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Posted: 7/5/2011 4:50:10 PM EDT
| Anyone familiar with a fellow, I believe in Colorado, who specializes in AR-15 trigger work. Supposed to be pretty good and not too expensive. |
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IMHO just buy a better trigger, try ADCO for a $125 geissele s2s trigger. Got mine today - looks and feels very nice. How does it compare to the SSA? Haven't tried it yet - for a build - maybe this weekend. I also have the SSA luckily! I am guessing more like a RRA 2 stage - but that's just a guess |
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Quoted: Bill Springfield, He has done three triggers for me I'm happy with all of them. I think he charge about $39.00. Do a Google search he has a Website. I googled for you. And an excerpt, I recently dropped six HK pistols off with Bill Springfield for trigger work. I stressed the importance that I placed on reliability, and that far outweighed any reduction in trigger pull weight. Bill assured me that his trigger work would not compromise reliability. After getting the pistols back, I made a functional check before test-firing them. The first pistol, a P30/S followed when I racked the slide. I then checked the second pistol, another P30/S. When I would lock the slide back, and depress the slide release, this one would follow about two in five times. I next checked an HK 45C with an LEM trigger. Intermittently, the trigger would stay back, and not release, when dry firing. The fourth pistol, an HK 45 with an LEM trigger just felt too light to me. The last two pistols, both HK 45’s with variant nine triggers, did not follow. I didn’t bother shooting the P30/S pistols, given they were following when racking the slide. The HK 45C functioned on the range, as did the two HK 45 pistols with variant nine triggers. The HK 45 with the LEM trigger failed to ignite the first round, and about one in five rounds thereafter. Since I happened to be in CO now, I made an appointment to drive two hours over to Colorado Springs this morning and get Bill to correct the problems. I confirmed my visit yesterday, and then about ten minutes out this morning. When I got to the door there was no response to my ringing the bell or knocking on the door. No answer to my phone call to his number. Finally, his wife appeared and said he would be with me shortly. When I saw Bill, I was startled as he was very red in the face and forehead and looked quite disheveled. It wasn’t clear whether he recognized me, and he seemed to be slurring his words. I asked whether this was a bad time for me to be visiting and he said it was a fine time. I asked whether he wanted me to stand by and give him one pistol at a time, with an explanation of what was wrong, but he said he just wanted me to leave them with him for an hour. I explained the defects in the two P30/S pistols, the two LEM pistols, and one HK 45 that had a somewhat creepy trigger after his work. I then asked him to repeat to me what was wrong with each pistol, and he didn’t seem to have it straight. I then took a piece of paper, listed each of the five pistols and what was wrong. I then told him that I would be waiting in his driveway, working on my computer, and that he should not hesitate to ask me questions. As you might imagine, this was not a happy situation for me, but I felt like I owed him the opportunity to make the work right. In about an hour, Bill came out and told me that he had fixed all the pistols. I went to where he had four pistols in a box. I first grabbed a P30/S, worked the slide vigorously and the hammer followed. Same with the second P30/S. I then grabbed the HK 45C, pulled the LEM trigger, and the trigger stayed to the rear. Bill took the pistol, worked the slide once or twice, where upon the trigger came forward, and said "I can’t replicate that problem.” I was somewhat incredulous, but calmly showed him the malfunction, and he had a puzzled look. I didn’t even discuss the HK 45 with the LEM trigger that was still dangerously light. At that point, I realized I wanted to leave as quickly as possible, but there was no sign of the HK 45 I had left. Bill said he didn’t know where it was, and questioned whether I had left four or five pistols. I asked him to look at the piece of paper where I listed all five pistols, and their problem, and Bill then disappeared looking for the pistol, and came back saying he couldn’t find it. He then said that I should look around his sofa, which I did without success. He then questioned again whether I had left the pistol with him. A family member then arrived, and I explained that we had a missing pistol. The family member went and found the pistol. The family member and I had a brief conversation, at which point I left. Since I have at least four pistols with safety issues, I will be sending all six pistols Bill worked on back to HK, to have Travis in Customer Service go through each one, and replace all necessary parts. I make this report with sadness, but given the seriousness of firearms, out of an obligation to alert anyone presently considering using Bill Springfield for trigger work. |
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From Bill's site: "I recommend the 4lbs pull for duty and field rifles, 3lbs works perfectly for long range and target style shooting." I've had 2 triggers worked on by Bill. The first was a standard AR trigger and I decided, against Bill's advice posted above, to have the 3# trigger job done on it. I have not measured it with a scale, but it is light, too light. It bump fires. The second was an M&P 15/22 trigger. From the factory it was so heavy my 9 year old daughter could not pull it with 1 finger. Bill did a fine job on that trigger and the kids love the M&P. I would recommend Bill, but would stick with the 4.5# for a duty/field rifle like he recommends. |
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AR15 trigger work can be pretty tricky. If your looking for a a Mil-Spec trigger that is reliable and clean, that's possible and is done everyday. The process doesn't change any geometries and just polishes the engagement surfaces and does not compromise hardness. The kicker is checking the disco distances and making sure the trigger nose is fully engaged with the hammer. A good AR smith should be able to do this very easily.
