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Posted: 12/26/2011 10:13:22 AM EDT
| I am looking a buying a windham weaponry R16M4A4T. Has anyone use one of these? Any issues? |
| I got to peek at a new WW next to the same type of current new Bushy last week. Fit and finish were at least as good as the Bushy. For the few dozen rounds I got to fire, no problems at all. My next purchase with be the WW brand, partially to support the local crew and partially because I can see no red flags about quality. I know a local person that bought one and has shot the hell out of it and he is very happy with his purchase. |
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I got to peek at a new WW next to the same type of current new Bushy last week. Fit and finish were at least as good as the Bushy. For the few dozen rounds I got to fire, no problems at all. My next purchase with be the WW brand, partially to support the local crew and partially because I can see no red flags about quality. I know a local person that bought one and has shot the hell out of it and he is very happy with his purchase. I second this sentiment. My next AR will most likely be a Windham built rifle. It supports the local crew and in turn I get a good quality rifle at a reasonable price. |
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Quoted: I am looking a buying a windham weaponry R16M4A4T. Has anyone use one of these? Any issues? Nobody knows. All the tooling and pretty much everything left when Remington moved the plant. Apparently the old owner is involved and hiring back some of the old employees, beyond that? [shrug] The worst parts kit I ever got was from Bushmaster under the old Maine crew within a year of when the plant closed. Out of spec springs, pistol grip wouldn't go on a lower without using a hammer, just junk. Who knows, maybe they'll do better now [shrug shrug] Tough market to get into right now |
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Quoted: Sure Cerberus bought Bushy and later closed the Maine facility and moved the tooling to a Remington plant in New York to have Bushmaster's made there. Windham is one of the old Bushmaster owners and former employees in Maine.Freedom Group which is owned by Cerberus Capital Management.owns Remington Arms Bushmaster Firearms International DPMS Panther Arms Marlin H & R Firearms NEF Dakota Arms LC Smith Parker AAC – Advanced Armament Corporation Barnes Bullets EOTAC INTC |
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hopefully theyll be doing carbine barrels in that twist. Go to their website ((( http://www.windhamweaponry.com/ )))) - get their phone number { Sales Toll free (855)808-1888 } & call em up...super nice people to talk to !!! Windham will take over the AR market !! 
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| Ive called them and emailed suggestions before with basically no response on emails to "maybe well do that down the road" on the phone.$265 for a 16" chromelined M4 profile thats not individually MP/HP tested...shit PK Firearms has Sabre defence M4 barrel onlys for $35 more..seems Windhame weaponry is a bit more than Bushmaster barrels.If im gonna spend $300 on a premium barrel id like it to be 1/7 twist and MP/HP tested.If Spikes can do it affordable anyone can do high quality affordable.If they really want to compete they should lower their prices on parts thats for sure...but if your new to ARs its easy to fall into the what your getting for ehat your paying trap...as you go and learn more your able at some point to see what companies blow smoke up your ass for what they offer. |
| I guess with offering fat M4 handguards and an aluminum trigger guard on rifles witch many complained didnt come standard when Windam weaponry was Bushmaster I guess they think there offering more than they used to for the money and thats a fail in my book.When you can now pick up a Colt SP6920 under $1000 and thats the rifle everything else is a clone too its hard to justify lesser quality and no testing for the same money.I mean the last few years Colt is making ARs with standard size lower parts and now the 6920s are really the closest you can have to the M4 thats made by the same company..unless Windam cranks it up a notch its gonna be hard to sway people away from Colt,BCM,Spikes,Palmetto for great quality at a great price. |
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Quoted: Are they still using commercial receiver extensions? Barrels are still 1/9. I don't see any reason to think they're using different receiver extensions. Ask them http://www.ar15.com/forums/f_2/489_Windham_Weaponry.html Well they are trying to start up a competing carbon15 line  |
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One thing is for sure. If you are a new AR company, and you want to break into today's market, you're going to have to do a couple of things, since the buying public is so well informed.
You're going to have to put out a mil spec product, with all of the correct parts, specs, and documentation/proof that you have the right testing procedures, materials etc., and do it at a price that entices buyers to purchase your brand rather than an established company like Colt that has the name recognition, history, and peace of mind regarding quality,. If you can't do the above at a competitive price, you're going to have to manufacture a very good firearm, with at least a few of the most important specs, and do it much cheaper. With either of the two approaches, you're going to have to have extremely good customer service. Otherwise, you will get squeezed out of the market. Those two options are of course concerning mass production type businesses, and not very high end custom or specialty shops. I remember being in car sales in the mid 90s, and the car market then is pretty much where the AR market is now in a couple of ways. The buyers know much more about the actual cost of production/mark up and are not going to blow cash on an uneducated purchase. The purchase of an AR has gone from an emotional type, cool gun buy, to more of the mindset of buying a tool, since they have become so much more common. Just as cars had turned the corner and become less of an emotional purchase back then, the AR15 rifle has as well, meaning that it is more of a planned out, methodical process. I've just really noticed this change over the last couple of years. even more so since most people seem to already have one, or have a friend with one, so there isn't that wonder factor. The last thing, is the internet. There is so much info out there now. Just as with cars in the mid 90s, when the internet just was getting going. It wasn't so much the internet then, but the myths were exposed, and you had access to info that would give you exactly what the dealer paid for the base frame, the options, packages etc, and the markup of each. At the end of my tenure as a car salesman, internet research was taking off. Buyers were much better informed. Thanks to sites like this one, the same thing is happening. So if you want to break into the market, you're going to have to do something special, and stand out in some way. |
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