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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - What is the difference?? (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 2/24/2011 7:02:21 PM EDT
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can someone help me out and tell me what the difference is between these 2?
http://www.amazon.com/UTG-2-Piece-Metal-Quad-System/dp/B001WIUPJ0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=sporting-goods&qid=1298606441&sr=8-1 http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ARR238-7.html |
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Quoted: What i have heard and read is thar UTG is crap and is made for airsoft. I am not positive on this since i just assembled my AR and im still learning these small things. Maybe someone else can chime in. Thats half right. Crap? Yes. But its crap made for real guns |
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And exactly what makes them crap? seemed like all th reviews on cheaperthandirt were pretty good. Depends upon what you are using them for. Its construction leaves a lot to be desired for serious usage, also they do not keep the slots dimensionally correct. Still, for a safe queen (which most firearms actually are), or .22 LR fun gun, have at it. For a SD/HD carbine that I would be trusting my life, or the lives of my loved ones, I would keep the standard HG's on a carbine, or go with MOE's from MagPul, rather than go with UTG. As always, YMMV, and my opinion is worth the price you paid for it. |
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utg makes a made in the usa 6061 T6 hand rail that is a great product for the money. Agreed, but IMO, it is folly to think that $55-$60 will get you very much. Being good for its price range is not the same thing as being good. Again, if you use them and like them, fine. I choose to go a different route. |
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no difference in the pictures these are both the usa made utg pro rails 11.3oz two piece mo gunsmithing needed to install.
can someone help me out and tell me what the difference is between these 2? http://www.amazon.com/UTG-2-Piece-Metal-Quad-System/dp/B001WIUPJ0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=sporting-goods&qid=1298606441&sr=8-1 http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ARR238-7.html |
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Quoted: Check the part #s again...Quoted: no difference in the pictures these are both the usa made utg pro rails 11.3oz two piece mo gunsmithing needed to install. can someone help me out and tell me what the difference is between these 2? http://www.amazon.com/UTG-2-Piece-Metal-Quad-System/dp/B001WIUPJ0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=sporting-goods&qid=1298606441&sr=8-1 http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ARR238-7.html Only one of those is made in the US |
| fair enough. but i'd like to buy you one and i'd like you to put it through its normal paces that you would put through a $280 one and you'll be changing your mind about this rail. listen utg makes alot of china junk. but this rail it built great and tuff as nails. only thing is its on the heavy side. |
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Quoted: I know most "AR Heads" dont shop at cheaper than dirt but i just seen reviews from people that used them and used other more expensive rails and made their comparisons. I've never been the type to think that the more it cost the better it is. Fact is. There is a HUGE difference between a UTG drop in quad rail and say a Larue, Daniel Defense, or KAC freefloat quad rail. Not even on the same playing field. |
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I know most "AR Heads" dont shop at cheaper than dirt but i just seen reviews from people that used them and used other more expensive rails and made their comparisons. I've never been the type to think that the more it cost the better it is. Fact is. There is a HUGE difference between a UTG drop in quad rail and say a Larue, Daniel Defense, or KAC freefloat quad rail. Not even on the same playing field. Midwest Industries and Samson Mfg. are two companies that make drop-in, non free float, rails that work just fine. I think that the MI HG's are cheaper, but both are good choices. Additionally, both are site supporters. |
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ok dude explain. what material what.there all cnc made. Weight, shape, attachment method, 1913 spec consistency, design, heat dissipation. If you can't tell the difference between UTG and Daniel Defense, I don't know what to tell you. I can't think of anyone who would take a UTG over a Lite rail........unless price is the ultimate deciding factor. I know people who make key chains on CNC, it doesn't mean they can make a good rail system. |
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nothing wrong with some of utg's products. you have to understand if its not a big name brand Co. here its crap. its like the fashion police here. utg makes a made in the usa 6061 T6 hand rail that is a great product for the money. http://i55.tinypic.com/288w0zk.jpg You're wrong. There are alot of smaller companies that make great products. UTG rails are plain crap. They may work for a plinker but they won't hold up to abuse. Buy once, cry once. Get a midwest industries or even a samson if you want a cheaper rail. |
| what there all made from 6061 t6 or 7075 its all the same shit brother. and the rail mounts are the same spec as my higher priced rails. listen i'll argue this to the bitter end because i've owned like 10 different rails in the last 5 yrs and the utg is as good as any out there it all comes down to prefrence and applacation. only thing is that its a bit heavy. but i know the big difference PRICE AND NAME. |
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They are made to hold lights, lasers, grips and hands and they do it well...If it was an optic I could see spending more, but why for the items I listed if it works?
