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Posted: 10/24/2012 5:01:52 AM EDT
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Note which side of mag top round is on.
Insert mag. Charge weapon. Remove mag. Observe whether top round is still on original side or opposite. If same side, round did not chamber. If opposite, you have a round in chamber. No need to dink with charging handle or forward assist. |
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Note which side of mag top round is on. Insert mag. Charge weapon. Remove mag. Observe whether top round is still on original side or opposite. If same side, round did not chamber. If opposite, you have a round in chamber. No need to dink with charging handle or forward assist. Rube Goldberg has spoken. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Note which side of mag top round is on. Insert mag. Charge weapon. Remove mag. Observe whether top round is still on original side or opposite. If same side, round did not chamber. If opposite, you have a round in chamber. No need to dink with charging handle or forward assist. Rube Goldberg has spoken. Why is this even a question? Do you all have rifles that occasionally do not chamber a round? |
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Note which side of mag top round is on. Insert mag. Charge weapon. Remove mag. Observe whether top round is still on original side or opposite. If same side, round did not chamber. If opposite, you have a round in chamber. No need to dink with charging handle or forward assist. Rube Goldberg has spoken. Why is this even a question? Do you all have rifles that occasionally do not chamber a round? Sometimes the mag is not loaded properly, sometimes it is not seated properly, sometimes you simply can't remember or don't want to trust your memory about loading a round. A press check is quick, painless, near silent, and the internet and "training" world aversion to it in some circles (usually related to clinging to an anti-forward assist position) is simply absurd. |
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Note which side of mag top round is on. Insert mag. Charge weapon. Remove mag. Observe whether top round is still on original side or opposite. If same side, round did not chamber. If opposite, you have a round in chamber. No need to dink with charging handle or forward assist. Rube Goldberg has spoken. Why is this even a question? Do you all have rifles that occasionally do not chamber a round? Sometimes the mag is not loaded properly, sometimes it is not seated properly, sometimes you simply can't remember or don't want to trust your memory about loading a round. A press check is quick, painless, near silent, and the internet and "training" world aversion to it in some circles (usually related to clinging to an anti-forward assist position) is simply absurd. I am not opposed to press checks in the least, in fact, I train my students to use them. There are several reasons that checking the mag is more practical: Some depts are using DRMO hand-me-downs that have no forward assist. You cannot always see inside the breech, and I challenge you to hold the BCG partially open with one hand and stick a finger in there with the other to feel for a round. You can take the mag out and feel which side the round is on, even in the dark. No risk of being high on adrenaline and jacking the round out that you initially intended to inspect. This is a simple advantage to using a weapon with a double-stack, staggered-feed magazine...Why not exploit it? (In the interest of full disclosure, I am of the opinion that the forward assist is unnecessary though). |
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Note which side of mag top round is on. Insert mag. Charge weapon. Remove mag. Observe whether top round is still on original side or opposite. If same side, round did not chamber. If opposite, you have a round in chamber. No need to dink with charging handle or forward assist. Rube Goldberg has spoken. Why is this even a question? Do you all have rifles that occasionally do not chamber a round? Sometimes the mag is not loaded properly, sometimes it is not seated properly, sometimes you simply can't remember or don't want to trust your memory about loading a round. A press check is quick, painless, near silent, and the internet and "training" world aversion to it in some circles (usually related to clinging to an anti-forward assist position) is simply absurd. I am not opposed to press checks in the least, in fact, I train my students to use them. There are several reasons that checking the mag is more practical: Some depts are using DRMO hand-me-downs that have no forward assist. You cannot always see inside the breech, and I challenge you to hold the BCG partially open with one hand and stick a finger in there with the other to feel for a round. You can take the mag out and feel which side the round is on, even in the dark. No risk of being high on adrenaline and jacking the round out that you initially intended to inspect. This is a simple advantage to using a weapon with a double-stack, staggered-feed magazine...Why not exploit it? (In the interest of full disclosure, I am of the opinion that the forward assist is unnecessary though). But if you can't remember or don't trust your memory if you loaded a round, how the heck are you going to remember which side of the mag it was on! |
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Note which side of mag top round is on. Insert mag. Charge weapon. Remove mag. Observe whether top round is still on original side or opposite. If same side, round did not chamber. If opposite, you have a round in chamber. No need to dink with charging handle or forward assist. ^ This is the best method. Recommended by Kyle Lamb with VTAC as well. I personally have had issues with function after pulling the CH back and using the F/A. I have also seen guys at 3gun matches use the CH method as well and suffer cycling issues from the get go. |