If your looking for an excellent trigger however, Geissele is the way to go. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Bill Springfield, He has done three triggers for me I'm happy with all of them. I think he charge about $39.00. Do a Google search he has a Website. I googled for you. And an excerpt, I recently dropped six HK pistols off with Bill Springfield for trigger work. I stressed the importance that I placed on reliability, and that far outweighed any reduction in trigger pull weight. Bill assured me that his trigger work would not compromise reliability. After getting the pistols back, I made a functional check before test-firing them. The first pistol, a P30/S followed when I racked the slide. I then checked the second pistol, another P30/S. When I would lock the slide back, and depress the slide release, this one would follow about two in five times. I next checked an HK 45C with an LEM trigger. Intermittently, the trigger would stay back, and not release, when dry firing. The fourth pistol, an HK 45 with an LEM trigger just felt too light to me. The last two pistols, both HK 45’s with variant nine triggers, did not follow. I didn’t bother shooting the P30/S pistols, given they were following when racking the slide. The HK 45C functioned on the range, as did the two HK 45 pistols with variant nine triggers. The HK 45 with the LEM trigger failed to ignite the first round, and about one in five rounds thereafter. Since I happened to be in CO now, I made an appointment to drive two hours over to Colorado Springs this morning and get Bill to correct the problems. I confirmed my visit yesterday, and then about ten minutes out this morning. When I got to the door there was no response to my ringing the bell or knocking on the door. No answer to my phone call to his number. Finally, his wife appeared and said he would be with me shortly. When I saw Bill, I was startled as he was very red in the face and forehead and looked quite disheveled. It wasn’t clear whether he recognized me, and he seemed to be slurring his words. I asked whether this was a bad time for me to be visiting and he said it was a fine time. I asked whether he wanted me to stand by and give him one pistol at a time, with an explanation of what was wrong, but he said he just wanted me to leave them with him for an hour. I explained the defects in the two P30/S pistols, the two LEM pistols, and one HK 45 that had a somewhat creepy trigger after his work. I then asked him to repeat to me what was wrong with each pistol, and he didn’t seem to have it straight. I then took a piece of paper, listed each of the five pistols and what was wrong. I then told him that I would be waiting in his driveway, working on my computer, and that he should not hesitate to ask me questions. As you might imagine, this was not a happy situation for me, but I felt like I owed him the opportunity to make the work right. In about an hour, Bill came out and told me that he had fixed all the pistols. I went to where he had four pistols in a box. I first grabbed a P30/S, worked the slide vigorously and the hammer followed. Same with the second P30/S. I then grabbed the HK 45C, pulled the LEM trigger, and the trigger stayed to the rear. Bill took the pistol, worked the slide once or twice, where upon the trigger came forward, and said "I can’t replicate that problem.” I was somewhat incredulous, but calmly showed him the malfunction, and he had a puzzled look. I didn’t even discuss the HK 45 with the LEM trigger that was still dangerously light. At that point, I realized I wanted to leave as quickly as possible, but there was no sign of the HK 45 I had left. Bill said he didn’t know where it was, and questioned whether I had left four or five pistols. I asked him to look at the piece of paper where I listed all five pistols, and their problem, and Bill then disappeared looking for the pistol, and came back saying he couldn’t find it. He then said that I should look around his sofa, which I did without success. He then questioned again whether I had left the pistol with him. A family member then arrived, and I explained that we had a missing pistol. The family member went and found the pistol. The family member and I had a brief conversation, at which point I left. Since I have at least four pistols with safety issues, I will be sending all six pistols Bill worked on back to HK, to have Travis in Customer Service go through each one, and replace all necessary parts. I make this report with sadness, but given the seriousness of firearms, out of an obligation to alert anyone presently considering using Bill Springfield for trigger work. That is the level of "professionalism" I have encountered over and over with "gunsmiths" who work out of their home. These days, if you don't have a business reputation to protect, I'm not even taking the chance. |
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If you don't care about looks just functionality...