UTG even have additional feature the big name makers do nott have like extra threaded screws to secure it to the rifle.. |
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what there all made from 6061 t6 or 7075 its all the same shit brother. and the rail mounts are the same spec as my higher priced rails. listen i this one i'll argue to the bitter end because i've owned like 10 different rails in the last 5 yrs and the utg is as good as any out there it all comes down to prefrence and applacation. only thig is it a bit heavy. but i know the big difference PRICE AND NAME. You forgot the difference in quality. I've seen their sails with sections that were crooked, whole pieces missing, and i've seen them bend under pressure. You can argue all you want, but quality wins in the end. |
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Quoted: They are made to hold lights, lasers, grips and hands and they do it well...If it was an optic I could see spending more, but why for the items I listed if it works? UTG even have additional feature the big name makers do nott have like extra threaded screws to secure it to the rifle.. Both Larue and Daniel Defense rails have threaded screws and anti-rotation locking devices to secure them to the receiver... Both come with their own hardened steel barrel nuts optimized for their designs Both are free float and offer NO movement when properly installed Both are machined from one piece of solid aluminum Both have the side and bottom rails tucked in to an oval shape instead of a fat clunky round shape The Daniel Defense offers and uninterrupted top rail The LT offers rotation limited QD sling swivel socket built in The DD and LT are made from Aircraft Grade 6061-T6 Aluminum and Military Specification Type III Hard Coat Anodized and are unquestionably made in the USA UTG is made from Made from "Aircraft Aluminum" with "Precision CNC Machining" and "Excellent Anodizing/Engraving" and are made somewhere between China, Taiwan, and Michigan I have seen with my own eyes UTG rails be so out of spec they would not accept even their own accessories. |
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you wish you saw that like i said there all made outta 6061 or 7075 now if you said you had a ti made one then i'd bow. but you go spend your hard earned $$$ on the big name ones i'll be spending my extra $$ that i saved on the utg rail on more ammo, practice sessions, mags and becomming a better shot.
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what there all made from 6061 t6 or 7075 its all the same shit brother. and the rail mounts are the same spec as my higher priced rails. listen i this one i'll argue to the bitter end because i've owned like 10 different rails in the last 5 yrs and the utg is as good as any out there it all comes down to prefrence and applacation. only thig is it a bit heavy. but i know the big difference PRICE AND NAME. You forgot the difference in quality. I've seen their sails with sections that were crooked, whole pieces missing, and i've seen them bend under pressure. You can argue all you want, but quality wins in the end. |
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They are made to hold lights, lasers, grips and hands and they do it well...If it was an optic I could see spending more, but why for the items I listed if it works? UTG even have additional feature the big name makers do nott have like extra threaded screws to secure it to the rifle.. Both Larue and Daniel Defense rails have threaded screws and anti-rotation locking devices to secure them to the receiver... Both come with their own hardened steel barrel nuts optimized for their designs Both are free float and offer NO movement when properly installed Both are machined from one piece of solid aluminum The Daniel Defense rail offers and uninterrupted top rail The LT offers rotation limited QD sling swivel socked built in The DD and LT are made from Aircraft Grade 6061-T6 Aluminum and Military Specification Type III Hard Coat Anodized UTG is made from Made from "Aircraft Aluminum" with "Precision CNC Machining" and "Excellent Anodizing/Engraving" dude your talking about a free float rail this is not. this is the 2 piece drop in replacement one. free float is a different story i'd be spending the big $$$ on a free float. |