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Note which side of mag top round is on. Insert mag. Charge weapon. Remove mag. Observe whether top round is still on original side or opposite. If same side, round did not chamber. If opposite, you have a round in chamber. No need to dink with charging handle or forward assist. Rube Goldberg has spoken. Why is this even a question? Do you all have rifles that occasionally do not chamber a round? Sometimes the mag is not loaded properly, sometimes it is not seated properly, sometimes you simply can't remember or don't want to trust your memory about loading a round. A press check is quick, painless, near silent, and the internet and "training" world aversion to it in some circles (usually related to clinging to an anti-forward assist position) is simply absurd. I am not opposed to press checks in the least, in fact, I train my students to use them. There are several reasons that checking the mag is more practical: Some depts are using DRMO hand-me-downs that have no forward assist. You cannot always see inside the breech, and I challenge you to hold the BCG partially open with one hand and stick a finger in there with the other to feel for a round. You can take the mag out and feel which side the round is on, even in the dark. No risk of being high on adrenaline and jacking the round out that you initially intended to inspect. This is a simple advantage to using a weapon with a double-stack, staggered-feed magazine...Why not exploit it? (In the interest of full disclosure, I am of the opinion that the forward assist is unnecessary though). But if you can't remember or don't trust your memory if you loaded a round, how the heck are you going to remember which side of the mag it was on! A fully loaded, even capacity mag, will always have the round on the right side of the mag (bullets pointing forward like in the weapon). Also, why guys who do download to 28rds goes to 28 not 29. |
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Note which side of mag top round is on. Insert mag. Charge weapon. Remove mag. Observe whether top round is still on original side or opposite. If same side, round did not chamber. If opposite, you have a round in chamber. No need to dink with charging handle or forward assist. Rube Goldberg has spoken. Why is this even a question? Do you all have rifles that occasionally do not chamber a round? Sometimes the mag is not loaded properly, sometimes it is not seated properly, sometimes you simply can't remember or don't want to trust your memory about loading a round. A press check is quick, painless, near silent, and the internet and "training" world aversion to it in some circles (usually related to clinging to an anti-forward assist position) is simply absurd. I am not opposed to press checks in the least, in fact, I train my students to use them. There are several reasons that checking the mag is more practical: Some depts are using DRMO hand-me-downs that have no forward assist. You cannot always see inside the breech, and I challenge you to hold the BCG partially open with one hand and stick a finger in there with the other to feel for a round. You can take the mag out and feel which side the round is on, even in the dark. No risk of being high on adrenaline and jacking the round out that you initially intended to inspect. This is a simple advantage to using a weapon with a double-stack, staggered-feed magazine...Why not exploit it? (In the interest of full disclosure, I am of the opinion that the forward assist is unnecessary though). But if you can't remember or don't trust your memory if you loaded a round, how the heck are you going to remember which side of the mag it was on! You do it the same way every time, without exception. Always keep the top round on the right when you first load. That ensures you don't have 31 rounds in the mag (which prevents seating with a closed bolt). |
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Note which side of mag top round is on. Insert mag. Charge weapon. Remove mag. Observe whether top round is still on original side or opposite. If same side, round did not chamber. If opposite, you have a round in chamber. No need to dink with charging handle or forward assist. Rube Goldberg has spoken. Why is this even a question? Do you all have rifles that occasionally do not chamber a round? Sometimes the mag is not loaded properly, sometimes it is not seated properly, sometimes you simply can't remember or don't want to trust your memory about loading a round. A press check is quick, painless, near silent, and the internet and "training" world aversion to it in some circles (usually related to clinging to an anti-forward assist position) is simply absurd. I am not opposed to press checks in the least, in fact, I train my students to use them. There are several reasons that checking the mag is more practical: Some depts are using DRMO hand-me-downs that have no forward assist. You cannot always see inside the breech, and I challenge you to hold the BCG partially open with one hand and stick a finger in there with the other to feel for a round. You can take the mag out and feel which side the round is on, even in the dark. No risk of being high on adrenaline and jacking the round out that you initially intended to inspect. This is a simple advantage to using a weapon with a double-stack, staggered-feed magazine...Why not exploit it? (In the interest of full disclosure, I am of the opinion that the forward assist is unnecessary though). But if you can't remember or don't trust your memory if you loaded a round, how the heck are you going to remember which side of the mag it was on! A fully loaded, even capacity mag, will always have the round on the right side of the mag (bullets pointing forward like in the weapon). Also, why guys who do download to 28rds goes to 28 not 29. Pretty sure the new tan follower GI mags the .mil is issuing are the opposite... |
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Ok ok ok, put selector into "safe" position.