Until you're ready to drop the funds on a geissele or something along those lines just slap this on there. It works as advertised my trigger pull is roughly 3.5lbs with it... 100% reliability because it doesn't change any of your parts just goes on the outside. |
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IMHO just buy a better trigger, try ADCO for a $125 geissele s2s trigger. Got mine today - looks and feels very nice. How does it compare to the SSA? Haven't tried it yet - for a build - maybe this weekend. I also have the SSA luckily! I am guessing more like a RRA 2 stage - but that's just a guess I have just picked up an S2S also....and I think you'll find its more SSA than RRA Early days yet, but have managed to shoot about 150 rounds with mine - it feels exactly like an SSA to me....perhaps slightly (and I'm splitting a hair here) less smooth through the first stage and on the reset - but functionally, an SSA for $125.....I think this trigger is going to do very well. |
| I lend little creedance to all the threads about Bill as most have no actual experience with the product, but just parrot others to sound knowledgeable. A few years ago I sent him a RRA trigger group out of a 9mm I was turning into an SBR. The factory group was total garbage so I figured anything is better than this. When it came back, in a week or less, it was a new unit. Dressed in JP yellow springs it outclasses any trigger I have no matter what the platform. I opted for the 4-pound version and couldn't be happier. Smooth, clean and crisp. Now, as I do another SBR...I am having second thoughts. The JP springs only come on the 3-pound version now and I think thats too light for what I do. The story about the HK pistols worries me.....sounds conviencing. I'll wait a bit and keep looking to see what I think. The Geissl's, JP's, Wilson TTU's all sound great....but expnsive. I'm not shooting for money and only need a smooth, single-stage unit. $40 To acheive that sounds great in my book, but I don't want a homemade MG at the end of the day either. All the $200 plus triggers just look like the latest pig tail gas tubes and Matech sights to me. The PD I work as a dispatcher for doesn't allow anything other than stock triggers......too much liability. |
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Quoted: I lend little creedance to all the threads about Bill as most have no actual experience with the product, but just parrot others to sound knowledgeable. A few years ago I sent him a RRA trigger group out of a 9mm I was turning into an SBR. The factory group was total garbage so I figured anything is better than this. When it came back, in a week or less, it was a new unit. Dressed in JP yellow springs it outclasses any trigger I have no matter what the platform. I opted for the 4-pound version and couldn't be happier. Smooth, clean and crisp. Now, as I do another SBR...I am having second thoughts. The JP springs only come on the 3-pound version now and I think thats too light for what I do. The story about the HK pistols worries me.....sounds conviencing. I'll wait a bit and keep looking to see what I think. The Geissl's, JP's, Wilson TTU's all sound great....but expnsive. I'm not shooting for money and only need a smooth, single-stage unit. $40 To acheive that sounds great in my book, but I don't want a homemade MG at the end of the day either. All the $200 plus triggers just look like the latest pig tail gas tubes and Matech sights to me. The PD I work as a dispatcher for doesn't allow anything other than stock triggers......too much liability. ![]() You post about too much liability and in the same post "lend little creedance (sic)" to numerous threads about unsafe and illegal triggers attributed to Bill Springfield? Whenever I read these kind of things the first thing that comes to mind isn't "Gee I should run and get one so I can save a couple of bucks" |
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I am wanting to do something different with my trigger as well but also dont have the need for a high end unit... just want a clean break no creep single stage thats reasonable pull.
After reading the back in forth about Bill Springfield, not sure I want to risk it but that kind of a trigger seems like a good solution for those who really don't need more than a clean simple option. Maybe keep an eye out for more feedback and see what happens with others or maybe if someone else comes into the market for people like myself who dont 3 gun, or varmit shoot, etc... just want a good clean breaking reliable trigger in a go to gun. |
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