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Posted: 4/10/2012 7:36:16 PM EDT
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I have tried triggers from RRA, DPMS, COLT, LMT, Noveske, Bushmaster, Knights, PWS, LWRCI and Daniel Defense just to name a few. Side by side they are hard for me to tell the difference. I think LMT is a little better generally, but with some hand tuning and polishing I can make any on of them beat the other. However a buddy put me onto gieselle and I really liked the smoothness, just not the 2 stage thing so I started looking into triggers but it is obviously a big expense to try them all. I got a Mega Machine trigger. They said it is adjustable. Ha!: You can adjust it from really awful to marginally better than a stock trigger. I tried a JP and it was a lot better than anything else I had used, so I got their more expensive EZ and it was even a little better again. But I have not been able to side by side it with a timney or american gold, or some of the others. And some guys say they are better. What I am after is a crisp break with the shortest reset possible, so I was hoping someone had tried a couple of the different high end drop ins side by side with each other and could guide me on this.
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| ALG Defense came out with a trigger a couple of months ago. A Mil-spec version and a Combat version. I got the combat trigger and its a short clean break along with a short reset. the entry price of these triggers was 45 for the mil spec and 65 for the combat and for the quality of the triggers it was a great buy. I am not into 2 stage triggers myself, but if it giselle tuned the springs on these triggers than thats good enough for me...just my .02 |
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Jard. When properly tuned they are scary.
In terms of reset, a co-worker of mine has one set to the point where I would feel uncomfortable shooting it at a public range for fear of an AD or getting kicked off for inadvertent rapid fire. That being said, according to my co-worker (who is a 1911 smith by trade) if you don't know what you're doing with them they will still be kinda marginal. I guess that's his way of saying that he wants me to pay him to install it 
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Thanks for all the input! Timney and Jard are for sure high on the list and it is good to hear from someone that has shot an ALG. Those prices are worth trying at the very least.
I have not heard of CLE, GA or MK and I can't find them searching, but I am interested if you could name the brands out (the letters don't come up with places when I search), while I have been mostly running single stage stuff, eventually I want to build a longer range gun and try the 2 stage trigger. I used to love them in bolt guns, I just don't know how good I will be at switching between trigger styles. |
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I'd just be interested in know what to buy and how much you have to spend to get any appreciable difference over a standard combat trigger. I polished my sear, but other than that I'm shooting stock from a PSA build kit.
I don't know that I'll ever be able to justify a 2 stage match trigger, but if there's something out there in the $60-$100 dollar range that will make a noticable improvement, I'd be interested in knowing about it. |
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I have the Jard single stage adjustable #3 trigger in my gun and am really liking it. Had to do a few adjustments to the disconnector and reset some things after shooting it, but it turned our really well and pulls #3.2 on my digital scale with almost no noticeable creep and very litte travel. Very nice trigger.
I did add a heavy hammer spring to it after have some light primer strikes with steel cased ammon and raised the trigger pull about 6oz but now it is totally reliable with all ammo types I have shot thru my gun and 0 failures to fire. |
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I have a Timney in my AR. It barely moves and feels as it would if you were to pull on a thin glass rod. Clean, crisp, a little bit of pressure, bang. I love it. Does the Timney have a short length of trigger pull? I have a jewell and everything about it but the extremely long trigger pull. I like the short crisp pull like the Jewells on a R700. |
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Thanks for all the input! Timney and Jard are for sure high on the list and it is good to hear from someone that has shot an ALG. Those prices are worth trying at the very least. I have not heard of CLE, GA or MK and I can't find them searching, but I am interested if you could name the brands out (the letters don't come up with places when I search), while I have been mostly running single stage stuff, eventually I want to build a longer range gun and try the 2 stage trigger. I used to love them in bolt guns, I just don't know how good I will be at switching between trigger styles. CLE is Compass Lake Engineering and GA is Geissele Automatics. I don't know what MK is. I use Geissele triggers in everyone of my ARs except my dedicated .22, which houses a stock PSA trigger. The Geisseles run from 120 for the G2S to 160 for the SSA, 170 for the SD-C, up to about 260 for the Hi-Speed in my Service Rifle. Not cheap, but well worth it IMO. I would stay away from any of these mentioned hair trigger single stages. Maybe it's my prejudices speaking, but I want each trigger pull to be a deliberate act. If you would be nervous taking it to a public range for fear of doubling, it's got no business on a repeating firearm. |
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MK= Milazzo-Kriegger. Old school NM FCG. GA has bested it with the versatile Hi-Speed. With a change of springs, three different FCG's
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/397721_.html |
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You should read some of the Tacked threads in each forum,
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_12/366464_Trigger_Fire_Control_Groups_tested_and_evaluated___the_and_34_BESTand_34__trigger_for_you___.html |
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The Timney is amazing. I'm running the 3lb trigger right now and it's travel is short with a very clean snap. It actually made me a bit nervous about whether or not the safety would engage enough to prevent AD. It is such a tight fit in my Aero Precision lower that I had to lightly polish the top of the trigger to get it to clear the safety.
Gonna be pretty hard to beat that trigger for a single stage. It's also not cheap. It's going to eventually find it's way into a precision build. I've also got a RRA two stage match trigger that I love. I actually really like the two stagers, and the break is amazingly clean. Maybe better even than the Timney. I guess it all depends on what you want. I'll use the Timney for a precision rig or a hunting gun, but not much else. The RRA is in my RECCE style rifle and I would trust it/use it for anything. My go to rifle for HD still has a Mil Spec trigger in it (which feels like garbage after the other two), but works fine and serves it's purpose. My dedicated .22 has a milspec trigger with a set screw to adjust pre-load. It actually feels pretty nice with a bit of the take-up/creap taken out of it. Pick your poison. I think I'll eventually trade out my RRA for a Geissele, but that may not be your choice if you like single stagers. |
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The biggest trouble with "GI" triggers, irregardless of brand, is that the tolerances vary between each individual trigger....you get some that are great, some that are poor, and everything in between. So buying a "stock" trigger on brand can be a frustrating exercise.
The only brand of GI trigger that I have found to be super consistent, individual trigger to trigger, is the LWRC Enhanced FCG - but they are expensive, at over $100. While it is still new and I've not yet tried one, I'd like to think that the (Geissele) ALG triggers will turn out to be the new superstars on the block (as others have mentioned). They seem to be priced right and if Geissele can put them out consistent trigger to trigger, they will be the way forward. ALG Defense For really crisp and sharp single stage triggers, however, you've got to look outside the stock type stuff - I'd recommend either the AR Gold, or the old standby, a properly installed and adjusted JP. Have heard good things about the Wilson Combat ones too, but don't have any firsthand experience with them. |
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