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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - DPMS for $625 (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 8/8/2012 2:46:58 PM EDT
| Hey guys I called everywhere locally and found a DMPS flat top for $625. I'm not sure of the exact model. Thoughts? |
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I dont want a sport because of the lack of DC and FA. With the conditions this rifle will see it NEEDS to have a DC. I know Wallyworld carries colts, but they're too expensive for me right now. What problems have you had with DPMS? You either get a good DPMS or you don't. There have been some problems with their functioning, but overall they are "generally" a good rifle. If you buy it you can always upgrade parts as you can afford them. |
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You either get a good DPMS or you don't. There have been some problems with their functioning, but overall they are "generally" a good rifle. If you buy it you can always upgrade parts as you can afford them. That was my plan. For $625 for a brand new in box rifle I dont think it can be beat. My budget is limited right now but if it turns out to be a bad one I'll just upgrade it as necessary. (BCG, Barrel, etc.) |
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I have the same rifle. Paid 600 for mine and 3000 rounds later, not a single malfunction. It save me some money so I could get some quality optics, quad rail, etc
This isnt to say that you are not gonna have a problem with it. I took a lot of care with mine and its taken care of me. Thats just my $0.02 |
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In before the "noob 2012 account" accusations start flying.
I've built one and bought one, both run fine. Every brand has their fair share of problems. Most of the criticism is just personal bias. That being said, it is a low budget, mass marketed brand so don't expect exceptional quality control or customer service. Wouldn't hurt to inspect it before putting money down either, and you'll probably upgrade most of it regardless if it's a Colt or a DPMS. |
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My first AR purchase was a Colt 6940. 6,000+ rounds downrange and it is my all time favorite rifle. To date, it's sitting in the safe with north of $ 3k spent on it. My second AR purchase was a DPMS Sportical. Somewhere over 1,000 rounds downrange and my only criticism of it - it will never feel as sweet or shoot as well as my Colt. To date, it's sitting in the safe with just north of $ 1k spent on it. My advice to you - check out the DPMS before you plunk down your money for it, keep an eye on the front gas block after you buy it (a few have been known to get loose), and replace the front hand guards with a MagPul MOE when you can. The DPMS is a good starter rifle for my money. I specifically bought the DPMS because I planned on abusing it a bit along the way and knew I wouldn't try some of the things I wanted to try with a second Colt. |
| No because its not Tier 1 its garbage /sarcasm. Seriously though OP I have a DPMS Oracle..it has a over 1k through it. No I do not run it hard..but its damn accurate and has not had a single problem. I ended up "giving" it to my wife as her range gun...I still shoot the hell out of it with zero worries. Good rifle. |
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For about $25 more you could get a PSA if prices are same as a month ago when I checked on budget rifle for a friend. I haven't had a DPMS so can't really comment from experience on them. I think they probably aren't as bad as some say. Much like many of the top tier rifles aren't nearly as superior as many like to claim.
Anyway, if you are pretty set on the Oracle you can go THIS route and get yourself a lower to slap on. |
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I would take 25-50 more bucks and buy a PSA. You will have a much better rifle for your money. If you went the PSA route, you would have to pay for shipping and FFL transfer, do by th e end,myou might be paying about $100-150 more for an AR- which is probably going to the excact sme thing as the DPMS, except now you are $150 lighter. There is no dinfinative proof that PSA produces a better product that DPMS, people here just seem o go Garry Gaga over PSA. |
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I would take 25-50 more bucks and buy a PSA. You will have a much better rifle for your money. If you went the PSA route, you would have to pay for shipping and FFL transfer, do by th e end,myou might be paying about $100-150 more for an AR- which is probably going to the excact sme thing as the DPMS, except now you are $150 lighter. There is no dinfinative proof that PSA produces a better product that DPMS, people here just seem o go Garry Gaga over PSA. OK even if it is 100 more because of shipping and ffl fees he is still winning. You get much better components here for the same price not factoring shipping and transfer fee.! I doubt the DPMS has a Hammer forged barrel from FNHUSA with a 1/7 twist, double thick chrome lined barrel and chamber, 556 and a full auto bolt carrier. The dpms probably has a basic 4140 barrel, no chrome lining, 223 chamber, 1/9 twist and semi carrier. Even if it has a chrome lined barrel why not get the above quality for a little more! |