1-Pull charging handle slightly rearward to retract bolt carrier. 2-Look for brass and/or put index finger into ejection port opening to feel for brass in chamber. 3-Let charging handle return forward to close bolt. 4-Either tap forward assist or use index finger to press bolt carrier forward using the half moon shaped cutout exposed in the open ejection port. 5-Close dust cover. How hard can it be? 
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The magpul dynamics guys gave me a mountain of shit for my technique of "Pull charging handle. Observe one round coming out, and another one going in.". 
They eventually beat the proper technique into my thick skull. (pull charging handle until you can touch the round through the ejection port. Then use the forward assist.) |
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Note which side of mag top round is on. Insert mag. Charge weapon. Remove mag. Observe whether top round is still on original side or opposite. If same side, round did not chamber. If opposite, you have a round in chamber. No need to dink with charging handle or forward assist. Rube Goldberg has spoken. Why is this even a question? Do you all have rifles that occasionally do not chamber a round? Sometimes the mag is not loaded properly, sometimes it is not seated properly, sometimes you simply can't remember or don't want to trust your memory about loading a round. A press check is quick, painless, near silent, and the internet and "training" world aversion to it in some circles (usually related to clinging to an anti-forward assist position) is simply absurd. I am not opposed to press checks in the least, in fact, I train my students to use them. There are several reasons that checking the mag is more practical: Some depts are using DRMO hand-me-downs that have no forward assist. You cannot always see inside the breech, and I challenge you to hold the BCG partially open with one hand and stick a finger in there with the other to feel for a round. You can take the mag out and feel which side the round is on, even in the dark. No risk of being high on adrenaline and jacking the round out that you initially intended to inspect. This is a simple advantage to using a weapon with a double-stack, staggered-feed magazine...Why not exploit it? (In the interest of full disclosure, I am of the opinion that the forward assist is unnecessary though). But if you can't remember or don't trust your memory if you loaded a round, how the heck are you going to remember which side of the mag it was on! A fully loaded, even capacity mag, will always have the round on the right side of the mag (bullets pointing forward like in the weapon). Also, why guys who do download to 28rds goes to 28 not 29. Pretty sure the new tan follower GI mags the .mil is issuing are the opposite... I've heard that but they are not the norm...at least not yet. |
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Note which side of mag top round is on. Insert mag. Charge weapon. Remove mag. Observe whether top round is still on original side or opposite. If same side, round did not chamber. If opposite, you have a round in chamber. No need to dink with charging handle or forward assist. Rube Goldberg has spoken.  Now thats funny...
