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Posted: 9/8/2011 7:06:32 PM EDT
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In all the info exchanging hands here I see no mention of DSA, are they just not talked about here.
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They are in the Industry forum. Good peope, quality stuff. I've built 8 rifles using their complete lowers.
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They are in the Indutry forum. Good peope, quality stuff. I've built 8 rifles using their complete lowers. Link My first 3 lowers were DS. nothing wrong with them and the finish looked excellent, but the upper to lower fit was "old Colt loose". |
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Spend your money elsewhere!
My DSA lower had the front lug area machined too wide and all 5 uppers I tried in it were very loose. They also put an M4 stock on a CAR buffer tube which is not correct. Then they wanted me to pay to ship it back to them because their product was defective. Sorry, won't buy another. |
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Spend your money elsewhere! My DSA lower had the front lug area machined too wide and all 5 uppers I tried in it were very loose. They also put an M4 stock on a CAR buffer tube which is not correct. Then they wanted me to pay to ship it back to them because their product was defective. Sorry, won't buy another. QUE? |
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Spend your money elsewhere! My DSA lower had the front lug area machined too wide and all 5 uppers I tried in it were very loose. They also put an M4 stock on a CAR buffer tube which is not correct. Then they wanted me to pay to ship it back to them because their product was defective. Sorry, won't buy another. QUE? I was wondering the same thing. Could you please clarify this statement? |
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Some buddies and I picked up 5x of their stripped blemished lowers, couldn't really tell where any of the cosmetic blemishes were. LPK's went together with out a hitch. Guns went boom boom.
Ordered 2x of their stripped flat top uppers and built two 14.5" uppers. Everything went together just fine, put 200 rounds down each one to function check and break in, both still go boom boom. Quality of finish was awesome on the stripped uppers. Have not bought any of their complete uppers or rifles, have heard people have had issues ( non F marked front sight post ). Cheers BT |
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Spend your money elsewhere! My DSA lower had the front lug area machined too wide and all 5 uppers I tried in it were very loose. They also put an M4 stock on a CAR buffer tube which is not correct. Then they wanted me to pay to ship it back to them because their product was defective. Sorry, won't buy another. QUE? I was wondering the same thing. Could you please clarify this statement? The buffer tube doesn't come flush with the butt end of the stock when collapsed. Totally functional but not correct in my opinion. |
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Spend your money elsewhere! My DSA lower had the front lug area machined too wide and all 5 uppers I tried in it were very loose. They also put an M4 stock on a CAR buffer tube which is not correct. Then they wanted me to pay to ship it back to them because their product was defective. Sorry, won't buy another. QUE? No hablo Engles? Maybe I should have said M4 stock body. Either way, i think they should have put a CAR stock body on the shorter CAR buffer tube. |
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I got one of their ZM4 16 inch barrel and used it in my latest build, works pretty good so far. accuracy is good also. It stays on the ram @ 200yds at the local range. and that is good for me. LOL. I was wondering if you call it an M4orgery , a CAR or what?
