. kac spacer-16" length, and then it will go on the PSA M4 lower.
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Posted: 11/1/2020 4:51:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/16/2020 4:41:34 PM EDT
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Wasn't going to run through all 191 pages to see if it's already here, but thought this thread as an appropriate place for this pic.
Chris Miller; unknown if this is before or after he & his team came to help ODA574 after the friendly-fire incident. Not a clone-doer but that looks a lot like a plain-old 2001 Block I to me. (?) I happened to dig this up for another matter, as he is now: Christopher C. Miller Acting SECDEF 
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Posted: 11/16/2020 10:36:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Sn8kplissken]
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Posted: 11/20/2020 7:12:45 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/20/2020 7:35:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate: Does anyone know where I can get an older Colt M4 stock (pre P&S/CAGE style)? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/138579/sa52402_jpg-1693577.JPG I have one in the EE with some other Block 1/GWOT stuff. PM me. |
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