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Posted: 4/10/2011 12:15:13 AM EDT
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I have been looking at the SSA-E version but Midway has this on sale at the moment, the Super Dynamic trigger-combat version trigger
I just don't know about the super dynamic trigger. Specs are similar to the SSA-E but I just don't know about that straight trigger bow. Any input or thoughts from the hive? Thanks, Indy |
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Here's the info that you need and then some to make YOUR choice: http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=65283
I have an SSA, fwiw, and I like it. It has helped me out at distance, meaning out to 305 yards. Yeah, I know that ain't shit, but, hey, I'm not a Tier 1 Spec Ops guy, okay?!  There's a guy in the thread above who feels that a "good" stock trigger will do everything he needs out to 400 some-odd yards and that within this range a person should really just try to learn their stock trigger. Can't argue with that, but I personally have benefitted from the SSA at longer distance, as my stock trigger was gritty and unpredictable as hell.
I honestly do not use my middy like a fighting gun and need way more instruction on CQB-type use of my rifle (meaning how to really freaking use my rifle the way it is intended to be used). As such, I can only tell you that shooting proned out and with sandbags, and in other shooting positions other than the bench, the trigger has helped me when shooting at 300 yards due to the trigger being nice and smooth. Some of my friends, however, have had great luck with their stock triggers and have very decent triggers. I've told them to forget about copying me and to just stick with their stock triggers. Once again, there's a guy in the link above who was doing some pretty fast shooting using a Colt with a stock trigger and a Noveske with an SSA and he ran a faster time and split times with the STOCK trigger. But, the difference was minuscule, but a difference nevertheless. Sooo, you just gotta ask yourself if you really need an SS-whatever trigger because your stock trigger really sucks and if you are gonna need one, what are you using your rifle for? Is it a SPR/DMR or a down and dirty fighting car-bean? Mine's a GP middy, so I chose the SSA. In the end, just shoot the shit out of your rifle and see how good you can get with what you have and then make changes as needed. This has been a PSA by yours truly, urbankaos04. |
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Nice post (first and all); well said.
I would look at Geissele's website and application guide and go from there. IMO, for most people, The standard SSA is as trick as you need to go. It's widely accepted as "the" battle rifle trigger; I purchased a rifle which came from the factory with an SSA and I thus became a convert. It's the only "G" trigger which is a "standard combat" trigger...the others are either DMR or competition triggers. It's like anything else in life: do we need it? No. Do we want it? Yes. If you've got the $, go for it, but as already said, a mil spec trigger is a lot cheaper and probably isn't going to hurt your groups any until you really get out there. |
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I agree with a lot of what urbankaos04 had to say. And I've got a DMR in one rifle and an SSA in my"high-speed-low-drag-uber-tier" carbine. And love them both.
I've got two retro builds with stock ~5.5lb triggers. I absolutely love them and won't touch them. I have a retro-ish lightweight carbine that has a 7.5# stock trigger in it. It's a bit heavy but it is smooth and consistant. I can put 10 rounds inside an 8" bullsize at 100yd with M193 ammo, open sights and 50 year old eyes. I ain't touching this carbine either. My last build is an M4gery. It's rocking an 8.5+ pound trigger and that's with one hammer spring leg UNDER the trigger. Something IS going to be done with this monster. BTW all of these builds are using the same brand of lpk, just bought, and built over a period of several years. I don't know what I'm going to do to the M4gery yet, probably reduced power springs as the trigger seems smooth enough, it's just waay to heavy. I'm holding off on buying a new trigger, as much as I think I want to try a new Gisselle, as this was supposed to be a budget build. 
Stock trigger can be good. Or they can be nasty. I'd recommend getting a lot of time behind your stock trigger while researching the options. That way when you're ready to upgrade you'll make a more informed decision based on your experience. |
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trigger .............................. ........ but I just don't know about that straight trigger bow. Any input or thoughts from the hive? Thanks, Indy I'm wondering about this part myself, Could anyone using the straight trigger bow comment ?????????? |
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I own the high speed service rifle trigger. A buddy of mine just bought an SSA-E which is a pound lighter than mine. The high speed is noticeably crisper. That said, the SSA-E blows every other trigger I've ever tried with the exception of the high speed out of the water. You'll be incredibly happy with it so long as you never try a geissele high speed. Also, there are no set screws to adjust. For anything outside of NRA high power, I'd say the geissele SSA-E would be perfect. I imagine the SSA is the same feeling except a pound heavier. It shouldn't be a problem. The normal geissele triggers kind of remind me of a finely tuned M1 Garand trigger. 4.5 pounds, a very slight amount of creep (and I mean very slight). |
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Thanks for the input guys, I appreciate it.
