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Posted: 10/4/2012 7:20:43 PM EDT
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Hey all, Im anxiously about to start my first AR build but i have a few questions that i think could be best answered here.
To cut right to the chase, I need to know if this is possible. And if anyone could refer me to parts, or throw measurements out to me to help me get this done right i would appreciate it. Heres what i need to know: My AR has to have no less then a 16 inch barrel, and i need to have the over all length to be between 26inches to 30 inches maximum. Has anyone built anything within these requirements? or know how this can be done? Thank you in advance for anyone that can shed any light on this. |
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NO. Unless you go with a 16 barrel with NO flash hider or a 14.5" barrel with a permanently attached extended Flash hider, or a 14.7" barrel with a permanent A2 flash hider, and then use a CAR stock with straight back receiver extension, and even then you will be at about 30.5"
here is a quick picture, referencing the stock type and barrel (this particular muzzle brake is a little longer than it needs to be though, but you get the idea.) (picture is from another thread on this board, not mine) 
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30.5 is close, if thats the case im sure i could loose .5 somewhere.
it doesnt matter to me if it has a flash hider or not, or what kind of stock. just looking for any way to make it work. " 14.5" barrel with a permanently attached extended Flash hider" I do like that idea though |
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30.5 is close, if thats the case im sure i could loose .5 somewhere. it doesnt matter to me if it has a flash hider or not, or what kind of stock. just looking for any way to make it work. " 14.5" barrel with a permanently attached extended Flash hider" I do like that idea though post pics when this happens please. |
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30.5 is close, if thats the case im sure i could loose .5 somewhere. it doesnt matter to me if it has a flash hider or not, or what kind of stock. just looking for any way to make it work. " 14.5" barrel with a permanently attached extended Flash hider" I do like that idea though post pics when this happens please. In Michigan, a rifle between 26- 30 inches long is considered a pistol. Pistol permit is required to purchase one and it has to be registered with Michigan State Police. Anyone who has a CPL (concealed pistol license) may carry such rifle loaded and concealed just like ordinary handgun. Currently, legislation is pending that would eliminate handgun purchase permits, registration, and would fix the loophole in current law that considers rifles 26 -30 in length pistols. O.P. is trying to beat the potential law to the punch. Good luck. EDIT: corrected 16 - 30 to 26 -30 in first paragraph. |
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Others have mentioned just about all of your options. Perm-attached MD to 16" OAL barrel with CAR stock (which will get you to just over 30") or something with a folding stock.
I'm really curious though, as to why your first AR build is being done to such stringent specifications? Why can't you go SBR to get it below 30" OAL? I'm pretty sure any kind of folding-stock AR is going to cost you more than a $200 tax-stamp would on a regular lower. |
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In Michigan, a rifle between 26- 30 inches long is considered a pistol. Pistol permit is required to purchase one and it has to be registered with Michigan State Police. Anyone who has a CPL (concealed pistol license) may carry such rifle loaded and concealed just like ordinary handgun. Currently, legislation is pending that would eliminate handgun purchase permits, registration, and would fix the loophole in current law that considers rifles 26 -30 in length pistols. Is the legislation by "eliminating", making a pistol permit and registration unnecessary or unavailable? Is this good legislation for 2A or a bad? By "fixing" a "loophole" is it easing up on 26-30" rifles and taking their pistol status away or is this a bad thing? I'm really trying to see the sense in this. O.P. is trying to beat the potential law to the punch. Good luck. EDIT: corrected 16 - 30 to 26 -30 in first paragraph. |
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In Michigan, a rifle between 26- 30 inches long is considered a pistol. Pistol permit is required to purchase one and it has to be registered with Michigan State Police. Anyone who has a CPL (concealed pistol license) may carry such rifle loaded and concealed just like ordinary handgun. Currently, legislation is pending that would eliminate handgun purchase permits, registration, and would fix the loophole in current law that considers rifles 26 -30 in length pistols. Is the legislation by "eliminating", making a pistol permit and registration unnecessary or unavailable? Is this good legislation for 2A or a bad? By "fixing" a "loophole" is it easing up on 26-30" rifles and taking their pistol status away or is this a bad thing? I'm really trying to see the sense in this. O.P. is trying to beat the potential law to the punch. Good luck. EDIT: corrected 16 - 30 to 26 -30 in first paragraph. Legislation would make pistol permit and registration unnecessary - good for 2A. Fixing the loophole would take the rifle's pistol status away - bad for 2A. SBRs are not legal in Michigan- bad for 2A A rifle shorter then 26 inches is considered an SBR even though it has legal 16 inch barrel. EDIT: correct a mistake |
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I know its not an AR-15 but if you got a Steyr AUG Carbine it would have OAL of 27.2inches, weigh 7.3lbs, and have a 16in barrel so you wouldnt need an SBR. And AUGs look tits sexy. If im not mistaken they take AR mags too. This is your best bet...for the car carry, etc. |
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Thank you all for the knowledge. Yes, if it were possible this would be the best way currently to get a firearm built and registered before the first of the year. After the first of the year, something along these lengths would become in MI what they have always been known as federally; A rifle.
Im scraping the idea that ill be able to make it that length, only benefit of it would be the option to have a stock and still carry it as a pistol if i ever felt the need. Its not all bad though, im still planing a build and this thread has giving me ideas to aim for. |
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In Michigan, a rifle between 26- 30 inches long is considered a pistol. Pistol permit is required to purchase one and it has to be registered with Michigan State Police. Anyone who has a CPL (concealed pistol license) may carry such rifle loaded and concealed just like ordinary handgun. Currently, legislation is pending that would eliminate handgun purchase permits, registration, and would fix the loophole in current law that considers rifles 26 -30 in length pistols. Is the legislation by "eliminating", making a pistol permit and registration unnecessary or unavailable? Is this good legislation for 2A or a bad? By "fixing" a "loophole" is it easing up on 26-30" rifles and taking their pistol status away or is this a bad thing? I'm really trying to see the sense in this. O.P. is trying to beat the potential law to the punch. Good luck. EDIT: corrected 16 - 30 to 26 -30 in first paragraph. Legislation would make pistol permit and registration unnecessary - good for 2A. Fixing the loophole would take the rifle's pistol status away - bad for 2A. SBRs are not legal in Michigan- bad for 2A A rifle shorter then 26 inches is considered an SBR even though it has legal 16 inch barrel. EDIT: correct a mistake Thank you. So, would the <30" rifle be grandfathered as a "pistol" as thus legal to carry even after the loophole was abolished? The only advantage I can see to this and if so, the OP's desired rifle, is the ability to concealed carry a 26-30" rifle (  ), or is this a matter of having it in a vehicle while loaded?
ETA: nevermind, I saw the OP's recent post. |
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