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Posted: 2/25/2011 7:41:24 AM EDT
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I know that you guys get this thread topic all the time. I've tried to avoid it but i just can't seam to. I've read till my eyes bleed and the wife is getting upset at all the time spent on the puter.
Money is not an issue, but i don't want to spend extra to get a name or stuff i don't need so here is what i want... I want a AR for self defence. i don't want to build it myself but I would like it customised a little. I want flip up back-up sights with absolute co-wittness. I don't want to see the front sight when not necesarry. I'd like it to be relitivly light, maybe 6-7lbs with all the trimmings: Aimpoint T-1 with Larue mount Combo and a front handle bipod conbo. possibly a light laser combo. This spikes upper seams to fit the bill and one of their cutom lowers to go with it. they don't list the weight? http://www.spikestactical.com/new/z/spikes-tactical-16-m4-le-upper-w9-bar-rail-556-p-477.html Am I on the right track? |
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sounds good.
and actually if you don't want to see the front sight you want a lower 1/3 co-witness not absolute. If you want lightweight, you need a lightweight profile barrel, and call them up and opt for the SAR rail. it is much lighter... and they should be able to give you a weight spec. wouldn't hurt your weight concerns to get a 14.5 with a perm attached muzzle device as well. |
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I meant I don't want an A2 front sight I want a flip down front and back and if my optic goes down I flip up and rock and roll as is. No need to remove the optic. I thought that one was the SAR rail. It looks the same and the SAR isn't listed on the sight. Sar rail is only available as a special order thing for now not on the website and only available with a phone call... and there is a bit of a wait on them from what i hear... check their industry forum for more info. |
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I meant I don't want an A2 front sight I want a flip down front and back and if my optic goes down I flip up and rock and roll as is. No need to remove the optic. I thought that one was the SAR rail. It looks the same and the SAR isn't listed on the sight. Sar rail is only available as a special order thing for now not on the website and only available with a phone call... and there is a bit of a wait on them from what i hear... check their industry forum for more info. Well, I ordered my upper with a SAR rail about a month ago and had it in less than two weeks. I guess it just depends. OP, based on your criteria here is what I'd suggest (you'll have to call Spikes to order this): Spikes lightweight M4 LE upper w/ 10" SAR rail. 9" is ok too, but 10" is going to give you a slightly better sight radius and also allow you more room to mount stuff (I'm also fairly confident that they have the 10" rails in stock; not so sure about the 9"). Spikes costom lower with whatever markings you want, and whatever furniture you want (I personally prefer the Magpul MOE grip and the Magpul CTR stock). As far as accessories, here are my suggestions: Optic: you're dead on. That Aimpoint is the way to go for a lightweight setup Light: Streamlight TLR-1. Very lightweight, low profile, ridiculously bright, and very affordable (~90$). A laser is completely unecessary; your Aimpoint will do everything a laser can do and more. The only thing a laser can do that your Aimpoint can't do is give your position away 
I'd ditch the bipod. That sucker is definitely going to take you over your weight limit. Look into getting a small handstop from a reputable company. I'd go with Magpul MBUS front and back sights. Affordable and very lightweight since they're not made out of metal. This is just my recommendation (since you asked  ).
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Good info on the 10" rail and I welcome all input. 
I do want it in my greassy little mits ASAP. So if you call them, you can basicly build to suit? Yes, that's how I ordered mine. Just be sure that you know exactly what you want and are precise in your description. Also re-read my original post. I changed/added some stuff that you might find helpful. |
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For your stated needs I would strongly recommend going with a fixed front sight, lower 1/3 cowitness, and the rear sight doesn't really matter. I know the chances of an aimpoint dying are insanely low, my H1 has been on for about 2 years now, but in the event that it does, you can immediately use the optic as a ghost ring and get good hits with the front sight. This is going to be the quickest way to get going if your optic dies (quick is good at HD distances) and with a lower 1/3 cowitness the front sight won't interfere with using the RDS. That is my only quibble with your plans, it seems your research has paid off.
You might also consider a BCM lightweight middy, either 14.5" or 16", and MOE handguards. Although the handguard weight will likely be a wash, the lighter barrel will help lower weight at the front of the rifle, where it matters most. I don't think a freefloat rail is really critical for your stated need, as all you'll really need to mount on them is a light and a sling. |
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I've never had anything in my sight picture before. I think it would distract me, and I'm not sure i could get used to it. Is going with a flip-up really adding that much time. They are easily deployed, right? Yeah, I'd say it comes down to personal preference mostly. It takes all of half a second to deploy your front sight, and honestly the Aimpoint is such a reliable optic...yeah, I probably wouldn't worry about it. I opted for an FSB, but once again I think it boils down to personal preference: 
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I've never had anything in my sight picture before. I think it would distract me, and I'm not sure i could get used to it. Is going with a flip-up really adding that much time. They are easily deployed, right? I could see it being distracting with absolute cowitness. With lower 1/3 and a RDS, which is used with a target focus, the front sight doesn't even register. It will ghost out with both eyes open and you will be able to see beyond it when your brain puts the images together. I have a X300 on my 12:00 rail, which is much bulkier than a FSP, and even with that I can still see beyond it due to the ghosting. |
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When I'm looking thru irons I naturally close one eye. Goes all the way back to 8 years old with a BB gun. I've always done both eyes open on RDS's, but I think the iron sights would be tuff habit to break.
Wouldn't that be an issue with lower 1/3 cowitness. As the RDS would then block some of my view? I figured it would be less of an issue with absolute cowitness, and it also might help break my iron sight habit beacause it's the exact same picture thru both sights. or I might be overthinkin things, i tend to do that. 
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OK so what I'm thinkin is this middy upper but with •ST Micro Gas Block, .750" Diameter Gas Seat
http://www.spikestactical.com/new/z/spikes-tactical-16-midlength-le-upper-w9-bar-rail-556-p-449.html and a 10" SAR rail, the afore mentioned Aimpoint T-1 w/ Larue mount and the Streamlight TLR-1 I know I've seen a forward grip with a small bipod that comes out of it? I supose I could just have a bi-pod that I could attach for prarie dogs and such. This rifle will be used for other things besides self defence. I just want to make sure it's rugged/reliable and up to it's main pupose. As far as the lower is there anything I should know. Like they have them with a "standard kit" and an "enhanced kit". I don't know what that means. |
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I've never had anything in my sight picture before. I think it would distract me, and I'm not sure i could get used to it. Is going with a flip-up really adding that much time. They are easily deployed, right? It's personal preference. Fixed sights are faster if your optic dies, but they get in the way, potentially hurting your ability identify a threat. I prefer folding front and rear, but I don't hunt bad guys for a living. I'd also skip the quad rail in favor of a modular free float forearm such as a Samson Evolution, Troy/VTAC TRX Extreme, JP/VTAC, Wilson Combat TRIM, or Apex CNC. Those allow you to mount rails where you want them and are generally lighter and more comfortable than their quad rail brethren. |
| I know what you are asking for. You want full co-witness, with flip ups. As for which manufacturer to choose, don't sweat it. Just pick a manufacturer who's name you like to say, or logo you like. They are all pretty reliable these days. I went 'middle of the road,' after reading and obsessing for weeks. Couldn't be happier with mine. Thousands of rounds trouble free so far. Just pick one, and spend the extra time searching the net for the best price. You wouldn't believe difference in what 2 web sites will sell the same rifle for. |
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