| oracle is a stripped down rifle from a company that does not have a great reputation for reliability. An ar15 lasts a lifetime or multiple lifetimes, spend a little more. You can get a PSA kit for about $ 600 but you would still need a lower, that would probably be my budget choice, |
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Quoted: so youre going to get a cheap rifle, and the replace the parts???Quoted: You either get a good DPMS or you don't. There have been some problems with their functioning, but overall they are "generally" a good rifle. If you buy it you can always upgrade parts as you can afford them. That was my plan. For $625 for a brand new in box rifle I dont think it can be beat. My budget is limited right now but if it turns out to be a bad one I'll just upgrade it as necessary. (BCG, Barrel, etc.) hy not buy quality, especially if this is your 1st one. If its because of money, then build one |
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oracle is a stripped down rifle from a company that does not have a great reputation for reliability. An ar15 lasts a lifetime or multiple lifetimes, spend a little more. You can get a PSA kit for about $ 600 but you would still need a lower, that would probably be my budget choice, by who? most of the owners here love them and give them praise... |
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Quoted: Quoted: oracle is a stripped down rifle from a company that does not have a great reputation for reliability. An ar15 lasts a lifetime or multiple lifetimes, spend a little more. You can get a PSA kit for about $ 600 but you would still need a lower, that would probably be my budget choice, by who? most of the owners here love them and give them praise... By people who work on rifles, by people who teach carbine classes, people in the industry. Yeah DPMS does not have a great reputation for reliability. A sample size of one, like the guy who shot a mere one case of ammo before his before handing it off to his wife, doesn't mean anything. I suppose––well there are those who claim that most people will never shoot more than a case of ammo through a rifle, never train or compete with it and really do little more than buy a couple of boxes at wal mart to go shoot cans for fun on Sunday. Maybe for most people it doesn't matter what you buy. [shrug]
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I have 2 DPMS carbines, my shooting buddy has 3 or 4. Zero problems. Its the old Ford vs Chevy battle all over. Some place around here is a list of WHO makes what parts for what named company, it will surprise you how few manufactures there really are out there.
I doubt that most of the commercial models would make muster with the military in spite of the "so called" MIL-SPEC moniker used on ALL the ads. Except for the guys and gals who shoot in the matches, these AR's are toys for the rest of us. And a lot of the competitive shooters are PAID big bucks to use a particular brand of rifle. Get what you can afford and don't let the nay sayer's bother you. My DPMS's have been called "a piece of shit" by several guys here but then again so has EVERY brand made by others. It's all fun !!! 
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Quoted: I have 2 DPMS carbines, my shooting buddy has 3 or 4. Zero problems. Its the old Ford vs Chevy battle all over. Some place around here is a list of WHO makes what parts for what named company, it will surprise you how few manufactures there really are out there. I doubt that most of the commercial models would make muster with the military in spite of the "so called" MIL-SPEC moniker used on ALL the ads. Except for the guys and gals who shoot in the matches, these AR's are toys for the rest of us. And a lot of the competitive shooters are PAID big bucks to use a particular brand of rifle. Get what you can afford and don't let the nay sayer's bother you. My DPMS's have been called "a piece of shit" by several guys here but then again so has EVERY brand made by others. It's all fun !!! Not all parts are the same and DPMS is not the same as Colt, Bravo Company and the other "Colt like" manufacturers. You may only have an ar15 to shoot cans in the back yard but plenty of purchasers want serious, reliable firearms whether the are going to need them or not. |
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plenty of cops use DPMS rifles for work.
DPMS makes a fine rifle, all of mine have been 100% reliable. yes, my rifles go through thousands upon thousands of rounds. every time a DPMS thread comes up the bashers quickly come out of the wood work and I get tired of arguing the point. there is currently nothing significant that sets a colt apart from a DPMS besides the emblem on the side and the extra you spend to get it. get the DPMS, I'm sure it will run fine and serve you well. |
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plenty of cops use DPMS rifles for work. DPMS makes a fine rifle, all of mine have been 100% reliable. yes, my rifles go through thousands upon thousands of rounds. every time a DPMS thread comes up the bashers quickly come out of the wood work and I get tired of arguing the point. there is currently nothing significant that sets a colt apart from a DPMS besides the emblem on the side and the extra you spend to get it. get the DPMS, I'm sure it will run fine and serve you well. WOW. Now that is funny. 
