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Posted: 10/24/2011 7:23:01 AM EDT
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I was doing some drills with a friend for time. I have a Smith Vortex on my rifle, and my buddy just bought a Battle Comp for his. Is the Battle Comp really worth $150?
I didn't record the splits, but you should be able to hear the difference in speed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqmkW2JN8tE |
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Is that y'all in the video? The BattleComp had nothing to do with the speed differences in that video––the guy with the chest rig had good technique and obviously much more practice. Technique and practice trumps gear selection. Once technique has been perfected and practiced, then worry about performance gear selection. While a compensator can reduce split times, its effects are much more useful when shooting longer strings of rounds. There is almost no benefit for one and two shot strings. Are you shooting the Mid-South standards? |
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Is that y'all in the video? The BattleComp had nothing to do with the speed differences in that video––the guy with the chest rig had good technique and obviously much more practice. Technique and practice trumps gear selection. Once technique has been perfected and practiced, then worry about performance gear selection. While a compensator can reduce split times, its effects are much more useful when shooting longer strings of rounds. There is almost no benefit for one and two shot strings. Are you shooting the Mid-South standards? This. It's obvious the second shooter has a little more skill... |
| The BC or any compensator will not help the speed of follow up shots or split times per se, but should help the shooters ability to maintain a certain standard of accuracy while taking faster follow up shots or decreasing the split times while maintaining same accuracy standards. As others have mentioned shooter skill will dictate everything on reaction times to first shot fired with accuracy. Keep up the hard work and training! |
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The differences in that video have nothing to do with gear and everything to do with technique. I went through a brake stage and had two Triple Taps and two BattleComps. It only lasted abut 9 months after running a shoot house without the suppressor and dong a couple night shoots unsuppressed. I realized I was seeing very little benefit with trade offs that were not worth it to me.
I can shoot my Glock 9mm and 1911 with similar times even tough my 1911's have a little more recoil. The fact is, at least for me, that even though my sights may move a little more, they still come back to the same place in aut the same amount of time with a proper grip. With a brake, my sights stay on target a little better. I've found n a precision rifle it makes more difference than on a fighting rifle not used at those distances. S from now on, I'm not running a brake unless it's a dedicated suppressed rifle to act as the sacrificial baffle. Since none of my rifles are run 100% suppressed, I'm back to flash hiders. On a side note, it's not a race to get your rifle out of action... After running your drill keep your rifle on target, get a good sight picture and trigger reset....then scan your environment and actually make eye contact with something on each side, don't just twist your head around. Then engage the safety and lower your weapon. Right now, a brake is the last thing I'd focus on. Make sure your rifle is set up properly for your needs and spend some time traning. I don't necessarily think there's anything wrong with someone installing a brake right off the bat or even adding an improved trigger, but my suggestion would be to spend time on the standard equipment and learn it well. Then when you add a brake or improved trigger, you may actually be able to take advantage of it and also you'll be able to judge if it really is a benefit or not. As for the BattleComp, I think it's worth the money they charge for it if you need what it offers. They do a pretty good job of giving you some extra muzzle control without adding too much extra flash or concussion. It's still more, just not as bad as a Surefire brake, for example. Is your friend a professional trainer or a shooter that was giving you instruction? If he's a friend, he'll likely take you through what you want and you might need to ask for Helton the fundamentals... A professional will likely take you through what you need, at least hopefully. |
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I'm not fully understanding what's going on here. Which one in the video is you? you made it sound like the guy training you had the BattleComp and you have the Vortex, but in the video the guy that's not as good has the BattleComp on his rifle. Is either one you or is this a video you found? I made the comment about what you're doing after the drill under the assumption the guy without the chest gear was you.
If you look closely in the video, both rifles seem to be recoiling about the same. EDIT - Ok, now I'm assuming you're the better shooter in the video with the chest rig. In your case, if you look closely, you've already recovered from the recoil well before the next shot. I don't think the BC will make any difference in your times. |
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I am the shooter with the chest rig. I asked this question because I didn't see my friend really benefitting from his $150 purchase. At the time, I didn't think to try his rifle out to see if it was any faster. If I were to do the test I would have to swap out optics to make it fair too as the Aimpoint is "zero" parallax.