Actually both of my rifles are 20 inch HBAR types. Currently my RRA 223 HBAR has the stock RRA 2 stage trigger and I love that rifle and the way it feels and shoots. My son-in-law who just got out of boot camp last summer hates that trigger, but he loves the groups he gets with it. The other rifle is one I built and is a 6.5 Grendel but all I could find at the time when I built it (dec. 08 ) was a stock DPMS LPK. Now I do not like the feel, etc. of that trigger at all, much prefer the 2 stage RRA unit. The SSA (or SSA-E) is going to go in the Grendel. That being said I'm sure the old trusty 223 HBAR will "need" an upgrade later . All of my shooting is off of a bench or bipod in the field when I am hunting. Like one of you guys also said, "I am not a high speed, low drag Spec OPs operator type" so I do not need a carbine trigger. Then again for the style of shooting I do a DMR or other target type trigger would do but I just can't stomach spending almost $300 for a trigger, hell $200 is going to be bad enough. I know, I know... I could just get another RRA 2 stage unit and just stick with it, but I want something a little bit better than that. Actually a buddy of mine bought a Timney trigger for his bushy HBAR recently because he just couldn't stand the 2 stage trigger that was in it.
well I just will have to see what the money genie brings me and go from there. Thanks guys! Indy |
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You should just stick with the SSA-E in both rifles based on what you stated above. At least that's what I think. And the quality is MUCH better than that of the RRA trigger you have.
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When I went from a stock colt trigger to a gieselle ssa.....this was me > 
When I went from ssa to ssa e.... this was me > 
The difference is hard to put into words, but I thought the ssa was awesome until I got the ssa-e. If the ssa-e didn't feel so light I would run it in all my ar's, but I am more comfortable with the ssa in a "general purpose" rifle while the ssa e is a great precision trigger. |
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trigger .............................. ........ but I just don't know about that straight trigger bow. Any input or thoughts from the hive? Thanks, Indy I'm wondering about this part myself, Could anyone using the straight trigger bow comment ?????????? 1- Please do not say "hive" 2- Welcome aboard 3- That weird looking straight trigger bow is THE shit. I have milspec triggers, a reworked milspec trigger, Geissele DMR, Hi-Speed, and the SD3G. The SD3G is my absolute favorite and the straight bow feels more natural than a curved bow now. It is not for the timid or undsciplined. Keep your finger out of the guard until you are aiming at something that you don't mind putting a hole in. I did a review on the SD3G recently. I'll see if I can find it.... ETA: Here ya go.... If I understand it correctly, the Combat version is a little heavier than the 3G. I hope this helps. |
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trigger .............................. ........ but I just don't know about that straight trigger bow. Any input or thoughts from the hive? Thanks, Indy I'm wondering about this part myself, Could anyone using the straight trigger bow comment ?????????? 1- Please do not say "hive" 2- Welcome aboard 3- That weird looking straight trigger bow is THE shit. I have milspec triggers, a reworked milspec trigger, Geissele DMR, Hi-Speed, and the SD3G. The SD3G is my absolute favorite and the straight bow feels more natural than a curved bow now. It is not for the timid or undsciplined. Keep your finger out of the guard until you are aiming at something that you don't mind putting a hole in. I did a review on the SD3G recently. I'll see if I can find it.... ETA: Here ya go.... If I understand it correctly, the Combat version is a little heavier than the 3G. I hope this helps. OK, maybe a little off topic but why the no "Hive" comment? I have seen it one here for a while with no negative connotations, what has changed? Indy |
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trigger .............................. ........ but I just don't know about that straight trigger bow. Any input or thoughts from the hive? Thanks, Indy I'm wondering about this part myself, Could anyone using the straight trigger bow comment ?????????? 1- Please do not say "hive" 2- Welcome aboard 3- That weird looking straight trigger bow is THE shit. I have milspec triggers, a reworked milspec trigger, Geissele DMR, Hi-Speed, and the SD3G. The SD3G is my absolute favorite and the straight bow feels more natural than a curved bow now. It is not for the timid or undsciplined. Keep your finger out of the guard until you are aiming at something that you don't mind putting a hole in. I did a review on the SD3G recently. I'll see if I can find it.... ETA: Here ya go.... If I understand it correctly, the Combat version is a little heavier than the 3G. I hope this helps. OK, maybe a little off topic but why the no "Hive" comment? I have seen it one here for a while with no negative connotations, what has changed? Indy I'm just giving you a hard time. I just don't understand why people call the body of the forum "hive". It is still a free country, so far.... "hive" away if it makes you feel good
