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Posted: 9/21/2012 1:42:53 AM EDT
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I *HATE* the trigger on my stock AR.
It has an incredibly short travel distance, before discharge - and it's very heavy (too many pounds of resistance.) I am used to shooting my 10/22 with volquartsen conversion, 2.5lb. Is there a cheap kit which will address these two issues? Thanks! |
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What is cheap?
You could try the JP yellow spring kit and polishing your stock Fire Control Group (FCG for short). You could buy a ALG FCG and run the same springs on that for a smoother trigger. You could buy the ALG NiB FCG and the JP springs for a slightly smoother trigger than above. You could buy a used RRA 2-stage. I usually run the JP Red hammer spring kit (3.5lb) because I had issues with light strikes with the yellow springs. A lot of others have not had issues though, so maybe my set was defective. |
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I love that JP.
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What is cheap? You could try the JP yellow spring kit and polishing your stock Fire Control Group (FCG for short). You could buy a ALG FCG and run the same springs on that for a smoother trigger. You could buy the ALG NiB FCG and the JP springs for a slightly smoother trigger than above. You could buy a used RRA 2-stage. I usually run the JP Red hammer spring kit (3.5lb) because I had issues with light strikes with the yellow springs. A lot of others have not had issues though, so maybe my set was defective. |
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when you look at the JP website and their springs. it specifically says to not use the yellow spring with hard military style primers but then it says that the red spring will not cause substantial changes to a stock trigger.
so do they really make a change or is a placebo affect going on when people say that they like the red spring because if you paid for it, the thing must work better. |
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When I have had stock spring kits in my ARs they felt like 7-8lbs. The JP 3.5lb springs (red) feel like a 4.5-5lb pull on a stock trigger. The Spike's, WMD, and ACT triggers I have have no grit and are fairly smooth so the pull is clean and a lot lighter than the stock ones.
OP if you want more travel then check out the EE for a used RRA 2-stage. Those have a light 1stage and a light second stage. |
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Sounds like you want an SSA. I thought I saw the word 'cheap' in the OP's question? There is nothing cheap about triggers. You get what you pay for. If the OP does a fair amount of shooting, then the SSA is a must. If he shoots once a year then he needs to learn how to do a trigger job. Swapping out springs or polishing and stoneing a trigger could make the gun unsafe to shoot. That's why he must understand what he is doing with the fire control parts, what to polish and what not to touch. |
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I am as the bird says...
CHEAP. Get the lowest price ALG trigger / hammer set Stock hammer spring. JP yellow trigger spring. Superior arms / AGP arms type pretravel mod. I made an easy to make jig to do this. Gunslick on the sear surfaces Sell your old parts on the EE. it will cost you about $50 total out of pocket. G.I. type look as well. |
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Sounds like you want an SSA. I thought I saw the word 'cheap' in the OP's question? There is nothing cheap about triggers. You get what you pay for. If the OP does a fair amount of shooting, then the SSA is a must. If he shoots once a year then he needs to learn how to do a trigger job. Swapping out springs or polishing and stoneing a trigger could make the gun unsafe to shoot. That's why he must understand what he is doing with the fire control parts, what to polish and what not to touch. Perzactly. We don't know the OP's level of ability, nor his skill as an amateur gunsmith. He could create a problem. Last time I checked, I could get an SSA for $175 from Brownells on my C&R FFL, and I paid about that at a gunshow as well. In my house, just about $200 doesn't count as 'cheap', but if the OP is serious about safely shooting his rifle, that's the way to go. If he looks around, there is surely someone who can help him acquire the Geissele at less than full retail. Moon |
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Curious why do you want a longer trigger pull?
Sounds like a 2-stage is what you're after. Geissele in that case. Quoted:
I love that JP. Is there any thing to increase the travel distance? Quoted:
What is cheap? You could try the JP yellow spring kit and polishing your stock Fire Control Group (FCG for short). You could buy a ALG FCG and run the same springs on that for a smoother trigger. You could buy the ALG NiB FCG and the JP springs for a slightly smoother trigger than above. You could buy a used RRA 2-stage. I usually run the JP Red hammer spring kit (3.5lb) because I had issues with light strikes with the yellow springs. A lot of others have not had issues though, so maybe my set was defective. |
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I am as the bird says... CHEAP. Get the lowest price ALG trigger / hammer set Stock hammer spring. JP yellow trigger spring. Superior arms / AGP arms type pretravel mod. I made an easy to make jig to do this. Gunslick on the sear surfaces Sell your old parts on the EE. it will cost you about $50 total out of pocket. G.I. type look as well. Doesn't accomplish what the OP is looking for though! He wants lighter AND longer pull. 10/22 trigger feels remarkably like a 2stage trigger due to the amount of take-up. OP, your best budget bet is probably a used RockRiverArms (RRA) 2 stage trigger. There are several in the Equipment Exchange |
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I am as the bird says... CHEAP. Get the lowest price ALG trigger / hammer set Stock hammer spring. JP yellow trigger spring. Superior arms / AGP arms type pretravel mod. I made an easy to make jig to do this. Gunslick on the sear surfaces Sell your old parts on the EE. it will cost you about $50 total out of pocket. G.I. type look as well. Doesn't accomplish what the OP is looking for though! He wants lighter AND longer pull. It will be smoother AND lighter (and MOST important to the O.P. CHEAPEST) than his current set up. As far as travel, the pretravel is a matter of taste. I only remove up to G.I. safety engagment. If he wants max travel he can have it that way. Then it would only be +- $35 out of pocket. As you eleminate the 1/4x28 tap the 7/32 drill bit as well as the mild steel jig and 1/4 flathead screw. |
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It will be smoother AND lighter (and MOST important to the O.P. CHEAPEST) than his current set up. As far as travel, the pretravel is a matter of taste. I only remove up to G.I. safety engagment. If he wants max travel he can have it that way. Then it would only be +- $35 out of pocket. As you eleminate the 1/4x28 tap the 7/32 drill bit as well as the mild steel jig and 1/4 flathead screw. *sigh* OP said Lighter, Longer, and cheap. He never set a priority order, nor mentioned smoother. You are imposing your own preferences and not considering what the OP wanted. ALG is just another stockish trigger... It may or may not be much of an improvement. Either way for JP Springs + ALG you're looking at $85 plus shipping. Which is pretty much the cost of a RRA 2 stage trigger (especially used) which actually would meet what he is asking for! |
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I *HATE* the trigger on my stock AR.