So if the Battle Comp doesn't really mitigate recoil and muzzle flip, what are its advantages over a flash hider? |
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I was doing some drills with a friend for time. I have a Smith Vortex on my rifle, and my buddy just bought a Battle Comp for his. Is the Battle Comp really worth $150? I didn't record the splits, but you should be able to hear the difference in speed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqmkW2JN8tE um this is not really a fair comparison, the bigger guy has not had very much time behind the rifle. A brake or BC definitely helps keep the rifle on target. You are only doing 2 rounds try doing 10 rds in 2 seconds from 10 yds on a 8" plate. |
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Quoted: I am the shooter with the chest rig. I asked this question because I didn't see my friend really benefitting from his $150 purchase. At the time, I didn't think to try his rifle out to see if it was any faster. If I were to do the test I would have to swap out optics to make it fair too as the Aimpoint is "zero" parallax. So if the Battle Comp doesn't really mitigate recoil and muzzle flip, what are its advantages over a flash hider? it does mitigate recoil and muzzle rise. This thread seems really pointless, you didnt test anything and all you have is a video that has almost nothing to do with muzzle breaks/comps. <Off-topic comment removed - Z> |
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I am the shooter with the chest rig. I asked this question because I didn't see my friend really benefitting from his $150 purchase. At the time, I didn't think to try his rifle out to see if it was any faster. If I were to do the test I would have to swap out optics to make it fair too as the Aimpoint is "zero" parallax. So if the Battle Comp doesn't really mitigate recoil and muzzle flip, what are its advantages over a flash hider? Is this a joke? How can you compare two piece equipment when you didn't even use the other muzzle device? Thats like saying the Surefire Brake is worthless because Kyle Lamb shoots better than me with a naked barrel than me with a brake. |
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I was doing some drills with a friend for time. I have a Smith Vortex on my rifle, and my buddy just bought a Battle Comp for his. Is the Battle Comp really worth $150? I didn't record the splits, but you should be able to hear the difference in speed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqmkW2JN8tE um this is not really a fair comparison, the bigger guy has not had very much time behind the rifle. A brake or BC definitely helps keep the rifle on target. You are only doing 2 rounds try doing 10 rds in 2 seconds from 10 yds on a 8" plate. Alright, I'll try that next time. But yeah, my friend has spent a couple grand on high speed stuff over the last month. I'm not sure if it's working for him yet. |
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I am the shooter with the chest rig. I asked this question because I didn't see my friend really benefitting from his $150 purchase. At the time, I didn't think to try his rifle out to see if it was any faster. If I were to do the test I would have to swap out optics to make it fair too as the Aimpoint is "zero" parallax. So if the Battle Comp doesn't really mitigate recoil and muzzle flip, what are its advantages over a flash hider? As others are stating you would need to do an apples to apples type comparison on your own times and your shooting. Any compensator worth anything should give the advantage of being able to place faster follow up shots while maintaining the same accuracy standards. This is done of course by mitigating recoil, or directing the recoil impulse in a linear motion directly to the rear with less movement in any other direction off of this rearward recoil axis, therefore keeping the sights on target or nearer to on target so that a faster target acquisition can be done therefore cutting down split times between shots while maintaining accuracy. However the BC is not the best pure "compensator" on the market. As a matter of fact for any muzzle device, it is not THE best at any one thing. Usually a device that excels greatly at one thing, lacks greatly in other areas. However the BC does many things very well, while not being the best at any one thing. Is it worth it? Well that really depends on who you ask and what their needs are and you will be the only one to judge that for yourself. |
| Just q quick question, is the second guy re-engaging the safety after firing and then doing a threat scan? Why? The point of the threat scan is to break tunnel vision and scan for additional threats. Safety should be off until it is determined there are no other. If there is a good argument or thought behind this manual of arms please let me know it. |
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Quoted: I am the shooter with the chest rig. I asked this question because I didn't see my friend really benefitting from his $150 purchase. At the time, I didn't think to try his rifle out to see if it was any faster. If I were to do the test I would have to swap out optics to make it fair too as the Aimpoint is "zero" parallax. So if the Battle Comp doesn't really mitigate recoil and muzzle flip, what are its advantages over a flash hider? Your technique is good, so using a brake will likely provide you with more accurate follow up shots in longer strings of fire (greater than two). As stated above, it may not decrease your split times, but the muzzle will stay flatter giving you smaller, more accurate groups for a given speed. Again, if you never shoot more than two shots in a row then a brake is pointless. |
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Just q quick question, is the second guy re-engaging the safety after firing and then doing a threat scan? Why? The point of the threat scan is to break tunnel vision and scan for additional threats. Safety should be off until it is determined there are no other. If there is a good argument or thought behind this manual of arms please let me know it. It's a bad habit formed from range Nazis always making sure I had my safety on while reloading back during my small bore days. At least I don't turn the safety on while doing a mag change.  I need to figure a way to overcome it, but luckily I can flip off the safety fairly fast at the moment.
