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Posted: 6/12/2011 5:27:35 AM EDT
| I'll soon be pulling the trigger,on a new one!My head is spinning as usual as it will be a decent amount of money.I don't want to "buy twice" as i have with other items.If you vote other,please let me know what!Thanks |
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Quoted: I don't think you can get anything more reliable than the factory trigger, given it's a quality LPK. This. 2-stage trigger and all these fancy over $100 triggers DO NOT = "SHTF/HD" triggers. A stock trigger is just fine. People in the military, who ACTUALLY get shot at, dont go to their armorers and say "Oh hey dude make sure this rifle has a SHTF trigger in it or im not leaving the FOB" |
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I only own one AR-15 and the trigger is not the best for accuracy(Colt 6920) so from everything I have read I will not change the trigger in it because I want total reliability from my rifle if shit should ever hit the fan. If your rifle is more for fun then saving life and limb then there's no problem changing it out.
When I buy another AR as a have fun gun, then I will get a better trigger if the new guns trigger sucks. |
| If its your only AR, I'd suggest maybe sending the stock trigger in and having a pro massage it a little if you think its necessary. I wouldn't go much lower than 4 1/2 - 5lbs though, mostly just a clean up is all. 3lb tactical triggers are ok for competition or things where you probably wouldn't invite legal questions in the event of an otherwise clean shoot. |
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All these people ragging on 2 stage triggers claiming single stage to be more reliable, where is your proof? Wasn't the M14/M1A a 2 stage trigger? Sometimes I think people get overly hung up on "kiss" and they let their ignorance show through.
A quality 2 stage (SSA) will be plenty reliable. |
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I don't think you can get anything more reliable than the factory trigger, given it's a quality LPK. This. 2-stage trigger and all these fancy over $100 triggers DO NOT = "SHTF/HD" triggers. A stock trigger is just fine. People in the military, who ACTUALLY get shot at, dont go to their armorers and say "Oh hey dude make sure this rifle has a SHTF trigger in it or im not leaving the FOB" Then why does USSOCOM use Geissele triggers? |
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Quoted: All these people ragging on 2 stage triggers claiming single stage to be more reliable, where is your proof? Wasn't the M14/M1A a 2 stage trigger? Sometimes I think people get overly hung up on "kiss" and they let their ignorance show through. A quality 2 stage (SSA) will be plenty reliable. The tens of millions of M-16 family of rifles built, of which millions are currently issued, and hundreds of thousands used in combat. The M-14 was only a service wide issued rifle for a VERY short time, and has never seen as much combat as the M-16. Two stage triggers are great for match rifles. Personally, when doing more dynamic styles of shooting, I prefer to know my shot is going to break as soon as I squeeze the trigger, not after taking up the first stage, finding the second, then having the shot break. For me, 2 stage triggers are for target guns. There |
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I don't think you can get anything more reliable than the factory trigger, given it's a quality LPK. This. 2-stage trigger and all these fancy over $100 triggers DO NOT = "SHTF/HD" triggers. A stock trigger is just fine. People in the military, who ACTUALLY get shot at, dont go to their armorers and say "Oh hey dude make sure this rifle has a SHTF trigger in it or im not leaving the FOB" Then why does USSOCOM use Geissele triggers? I'm glad you think that trigger is their match trigger... 
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The Geissele trigger that SOCOM uses is not a match Geissele trigger, it is really nothing more that a slightly modified stock trigger made with better components/better care. Here it is: http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/botach_2162_697391478 I'm not interested in a "match" trigger.(while the S3G is called one)Leaning more towards the SSA. |
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All these people ragging on 2 stage triggers claiming single stage to be more reliable, where is your proof? Wasn't the M14/M1A a 2 stage trigger? Sometimes I think people get overly hung up on "kiss" and they let their ignorance show through. A quality 2 stage (SSA) will be plenty reliable. The tens of millions of M-16 family of rifles built, of which millions are currently issued, and hundreds of thousands used in combat. The M-14 was only a service wide issued rifle for a VERY short time, and has never seen as much combat as the M-16. Two stage triggers are great for match rifles. Personally, when doing more dynamic styles of shooting, I prefer to know my shot is going to break as soon as I squeeze the trigger, not after taking up the first stage, finding the second, then having the shot break. For me, 2 stage triggers are for target guns. There This only proves the reliability of the single stage, not the unreliability of a two stage.. A two stage can be pulled through just as quickly as a single stage if need be. |
| Go with a Geissele. All 2-stages are not made equally, and Geissele stands head and shoulders above the rest. I have the SD-C, which has the flat trigger with a 2 stage pull. The 1st stage is 2.5-3lbs and the 2nd stage is 2lbs. I have not found it to impede my ability to shoot at speed when compared to a stock GI trigger. The improvement for accurately placing single rounds is noticeable. You simply take out the 1st stage and then when you want the shot to break, it simply does. I would ask those who are disparaging the reliability of a 2 stage trigger to provide some evidence of Geissele triggers breaking. Other than the S2S, they use wire edm cut hardened tool steel for all their triggers and every single trigger is MPI'd. The only instances of breakages I've ever heard were a batch that was improperly hardened. |
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I don't think you can get anything more reliable than the factory trigger, given it's a quality LPK. This. 2-stage trigger and all these fancy over $100 triggers DO NOT = "SHTF/HD" triggers. A stock trigger is just fine. People in the military, who ACTUALLY get shot at, dont go to their armorers and say "Oh hey dude make sure this rifle has a SHTF trigger in it or im not leaving the FOB" +1 