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ok dude explain. what material what.there all cnc made. Weight, shape, attachment method, 1913 spec consistency, design, heat dissipation. If you can't tell the difference between UTG and Daniel Defense, I don't know what to tell you. I can't think of anyone who would take a UTG over a Lite rail........unless price is the ultimate deciding factor. I know people who make key chains on CNC, it doesn't mean they can make a good rail system. HUGE +1. I've said it before and I'll say it again... I bought a UTG rail a few years back shortly after joining the site because I didn't understand why someone would pay nearly $300 for a piece of aluminum with 4 rails; While looking everywhere online I couldn't see the difference between a $60 UTG and $120 Troy either. I bought the UTG and thought it was great. It functioned just fine, held my VFG and light, locked up tightly, and didn't explode in my hands. Fast forward 6 months, I decided I wanted a 10" rail on my post-ban NJ-legal AR so I went with a Troy MRF-X and there was a definite difference between the two. The profile was nicer and finish was much better. Fast forward another 10 months, I bought an upper with a DD Omega and was shocked at the difference in quality in every aspect. I sold my post-ban upper to a friend who was still stuck in NJ and built a new one with a DD Lite which is also excellent. I will now only use top quality rails, primarily DD and JP. You couldn't pay me to put a heavy, bulky, cheap rail on my rifles anymore. If you just want something inexpensive and tacticool, get UTG. If you want a truly excellent rail go with the best, it's worth it. ETA: One inexpensive rail that I've found to be half decent is the CAA X6. It's still bulky in design but the profile isn't too bad, it mounts solidly, can be had for $60-100 new, and is not made in China. |
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what there all made from 6061 t6 or 7075 its all the same shit brother. and the rail mounts are the same spec as my higher priced rails. listen i'll argue this to the bitter end because i've owned like 10 different rails in the last 5 yrs and the utg is as good as any out there it all comes down to prefrence and applacation. only thing is that its a bit heavy. but i know the big difference PRICE AND NAME. You can argue it all you want because it's not the case. You are not the only one to own a buch of rails either. |
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whatever dude i was just trying to make a point. if wanta hold me to it GO FOR IT BROTHER.
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Im afraid I don't know anyone out there who makes a $280 drop in rail
**snip** but i'd like to buy you one and i'd like you to put it through its normal paces that you would put through a $280 one and you'll be changing your mind about this rail. **snip |
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can i ask you a ? are you one of those guys that has like 12lbs of after mkt grear attatched to you rifles? I don't know who you're addressing but my heaviest rifle isn't even 10lbs fully loaded. So, no. Part of the reason is I don't put 3lb rails on my rifles. |
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can i ask you a ? are you one of those guys that has like 12lbs of after mkt grear attatched to you rifles? I'm one of those guys who actuaIly shoots. A lot and not off a bench. I have an aimpoint ML2 in a LT150 mount. A surefire M600c. A chopped down VFG. I can put those on a scale some time but I'm pretty sure they don't add up to 12 lbs. |
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dude your talking about a free float rail this is not. this is the 2 piece drop in replacement one. free float is a different story i'd be spending the big $$$ on a free float. Quoted:
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Im afraid I don't know anyone out there who makes a $280 drop in rail whatever dude i was just trying to make a point. if wanta hold me to it GO FOR IT BROTHER. Contradictory much? 
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can i ask you a ? are you one of those guys that has like 12lbs of after mkt grear attatched to you rifles? I don't know who you're addressing but my heaviest rifle isn't even 10lbs fully loaded. So, no. Part of the reason is I don't put 3lb rails on my rifles. my rifles weigh 8.5 loaded to 9.5 loaded. a $5,000 flashlight that throws 180 lumes and weighs 7oz isn't for me and by the way the rail weights 11.3 oz made outta 6061 t6 and is made here in the good ole usa. |
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ok dude hold me to it.
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dude your talking about a free float rail this is not. this is the 2 piece drop in replacement one. free float is a different story i'd be spending the big $$$ on a free float. Quoted:
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Im afraid I don't know anyone out there who makes a $280 drop in rail whatever dude i was just trying to make a point. if wanta hold me to it GO FOR IT BROTHER. Contradictory much? |
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ok dude hold me to it.
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dude your talking about a free float rail this is not. this is the 2 piece drop in replacement one. free float is a different story i'd be spending the big $$$ on a free float. Quoted:
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Im afraid I don't know anyone out there who makes a $280 drop in rail whatever dude i was just trying to make a point. if wanta hold me to it GO FOR IT BROTHER. Contradictory much? I will  You're "just trying to make a point", but so are we. You just don't want to hear it.