Onward.... the SD3G is perfection IMO. Get one. If you don't like it I'll trade you a DMR for it
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I now have a couple of thousand rounds on my SD-C trigger. I am really digging the flat bladed trigger - I think it really does work as advertised, trigger control is excellent. The break on the SD-C is very crisp; the total pull weight for both stages combined is 4.5lb but the flat blade makes it feel a little lighter. A regular SSA is also an excellent trigger and I doubt I'll swap the one I have for another SD-C - but going forward buying, I will now go for the flat blade every time.
Just a quick point I don't think anyone has mentioned yet, you should really compare the SSA-E with the new SD-E - whereas the SD-C is the flat bladed version of the SSA. |
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I now have a couple of thousand rounds on my SD-C trigger. I am really digging the flat bladed trigger - I think it really does work as advertised, trigger control is excellent. The break on the SD-C is very crisp; the total pull weight for both stages combined is 4.5lb but the flat blade makes it feel a little lighter. A regular SSA is also an excellent trigger and I doubt I'll swap the one I have for another SD-C - but going forward buying, I will now go for the flat blade every time. Just a quick point I don't think anyone has mentioned yet, you should really compare the SSA-E with the new SD-E - whereas the SD-C is the flat bladed version of the SSA. My stock trigger felt like two bricks rubbing each other with about an 8-9 Lb pull with 3 distinct rough spots as it travelled back forever. Bench rest groups were terrrible. Bought the Geissele SD-C and the groups were way smaller and the pull weight was about half the stock trigger and the letoff CRISP and predictable. Sometimes just the slightest MINUTE amount of creep but I had to really look for it. I ordered the SD-E trigger. My group size was a bit better - inch at 100 yds down to about 3/4 inch, the letoff was equally crisp, NO discernible creep and the pull is about 1 pound lighter than the SD-C. Was it worth the extra $55 for the SD-E over the SD-C to lose 1 pound of pull - for me YES because I like benchrest shooting. In the real world where the weapon could be used for SD I feel the SD-C would be a better choice. Subjective here - if I rate the SD-E 100 then the SD-C would be a 96. Like SA80Dan said, that Flat trigger really does make the pull feel better because you can move your finger to the bottom of the trigger and get more Leverage. I never want a bowed trigger again, try the flat trigger and you might agree. Discarding the stock trigger and installing the Geissele trigger made all the difference in the world: The stock trigger is Brick on Brick. The Geissele SD-C / SD-E is Ice on Ice. |
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In case no one has mentioned it yet, the straight trigger "bow" is a lot like the 1911 trigger design. I'm thinking it aids in consistency because no matter where you place your finger, the firing stopping point is the same. On a curved trigger, if you're too low, your finger will end further away from the rear of the trigger area when the gun is fired vs. if your finger were higher up. Probably something really minimal and negligible though.
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Well I did it, ordered myself a fathers day gift. I am tempting fate and I ordered a Super Dynamic - Enhanced!!! It will be waiting for me when I get home from work tomorrow. Field tests to be conducted this weekend!!!  Well I did take the SD-E trigger out last weekend and break it in. I guess I was expecting something more like my Rem 700 PSS trigger but it was better then the mil spec trigger. The group size did decrease but not to the sub-MOA level I was expecting. I do agree that this trigger would be excellent in a combat gun, I think I need to build a MK 12 now .
Oh and for those of you that recommended the flat trigger, thank you! That feature alone was almost worth the price of the trigger, I love the feel of it. Indy |
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