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Note which side of mag top round is on. Insert mag. Charge weapon. Remove mag. Observe whether top round is still on original side or opposite. If same side, round did not chamber. If opposite, you have a round in chamber. No need to dink with charging handle or forward assist. To add, if you always load up your mags to the same amount, you always know which side the round should be on. But yes, i do still make sure that I have the even amount to start (28 and round to the right). |
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Note which side of mag top round is on. Insert mag. Charge weapon. Remove mag. Observe whether top round is still on original side or opposite. If same side, round did not chamber. If opposite, you have a round in chamber. No need to dink with charging handle or forward assist. Rube Goldberg has spoken. Why is this even a question? Do you all have rifles that occasionally do not chamber a round? I've watched people thing they chambered a round on their rifle when I saw that the round didn't go in. Which could be potentially deadly. I always press check during an admin load. It's cheap insurance. |
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Rube Goldberg? No. It is the way to tell in the light, AND in the dark. I can't recall ever being in a situation where it was that dark, but it is not hard to poke you finger in the chamber and feel the round. Strikes me as a helluva lot more reliable than depending on your mag have been loaded "correctly," not having lost a round in transport, etc. etc. Plus, none of that magazine stuff then carries over to grabbing someone else's weapon for whatever reason. A press check is a press check whether you have a pistol, an AR, or an AK. It's the same basic training concept to confirm your condition. The mag thing strikes me as like going on the internet and checking the web for the temperature when you have a thermometer with you. |
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A fully loaded, even capacity mag, will always have the round on the right side of the mag (bullets pointing forward like in the weapon). Also, why guys who do download to 28rds goes to 28 not 29. Never say always... http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg76/gi57/Magazine/PA291999.jpg That pretty kills the "mag-check" technique except for a trained shooter with special knowledge of his particular gear. I'm in the "check the chamber" camp for a universal check. |
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I've watched people thing they chambered a round on their rifle when I saw that the round didn't go in. Which could be potentially deadly. I always press check during an admin load. It's cheap insurance. [/quote] ^ this i make it a habit also, practice how you play. it becomes second nature. |
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A fully loaded, even capacity mag, will always have the round on the right side of the mag (bullets pointing forward like in the weapon). Also, why guys who do download to 28rds goes to 28 not 29. Never say always... http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg76/gi57/Magazine/PA291999.jpg That pretty kills the "mag-check" technique except for a trained shooter with special knowledge of his particular gear. I'm in the "check the chamber" camp for a universal check. Still doesn't change that I have personally had feed issues after using the CH and F/A and have seen others suffer problems doing the same. I have yet to see a problem occur after a mag press check. Not to mention some bcg do not even have notches for a F/A to work on anyway. ETA - the CH and F/A method would go against the argument that the F/A is not needed. |
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A fully loaded, even capacity mag, will always have the round on the right side of the mag (bullets pointing forward like in the weapon). Also, why guys who do download to 28rds goes to 28 not 29. Never say always... http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg76/gi57/Magazine/PA291999.jpg That pretty kills the "mag-check" technique except for a trained shooter with special knowledge of his particular gear. I'm in the "check the chamber" camp for a universal check. Still doesn't change that I have personally had feed issues after using the CH and F/A and have seen others suffer problems doing the same. I have yet to see a problem occur after a mag press check. Not to mention some bcg do not even have notches for a F/A to work on anyway. ETA - the CH and F/A method would go against the argument that the F/A is not needed. All boiled down, we are in agreement, it seems. |
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Ok ok ok, put selector into "safe" position. 1-Pull charging handle slightly rearward to retract bolt carrier. 2-Look for brass and/or put index finger into ejection port opening to feel for brass in chamber. 3-Let charging handle return forward to close bolt. 4-Either tap forward assist or use index finger to press bolt carrier forward using the half moon shaped cutout exposed in the open ejection port. 5-Close dust cover. How hard can it be? This! lets not get into a F/A debate |