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They are made to hold lights, lasers, grips and hands and they do it well...If it was an optic I could see spending more, but why for the items I listed if it works? UTG even have additional feature the big name makers do nott have like extra threaded screws to secure it to the rifle.. Both Larue and Daniel Defense rails have threaded screws and anti-rotation locking devices to secure them to the receiver... Both come with their own hardened steel barrel nuts optimized for their designs Both are free float and offer NO movement when properly installed Both are machined from one piece of solid aluminum Both have the side and bottom rails tucked in to an oval shape instead of a fat clunky round shape The Daniel Defense offers and uninterrupted top rail The LT offers rotation limited QD sling swivel socket built in The DD and LT are made from Aircraft Grade 6061-T6 Aluminum and Military Specification Type III Hard Coat Anodized and are unquestionably made in the USA UTG is made from Made from "Aircraft Aluminum" with "Precision CNC Machining" and "Excellent Anodizing/Engraving" and are made somewhere between China, Taiwan, and Michigan I have seen with my own eyes UTG rails be so out of spec they would not accept even their own accessories. Those rails also 2-4 times the cost of a $50 UTG rail, $60 for a 20" version... I have 4 sets and a USA made MI rail..All within spec and hold rail items fine..Their are a few here who got some MI rails that were not in spec so it happens, and MI would not warranty the rail.. As far what has a better grade of aluminum i dont think it matters much being the original design calls and still is plastic. If it was holding an optic I could see spending more, but for lighting and grips, I see no need.. I decided I rather have better items like a Sabre barrel, and Good BCG over high dollar hand guards/rails/light hanger. |
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oh i can show you a pic of 20k rounds. i shoot 2 days a week i live in fla weather is sunny 90% of the time. and i have 3 ranges within 3 miles of my house.
That's cool. I spend my extra money on ammo. I sold off all my ARs except one. And got rid of most of my pistols too. I'd rather actually shoot one AR and one pistol than just have a bunch of guns. That's why I don't mind paying for top shelf stuff. |
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you wish you saw that like i said there all made outta 6061 or 7075 now if you said you had a ti made one then i'd bow. but you go spend your hard earned $$$ on the big name ones i'll be spending my extra $$ that i saved on the utg rail on more ammo, practice sessions, mags and becomming a better shot.
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what there all made from 6061 t6 or 7075 its all the same shit brother. and the rail mounts are the same spec as my higher priced rails. listen i this one i'll argue to the bitter end because i've owned like 10 different rails in the last 5 yrs and the utg is as good as any out there it all comes down to prefrence and applacation. only thig is it a bit heavy. but i know the big difference PRICE AND NAME. You forgot the difference in quality. I've seen their sails with sections that were crooked, whole pieces missing, and i've seen them bend under pressure. You can argue all you want, but quality wins in the end. i'll spend my money on quality stuff that won't break and ammo to train with. Just because i don't agree with you, doesn't mean i haven't seen them break or have quality issues with my own eyes. |
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now why do you need to get personal about my stuff. did you not see the pic. theres S&W sig sauer FN and Stag in that pic if you can call that junk i'd like to see your 12lb franken ar. i'll be laughing None of my stuff is even close to that heavy. I'll post pics next week when i actually have a day off. Gotta work hard for the quality stuff. |
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make your point this is what i spend my extra $$ on and this is only the half of it. 
http://i51.tinypic.com/23wvbqo.jpg Nice guns. I don't see your point in posting them, though. Is it that you have plenty of money but choose not to buy top quality AR parts? |
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next week hahaha. its the show me year not the tell me year. work is noble good to hear. i don't need it though i made the right moves some yrs back that keeps me at the range more then behind my desk. heavy i don't know its about 150lbs of hardwear sitting there.Quoted:
now why do you need to get personal about my stuff. did you not see the pic. theres S&W sig sauer FN and Stag in that pic if you can call that junk i'd like to see your 12lb franken ar. i'll be laughing None of my stuff is even close to that heavy. I'll post pics next week when i actually have a day off. Gotta work hard for the quality stuff. 
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what do you mean i have 10k thru that stag there without one problem.
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make your point this is what i spend my extra $$ on and this is only the half of it.
http://i51.tinypic.com/23wvbqo.jpg Nice guns. I don't see your point in posting them, though. Is it that you have plenty of money but choose not to buy top quality AR parts? |
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