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rather than focusing on how good or shitty a given rifle MAY be, i would look into customer service for the brands you are considering. every company makes a lemon or two, so look at who has the best no bs warranty, and go with them. Yes! This would be my 2 cents worth to add also. Customer service is important at any level. I myself am a new Windham owner. And I like their customer service. Check out the Industry forum here on ar15.com for the company you are buying from. |
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plenty of cops use DPMS rifles for work. DPMS makes a fine rifle, all of mine have been 100% reliable. yes, my rifles go through thousands upon thousands of rounds. every time a DPMS thread comes up the bashers quickly come out of the wood work and I get tired of arguing the point. there is currently nothing significant that sets a colt apart from a DPMS besides the emblem on the side and the extra you spend to get it. get the DPMS, I'm sure it will run fine and serve you well. WOW. Now that is funny.
care to elaborate? |
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Quoted: plenty of cops use DPMS rifles for work. DPMS makes a fine rifle, all of mine have been 100% reliable. yes, my rifles go through thousands upon thousands of rounds. every time a DPMS thread comes up the bashers quickly come out of the wood work and I get tired of arguing the point. there is currently nothing significant that sets a colt apart from a DPMS besides the emblem on the side and the extra you spend to get it. get the DPMS, I'm sure it will run fine and serve you well. plenty of cops use mag lites and fobus holsters. DPMS does not use the same materials and does not do the quality control testing that Colt does. Yes they are both made out of metal and plastic, so I guess in that way they are the same. |
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plenty of cops use DPMS rifles for work. DPMS makes a fine rifle, all of mine have been 100% reliable. yes, my rifles go through thousands upon thousands of rounds. every time a DPMS thread comes up the bashers quickly come out of the wood work and I get tired of arguing the point. there is currently nothing significant that sets a colt apart from a DPMS besides the emblem on the side and the extra you spend to get it. get the DPMS, I'm sure it will run fine and serve you well. plenty of cops use mag lites and fobus holsters. DPMS does not use the same materials and does not do the quality control testing that Colt does. Yes they are both made out of metal and plastic, so I guess in that way they are the same. well, I haven't known a cop to carry a mag light for about 8 years, and i'v never seen one using a fobus holster for duty use. on the other hand, thousands upon thousands of cops are both issued and choose to bet their lives and the lives of the public on DPMS AR's colt and DPMS use slightly diff barrel metals...which would only matter if you shoot alot of full auto. they use slightly diff allum in the receivers....which really doesn't matter because the receiver can be safely made out of plastic. (altho DPMS has made several receivers out of case hardened steel , stainless steel, and even brass  )
DPMS does the same QC tests but batch testes instead of doing every part. in modern mass production of parts, it really doesn't make much of a difference. |
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oracle is a stripped down rifle from a company that does not have a great reputation for reliability. An ar15 lasts a lifetime or multiple lifetimes, spend a little more. You can get a PSA kit for about $ 600 but you would still need a lower, that would probably be my budget choice, by who? most of the owners here love them and give them praise... By people who work on rifles, by people who teach carbine classes, people in the industry. Yeah DPMS does not have a great reputation for reliability. A sample size of one, like the guy who shot a mere one case of ammo before his before handing it off to his wife, doesn't mean anything. I suppose––well there are those who claim that most people will never shoot more than a case of ammo through a rifle, never train or compete with it and really do little more than buy a couple of boxes at wal mart to go shoot cans for fun on Sunday. Maybe for most people it doesn't matter what you buy. [shrug] like I said, by who? Where are the studies, where are the reports, where is the data? This board, whether you like it or not, is a fine sampling for statistics if one was so inclined. From this board we could conclude that colt, lmt and some other supposed higher caliber rifles are far better yet we continuously see threads on the how they are not. So where is the data on this supposed low quality rifle in relation to other rifles in function? |
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So your plan is to spend $625 on a known mediocre rifle then spend even more on a better BCG or barrel? Wow. Save up some more money and buy a quality AR that doesn't need anything replaced. Colt, LMT, BCM. There is a reason you can get a DPMS for $625.  .the ee section is littered with lmt barrels of late and every single person I asked in im or email said they were less than moa. We just had a thread on the quality of lmt and you want to include them? We've had the same threads on colt and bcm here, you really want to include them? comical to say bcm, colt, lmt barrels when saying get 'better' than dpms. They are not much different. Different would be a noveske etc type barrel. that said, if the op is gonna change alot of the components, op is better off building one. |
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plenty of cops use DPMS rifles for work. DPMS makes a fine rifle, all of mine have been 100% reliable. yes, my rifles go through thousands upon thousands of rounds. every time a DPMS thread comes up the bashers quickly come out of the wood work and I get tired of arguing the point. there is currently nothing significant that sets a colt apart from a DPMS besides the emblem on the side and the extra you spend to get it. get the DPMS, I'm sure it will run fine and serve you well. WOW. Now that is funny.
agree, funny that people think colt is any better with all of the issues they have hell, they are now sold in walmart...comical |
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Quoted: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/360169_.html Quoted: So your plan is to spend $625 on a known mediocre rifle then spend even more on a better BCG or barrel? Wow. Save up some more money and buy a quality AR that doesn't need anything replaced. Colt, LMT, BCM. There is a reason you can get a DPMS for $625. .the ee section is littered with lmt barrels of late and every single person I asked in im or email said they were less than moa. We just had a thread on the quality of lmt and you want to include them? We've had the same threads on colt and bcm here, you really want to include them? comical to say bcm, colt, lmt barrels when saying get 'better' than dpms. They are not much different. Different would be a noveske etc type barrel. that said, if the op is gonna change alot of the components, op is better off building one. The brands I mentioned used better components, do additional testing and have a better history for reliability. While no brand is perfect, them's the facts.