It has an incredibly short travel distance, before discharge - and it's very heavy (too many pounds of resistance.) Completly normal and simple to replace spring kit will solve most of this. remember polishing and sanding/grinding are 2 different things dont use sand paper, file or any grinding method. I am used to shooting my 10/22 with volquartsen conversion, 2.5lb. [span style='color: red;']These are what turned me on to doing my own trigger work. Do your research and be patient. I have done over a dozen now and not screwed one up[/span]. Is there a cheap kit which will address these two issues? [span style='color: red;']Brownells is your freind. Call and ask questions. I have talked to their customer service folks a lot and they are always excellent.[/span] That aside I am also a big fan of the single stage Wilson Combat TTU. Not Cheap but money well spent. I have 2 on my Armalite SPR's and they have over 6000 rounds through them so far with no issues. I installed them both by myself in about 15 min. |
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It will be smoother AND lighter (and MOST important to the O.P. CHEAPEST) than his current set up. As far as travel, the pretravel is a matter of taste. I only remove up to G.I. safety engagment. If he wants max travel he can have it that way. Then it would only be +- $35 out of pocket. As you eleminate the 1/4x28 tap the 7/32 drill bit as well as the mild steel jig and 1/4 flathead screw. *sigh* OP said Lighter, Longer, and cheap. He never set a priority order, nor mentioned smoother. You are imposing your own preferences and not considering what the OP wanted. ALG is just another stockish trigger... It may or may not be much of an improvement. Either way for JP Springs + ALG you're looking at $85 plus shipping. Which is pretty much the cost of a RRA 2 stage trigger (especially used) which actually would meet what he is asking for! Re read what I posted As for my preferences... ALG trigger $44.99 shipped Primary Arms 9-22-12 limit 2. JP reduced power springs $9.99 + shipping Brownells $55.00 + Brownell's shipping Total Selling your stock trigger group with popular JP reduced power hammer spring on the EE $25 shipped That is $30.00 before the Gunslick. All brand new parts as well.. The reduced power trigger spring with the ALG trigger, is not only safe it is lighter and smoother. And a G.I. trigger has the longest travel as is. AND, you act like smoother is a fault. No way near $85.00 *sigh* |
And to put my money where my mouth is...
icor1031 try the set up as I describe. If you dont agree it is a VAST low dollar improvement. That addresses your issues. I will buy it from you for the money you spent, minus difference you sold your stock parts for. I have a 100% rating on Ebay and AR15.com You always can get the Gissele of your choice. Of a used 2 stage RRA. How do you like that preference, ManMan ? 
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SSA-E. Got mine for $185 from Midway using there usual monthly $25 off $200 coupons.
Cheap, nope. But, I not sure how much Volquartsen you had/have in the 10/22, once you replace hammer, sear, trigger , disconnector etc, you pretty much are up there as well. OR IF you have a full Volquartsen drop in assembly, your up to $200 or there about. Geissele SSA-e is similarly a complete replacement, replacing stock trigger, sears, hammer, disconnector and springs. Expect to pay similar. |
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Re read what I posted As for my preferences... ALG trigger $44.99 shipped Primary Arms 9-22-12 limit 2. JP reduced power springs $9.99 + shipping Brownells $55.00 + Brownell's shipping Total Selling your stock trigger group with popular JP reduced power hammer spring on the EE $25 shipped That is $30.00 before the Gunslick. All brand new parts as well.. The reduced power trigger spring with the ALG trigger, is not only safe it is lighter and smoother. And a G.I. trigger has the longest travel as is. AND, you act like smoother is a fault. No way near $85.00 *sigh* No, I don't act like smoothness is a fault. Personally I prefer a light smooth short single stage trigger. Your suggestion isn't far from what I have myself. A thousand pardons for mixing up the ACT and ALG. Either way you are at say $60? Can't really subtract selling stock parts since he can do that with any new trigger. ACT/ALG are still mil spec triggers (aside from coating), they just fall at the better end of the tolerances. The OP isn't happy with his current mil spec trigger, so suggesting he put a different version of the same thing doesn't make sense IMO. Especially since your original suggestion was adding limit screws which is the exact opposite of what the OP asked for. Ya'll have fun |
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Geissele is your soon to be best friend. They're aren't the cheapest upgrades in the world but make shooting an AR all the more pleasurable. truth. |
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