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I can't recall ever being in a situation where it was that dark, but it is not hard to poke you finger in the chamber and feel the round. Strikes me as a helluva lot more reliable than depending on your mag have been loaded "correctly," not having lost a round in transport, etc. etc. Plus, none of that magazine stuff then carries over to grabbing someone else's weapon for whatever reason. A press check is a press check whether you have a pistol, an AR, or an AK. It's the same basic training concept to confirm your condition. The mag thing strikes me as like going on the internet and checking the web for the temperature when you have a thermometer with you. You can do a press check any way you want as long as it works for you. The method I described is taught because the people I am teaching it to work in the dark where ambient lighting may, or more likely, may not be present. Holding the CH 1/4 or 1/2 way back while poking a finger in the chamber sometimes feels like a third arm is required under normal circumstances, nevermind when adrenaline is pumping and you have "stupid fingers" as a result. Also, Colorado tends to get cold in the winter. It may not be possible to get a gloved finger in the aforementioned narrow space and even if you can, the loss of sensitivity probably won't allow you to be certain of whether you are feeling a round or not. Again, do a press check however you want, just don't assume that your way is the only way because "you can't recall" a situation that required a different technique. |
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I can't recall ever being in a situation where it was that dark, but it is not hard to poke you finger in the chamber and feel the round. Strikes me as a helluva lot more reliable than depending on your mag have been loaded "correctly," not having lost a round in transport, etc. etc. Plus, none of that magazine stuff then carries over to grabbing someone else's weapon for whatever reason. A press check is a press check whether you have a pistol, an AR, or an AK. It's the same basic training concept to confirm your condition. The mag thing strikes me as like going on the internet and checking the web for the temperature when you have a thermometer with you. You can do a press check any way you want as long as it works for you. The method I described is taught because the people I am teaching it to work in the dark where ambient lighting may, or more likely, may not be present. Holding the CH 1/4 or 1/2 way back while poking a finger in the chamber sometimes feels like a third arm is required under normal circumstances, nevermind when adrenaline is pumping and you have "stupid fingers" as a result. Also, Colorado tends to get cold in the winter. It may not be possible to get a gloved finger in the aforementioned narrow space and even if you can, the loss of sensitivity probably won't allow you to be certain of whether you are feeling a round or not. Again, do a press check however you want, just don't assume that your way is the only way because "you can't recall" a situation that required a different technique. Would not that assumed loss of sensitivity also inhibit your ability to tell which way the mag was loaded? |
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I can't recall ever being in a situation where it was that dark, but it is not hard to poke you finger in the chamber and feel the round. Strikes me as a helluva lot more reliable than depending on your mag have been loaded "correctly," not having lost a round in transport, etc. etc. Plus, none of that magazine stuff then carries over to grabbing someone else's weapon for whatever reason. A press check is a press check whether you have a pistol, an AR, or an AK. It's the same basic training concept to confirm your condition. The mag thing strikes me as like going on the internet and checking the web for the temperature when you have a thermometer with you. You can do a press check any way you want as long as it works for you. The method I described is taught because the people I am teaching it to work in the dark where ambient lighting may, or more likely, may not be present. Holding the CH 1/4 or 1/2 way back while poking a finger in the chamber sometimes feels like a third arm is required under normal circumstances, nevermind when adrenaline is pumping and you have "stupid fingers" as a result. Also, Colorado tends to get cold in the winter. It may not be possible to get a gloved finger in the aforementioned narrow space and even if you can, the loss of sensitivity probably won't allow you to be certain of whether you are feeling a round or not. Again, do a press check however you want, just don't assume that your way is the only way because "you can't recall" a situation that required a different technique. Would not that assumed loss of sensitivity also inhibit your ability to tell which way the mag was loaded? No. And that is not theory, it is fact learned through experience. |
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Is it possible to FIRE A ROUND OUT OF an M4? How do you do it? Thanks. How do you not know how to check if there is a round in the chamber? Have you shot it yet?? Read this thread. Apparently, it isn't as easy as you'd like to think... at least for some. |
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Still doesn't change that I have personally had feed issues after using the CH and F/A and have seen others suffer problems doing the same. I have yet to see a problem occur after a mag press check. Not to mention some bcg do not even have notches for a F/A to work on anyway. ETA - the CH and F/A method would go against the argument that the F/A is not needed. I am confused how you can still have problems. We are talking about a round is in the chamber and you are checking to make sure its there right? Did you not use the forward assist to close the bolt carrier after retracting it to check the chamber? Were you trying to size a reload by using your carrier and buffer as a hammer into your chamber? Yes some carriers do not have fwd assist notches, its probably a retro carrier, sell/trade it for one that does. |
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