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I have a DSA fluted & nitrided mid-length upper and it has been very accurate and dependable, shooting a pretty wide range of ammo quality (from Wolf to Black Hills and Hornady VMAX). The fit and finish are excellent- every bit as good as my Spikes midlength. I'm especially pleased with the precise alignment of the barrel extension M4 cuts to the upper receiver (this, in light of this thread). The rifle is completed with a BCM BCG, PSA lower & LPK, Giessele SSA trigger, Eotech 512, MOE/CTR furniture, and a Spikes buffer tube/ST-T2 buffer. |
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Spend your money elsewhere! My DSA lower had the front lug area machined too wide and all 5 uppers I tried in it were very loose. They also put an M4 stock on a CAR buffer tube which is not correct. Then they wanted me to pay to ship it back to them because their product was defective. Sorry, won't buy another. QUE? No hablo Engles? Maybe I should have said M4 stock body. Either way, i think they should have put a CAR stock body on the shorter CAR buffer tube. They put an M4 stock body on a 4-position buffer tube? Does your stock have 4 or 6 length options? I could be wrong but I don't believe DSA markets a 4 position tube. My M4 stock body is on a 6-position buffer tube and they are not flush at the end, so I'm not really sure what the problem is... Is there a buffer tube with an extra 1/2 in. of material at the end to make them flush when fully collapsed? I wouldn't want it if there is. Seems like additional weight for an ultimately cosmetic vanity. From what I understand, all of their lowers are manufactured to be loose, as this allows greater discrepancy in the upper's dimensions. Not that they make their uppers to poor standards, but that different manufacturers make their uppers to different fits, and this allows for guaranteed compatibility. This does not present a functional liability, but is rather a matter of preference. Throw an accuwedge in there and it won't jiggle. Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see what the defective product was. |
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Spend your money elsewhere! My DSA lower had the front lug area machined too wide and all 5 uppers I tried in it were very loose. They also put an M4 stock on a CAR buffer tube which is not correct. Then they wanted me to pay to ship it back to them because their product was defective. Sorry, won't buy another. QUE? No hablo Engles? Maybe I should have said M4 stock body. Either way, i think they should have put a CAR stock body on the shorter CAR buffer tube. They put an M4 stock body on a 4-position buffer tube? Does your stock have 4 or 6 length options? I could be wrong but I don't believe DSA markets a 4 position tube. My M4 stock body is on a 6-position buffer tube and they are not flush at the end, so I'm not really sure what the problem is... Is there a buffer tube with an extra 1/2 in. of material at the end to make them flush when fully collapsed? I wouldn't want it if there is. Seems like additional weight for an ultimately cosmetic vanity. From what I understand, all of their lowers are manufactured to be loose, as this allows greater discrepancy in the upper's dimensions. Not that they make their uppers to poor standards, but that different manufacturers make their uppers to different fits, and this allows for guaranteed compatibility. This does not present a functional liability, but is rather a matter of preference. Throw an accuwedge in there and it won't jiggle. Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see what the defective product was. 1/8 of an inch is not "machined loose"!! It is out of tolerance and no wedge is going to tighten that front lug up. It is poor machining and poor QC. I have "jiggly"lowers as you call it and it does not bother me, but when 5 diff uppers slide side to side on the DSA lower and don't slide side to side on POF, DPMSX2 and EssentialX2 lowers, you tell me where the problem is! and yes my other m4 stock bodies are flush when collapsed. Some pay attention to detail, obviously DSA DOES NOT. |
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1/8 of an inch is not "machined loose"!! It is out of tolerance and no wedge is going to tighten that front lug up. It is poor machining and poor QC. I have "jiggly"lowers as you call it and it does not bother me, but when 5 diff uppers slide side to side on the DSA lower and don't slide side to side on POF, DPMSX2 and EssentialX2 lowers, you tell me where the problem is! and yes my other m4 stock bodies are flush when collapsed. Some pay attention to detail, obviously DSA DOES NOT. Well, I didn't know it was 1/8" of sideways movement, as you never said that until just now. I agree, that is excessive and clearly should be taken care of by DSA. Yes, defective product. As for the stock body, as noted by others here, not all M4 stocks are flush with their respective 6-position buffer tubes. It depends on the manufacturer, but is not a defective product. I am sorry that you had a bad experience with DSA, and I understand your displeasure with your lower, but that doesn't mean that the company makes garbage. There are many, many people who run DSA ARs and are perfectly satisfied with them. Likewise, I could find a dozen threads on here about Colt, PSA, DPMS, RRA, etc. rifles that were out of spec. Does that mean that all of these manufacturers have bad QC and should be considered junk, and otherwise avoided? No, rather the fact is that sometimes things slip by, sometimes an out-of-spec part makes it into the market, and I'm am sorry that you had to receive one of these. I don't know who you spoke with at DSA, but clearly it was the wrong person (as demonstrated by numerous threads about other manufacturers on here), or the problem was not understood. I'm not saying that DSA makes the greatest AR on the market, but they don't make garbage as you say. Not saying you should be happy about your experience, but it's not representative of their rifles as a whole. 
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