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plenty of cops use DPMS rifles for work. there is currently nothing significant that sets a colt apart from a DPMS besides the emblem on the side and the extra you spend to get it. . WOW. Now that is funny.
[/quote] care to elaborate?[/quote] Yes, we all know cops are not the brightest bulb on the tree, and you trust them to pick a good rifle.( most of the time they don't even know the law they are suppose to enforce) Comparing DMPS and Colt is like comparing the original hummer to the H3 , and calling them the same. Doesn't work. |
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Yes, we all know cops are not the brightest bulb on the tree, and you trust them to pick a good rifle.( most of the time they don't even know the law they are suppose to enforce) Comparing DMPS and Colt is like comparing the original hummer to the H3 , and calling them the same. Doesn't work. hummer to H3 is a bad analogy. more like comparing a GMC sierra and a Chevy silverado. yea, they are built a little different, they have slightly different parts. but basically the same truck. this here is a mark of someone with no first hand knowledge or fact based opinion but goes with the popular vote again, elaborate |
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Yes, we all know cops are not the brightest bulb on the tree, and you trust them to pick a good rifle.( most of the time they don't even know the law they are suppose to enforce) Comparing DMPS and Colt is like comparing the original hummer to the H3 , and calling them the same. Doesn't work. So cops in general are not the brightest bulb on the tree? As in all cops are stupid? You are a winner. Get a clue...apart from the .mil guys, LE are the ones who are putting these weapons to the test day in and day out, beating them to hell, and relying on them to go bang when most needed. Most cops in this country don't get paid half of what they are worth, and as such sometimes have to spend less on their duty weapons and gear because of what they make. Will the DPMS serve most people well? Probably. Would I rather trust my life to a proven, reliable company? Absolutely. My two patrol rifles have been DD and BCM. Unfortunately I too am not one of the brightest bulbs on the tree, and according to you we aren't even smart enough to choose a good rifle. 
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So your plan is to spend $625 on a known mediocre rifle then spend even more on a better BCG or barrel? Wow. Save up some more money and buy a quality AR that doesn't need anything replaced. Colt, LMT, BCM. There is a reason you can get a DPMS for $625. .the ee section is littered with lmt barrels of late and every single person I asked in im or email said they were less than moa. We just had a thread on the quality of lmt and you want to include them? We've had the same threads on colt and bcm here, you really want to include them? comical to say bcm, colt, lmt barrels when saying get 'better' than dpms. They are not much different. Different would be a noveske etc type barrel. that said, if the op is gonna change alot of the components, op is better off building one. The brands I mentioned used better components, do additional testing and have a better history for reliability. While no brand is perfect, them's the facts.
you must be joking my friend. Like I said, I want to see some studies etc and not what pat rogers says who recently couldn't support an assertion of the same in a thread with various sme's. Hell, we've got armorers here that call the colts $hit and we've seen them say 5% army reports on defective deliveries. No company without a gov't contract could afford 5% defective rate, now that is shit qc |
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So cops in general are not the brightest bulb on the tree? As in all cops are stupid? You are a winner. Get a clue...apart from the .mil guys, LE are the ones who are putting these weapons to the test day in and day out, beating them to hell, and relying on them to go bang when most needed. Most cops in this country don't get paid half of what they are worth, Not all, just most. Do blame me, you guys set your own reputation. Most aren't ..........never mind. |
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So cops in general are not the brightest bulb on the tree? As in all cops are stupid? You are a winner. Get a clue...apart from the .mil guys, LE are the ones who are putting these weapons to the test day in and day out, beating them to hell, and relying on them to go bang when most needed. Most cops in this country don't get paid half of what they are worth, Not all, just most. Do blame me, you guys set your own reputation. Most aren't ..........never mind. I do blame you. You aren't adding anything to a "technical" discussion, and you continue to make yourself look like an idiot every time you post. We get it, you don't like cops. The pointless generalities you keep spewing about all cops being stupid and all cops earning their reputation is not contributing anything to the discussion regarding the quality of DPMS rifles. You just wanted to jump on a soapbox and semi-anonymously post senseless bullshit. Either contribute to the discussion or go post somewhere else. |
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