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The Geissele trigger that SOCOM uses is not a match Geissele trigger, it is really nothing more that a slightly modified stock trigger made with better components/better care. Here it is: http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/botach_2162_697391478 I'm not interested in a "match" trigger.(while the S3G is called one)Leaning more towards the SSA. No one should be forced to live with the mil-spec single stage trigger. I voted SSA. I have one, and it is a great trigger. While it is a two stage trigger, its movement is incredibly smooth. I have no problem shooting it like a single stage trigger when speed is needed. When I am pushing the limits of my marksmanship it is very nice to have the crisp release of the second stage. Buy an SSA with confidence. I have recently installed both SDE and SD3G triggers into customer guns. These are similar to the SSA-E and S3G respectively, except for the flat trigger blade. These are extremely nice triggers. The flat trigger blade provides great feed back for your trigger finger. If anything were to replace my SSA it would be one of these two triggers. I really am not sure which it would be. |
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All these people ragging on 2 stage triggers claiming single stage to be more reliable, where is your proof? Wasn't the M14/M1A a 2 stage trigger? Sometimes I think people get overly hung up on "kiss" and they let their ignorance show through. A quality 2 stage (SSA) will be plenty reliable. The tens of millions of M-16 family of rifles built, of which millions are currently issued, and hundreds of thousands used in combat. The M-14 was only a service wide issued rifle for a VERY short time, and has never seen as much combat as the M-16. Two stage triggers are great for match rifles. Personally, when doing more dynamic styles of shooting, I prefer to know my shot is going to break as soon as I squeeze the trigger, not after taking up the first stage, finding the second, then having the shot break. For me, 2 stage triggers are for target guns. There This only proves the reliability of the single stage, not the unreliability of a two stage.. A two stage can be pulled through just as quickly as a single stage if need be. Indeed. While the M14 may have only seen a short term as the standard issue rifle, it stills see service use today. I doubt the M14s "over there" are reserved for range use only. Additionally the M14 trigger is the M1 Garand's trigger, which I think saw some world wide service use, way back when... Furthermore the M14's short service life had nothing to do with the design of its trigger. 
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Are the SSA's good with fast follow up shots/rapid fire? For me they are indeed. The SSA's are smooth when brand new, and even more so after several hundred rounds. In addition to their superior geometry, the materials and finish of Geissele triggers are superior to that of the mil-spec triggers as well. It requires no special effort to shoot a SSA trigger as a single stage. This is how I operate the trigger when shooting for "speed". There maybe a bit more trigger travel in the SSA than the mil-spec single stage. I do not know for sure, it feels like there is when I shoot the SSA against the standard trigger. But the really important aspect of the SSA trigger for me is its smooth, smooth pull. There is no grittiness in it at all. So for a fast shot, or fast shots, the SSA is far superior to the mil-spec. For me the SSA is an asset with no down side. I wish they were less costly, but then it alos likely the quality would suffer. I should add I do not believe the SSA, or SDE/SD3G, triggers are needed to shoot well. In fact the better shooter you are, the less the absolute quality of the trigger is important. There is no doubt that there are many here who can out shoot me in any scenario regardless of the trigger in their rifle. Good for them. I build rifles for a living. I am used to bolt actions with single stage triggers usually topping out at 2.5lbs. I do not choose the live with the six plus pound piece of shit, that is the mil-spec trigger. ETA: Link to Mike Pannone article on AR Combat Match Triggers. The resistance to good triggers in service rifles and carbine is as ill conceived and counter productive a concept as forcing a NY2 trigger into a policeman's Glock. |
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2 stage/single stage, whatever....there really isn't enough of a difference to matter; plenty of armies around the world use or have used one or the other or both....and have done so effectively. With the exception of a few folk who get to specify what they want, everyone else gets issued what they are issued and gets on with it. When you don't have a choice in the matter, there's no point whittling about it.
When selecting one for yourself, it is completely down to personal preference, so long as you get a robust and reliable trigger. Whether it be single stage or 2 stage matters not - as a rule, single stage is a bit quicker for close up hosing, 2 stage is a bit better for long range accuracy....but either situation can be gotten around with practice, skill and experience, which is a damn sight more important than the actual trigger. Look at some of the top pistol shooters using Glocks....they don't seem hindered in any way using a 2 stage. The non adjusting Geissele triggers such as the SSA are every bit as robust as a GI trigger even though they are 2 stage. Bearing in mind your "SHTF/HD" requirement, whatever trigger you get, I'd suggest not getting any kind of lightened pull type trigger....about 4.5lb total pull weight seems to be the sweet spot for most people. My suggestion would be, if at all possible, to try a good single stage around that weight (such as a properly set up JP tactical, or a TTU etc) and then some good 2 stages (None better than a Geissele SSA/SD-C/new S2S sounds very promising), and see which one you prefer. |
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This thread has so many inaccuracies regarding the belief that the mil spec trigger or colt type single stage is more reliably or better suited for a HD or hard use gun than the SSA which has built an absolute impeccable track record in terms of uber reliability, and it never hurts that they feel like a million bucks.
If you wanna handicap yourself, by all means...enjoy that shitty ass gritty 9-10lb pulling G.I. type 
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Quoted: A two-stage has too many moving part for a SHTF designation. Use a single-stage; this is why I voted for the TTU. I'm just curious, how many two stage triggers got US troops killed in WWI, WWII, Korea and early Vietnam? To the OP, I'd get a Geissele trigger without adjustment screws. Pick whichever one you like. |
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A two-stage has too many moving part for a SHTF designation. Use a single-stage; this is why I voted for the TTU. I'm just curious, how many two stage triggers got US troops killed in WWI, WWII, Korea and early Vietnam? To the OP, I'd get a Geissele trigger without adjustment screws. Pick whichever one you like. It's deff. gonna be a Geissele,more than likely the SSA. |
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