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I am the shooter with the chest rig. I asked this question because I didn't see my friend really benefitting from his $150 purchase. At the time, I didn't think to try his rifle out to see if it was any faster. If I were to do the test I would have to swap out optics to make it fair too as the Aimpoint is "zero" parallax. So if the Battle Comp doesn't really mitigate recoil and muzzle flip, what are its advantages over a flash hider? Your technique is good, so using a brake will likely provide you with more accurate follow up shots in longer strings of fire (greater than two). As stated above, it may not decrease your split times, but the muzzle will stay flatter giving you smaller, more accurate groups for a given speed. Again, if you never shoot more than two shots in a row then a brake is pointless. So that means I should in theory be able to shoot faster using a BC and achieve the same sized groups as I would without any brake. |
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Alright, I'll try that next time. But yeah, my friend has spent a couple grand on high speed stuff over the last month. I'm not sure if it's working for him yet. The gear either helps the shooter if he has the time behind the rifle with the proper fundamentals or will make him look super duper cool but his shooting form will still suffer and no benefit gained. Looking over the video looks like he still needs to get some basics down. |
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The battlecomp is really effective. My 11.5 SBR has the lightest of recoil. It has a blast to it, and it is pretty loud. I paid 150 for it, and it is worth it to me. I would have liked it better if it was less though. ETA: I posted before i watched the video. In the drill where you had a simulated misfire, it did not seem realistic because you knew the misfire was going to happen. What about a mag loaded with random dummy rounds? Whatever though. I don't even have time or a place to practice like that, so I am completely unqualified to tell you how to do your drills. I just wish I could practice in such a way. |
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Is that y'all in the video? The BattleComp had nothing to do with the speed differences in that video––the guy with the chest rig had good technique and obviously much more practice. Technique and practice trumps gear selection. Once technique has been perfected and practiced, then worry about performance gear selection. While a compensator can reduce split times, its effects are much more useful when shooting longer strings of rounds. There is almost no benefit for one and two shot strings. Are you shooting the Mid-South standards? +1 In this vid, the second shooter was just a faster shooter. If you want do do a real comparison, you'd have the same person shoot the same drill with the different muzzle devices. |
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Is that y'all in the video? The BattleComp had nothing to do with the speed differences in that video––the guy with the chest rig had good technique and obviously much more practice. Technique and practice trumps gear selection. Once technique has been perfected and practiced, then worry about performance gear selection. While a compensator can reduce split times, its effects are much more useful when shooting longer strings of rounds. There is almost no benefit for one and two shot strings. Are you shooting the Mid-South standards? +1 In this vid, the second shooter was just a faster shooter. If you want do do a real comparison, you'd have the same person shoot the same drill with the different muzzle devices. I have tried this with both of my rifles and I can't tell a difference between the two. However, when I shoot IPDA I score better with the battle comp...go figure. |
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Would be interesting for you to shoot his gun and see what you thought of the comp. I didn't see much difference, but your two styles are completely different. Your forward grip is higher, you stand more straight on to the target, have good cheek weld. I think your good technique is making up for not having a comp when you compare the two of you.
I'm not saying it's going to mean a bit of difference, but equipment / experience / style all work together. |
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