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Posted: 1/24/2011 12:56:58 PM EDT
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Has anyone heard or used http://www.model1sales.com/ equipment? If so do they have quality parts? Need input?
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I bought an upper from them years ago. I still have it and it runs excellent. They have been known to use ER Shaw or Wilson bbls. Both are good. People have always said to avoid using their bolts and carriers. I chose to put a Dennys Super Duty in mine. You mihgt check before your order because I believe they were back ordered on a lot of stuff lately.
they do not use top quality parts but for they price they are good. I would say they are on the same level as DPMS or Bushmaster. My upper runs and looks as good as any thing else in the price range. The one problem is I got an A3 upper and it didnt come with an F marked front sight. I have never taken measurments to see if it is actually made to the same spec as the F marked ones tho...I use optics anyways. Now keep in mind I ordered my upper about 5 years ago. That may have changed since then. My expirerence was very good and smooth. Called and talked to a nice lady and checked on prices and shipping options then placed my order on line. |
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I would agree. Back in 2005 there were not as many options for low end ARs that were still considered good enough to use. If I were going to order today...I would look at Del-Ton. They are and industry partner here and that 99% of the time means that they will take care of you no matter what.
Stick with buying from the companys here on AR15.com and everything will be fine. These companys have a reputation for taking care of us. |
| I picked up one of their aluminum rifle length free float tubes and it went on like a dream using their 3-piece vice block kit. Inexpensive and higher quality than I expected... not sure about a full upper since I simply haven't seen their rigs up close but I think their accessories and tools represent a very compelling value. |
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I've used some M1S parts without issues. I think Delton is a better deal for the money. I don't know if M1S is back ordered right now, but for a long time they were keeping inventory to sell at the gun shows and not fulfilling alot of online orders for months. This pissed alot of people off.
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| Model 1 is still selling 6.8 SPC with the wrong chamber (SPC1) and the wrong twist (1 in 9.5). You can't shoot the hotter loads with it. I heard that the barrels are ER Shaw. The informed 6.8 fans stay very far away from Model 1 Sales, at least until they get SPC 2 & 1 in 11. |
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I have had some of their uppers, they are OK. They area always at the guns shows arounf DFW. I remember back during the panic buying, that had a massive backorder but they where sellling at the show. That made a lot of folks mad.
I can tell u they are very rude , in person and on the phone. I stopped dealing with them and started using Delton. They are very pleasant. |
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google key words 'model 1 credit card fraud' and then decide if you want to give this vendor your business! Three times. Three times before I figured it out. Buy something from model one, one week later receive bogus I tunes charge, two days later get a bogus 80 dollar or so charge. Thank god my bank was so helpful about it, the third time they had someone look over my account and pointed it out. I shop at delton now. |
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Thanks for all the replies, as you can probably tell from my post count I am just getting into the ar15's. I am looking to purchase possibly build my first ar, however I am trying to keep the cost as low as possible. From what I have read so far M1 sales will be marked off of my list.
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google key words 'model 1 credit card fraud' and then decide if you want to give this vendor your business! Three times. Three times before I figured it out. Buy something from model one, one week later receive bogus I tunes charge, two days later get a bogus 80 dollar or so charge. Thank god my bank was so helpful about it, the third time they had someone look over my account and pointed it out. I shop at delton now. another victim over here!! i ordered from them a couple of weeks later 2 music charges and 2 online gaming charges for a total of almost $200!! 
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I can tell u they are very rude , in person and on the phone. I stopped dealing with them and started using Delton. They are very pleasant. I ordered 2 small items from M1S yesterday and the woman taking my order over the phone was a bitch. It's like I was inconviencing her or something. She didn't even give me a total after she got my CC number. Here's hoping for not getting screwed on shipping. And Del-Ton is very polite in communication. Too bad I am 0-2 when ordering from them because the item wasn't in stock. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Has anyone heard or used http://www.model1sales.com/ equipment? If so do they have quality parts? Need input? Thanks I have a M1S LPK from a pistol kit I keep for reference (springs mostly) and some of the parts like the disco and trigger are dimensionally smaller than factory Bushmaster and RRA parts. Other parts are not finished and have rough cuts from machining. I had no problems out of the pistol upper aside from a few double feeds using weak .223 before a proper breaking in. The bolt carrier was okay. Not a bad value 5 years ago. Now there are too many better options for not much more money. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Quoted: Quoted: I can tell u they are very rude , in person and on the phone. I stopped dealing with them and started using Delton. They are very pleasant. I ordered 2 small items from M1S yesterday and the woman taking my order over the phone was a bitch. It's like I was inconviencing her or something. She didn't even give me a total after she got my CC number. Here's hoping for not getting screwed on shipping. And Del-Ton is very polite in communication. Too bad I am 0-2 when ordering from them because the item wasn't in stock. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Agreed. They are very rude in person. Several years ago, I talked to them at a DFW gun show; I wonder if they would have been nicer if they knew I had $1,200 in my pocket from a Remington LTR and Leupold I sold at that same show? I guess both them and I will never know. I purchased online from J&T instead and was so pleased with their service I ordered again from them the next time I was in the market for a kit. YMMV |
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I have a M1S upper that I use as a dedicated .22 & keep the BCG a back-up. I don't ask much of it, but it hasn't ever had a problem.
Like many others have said I would go another direction for a budget rifle, Del-ton & Doublestar in particular seems to have a reputation for excellent value. |
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Quoted: My 16" varmint in my avatar is a model one, bought in 2003, runs excellent and shoots dead on. No troubles here. Is that the one in the avatar picture?I like the paint job.  I've only seen a few model ones and they did not run well, but these were both probably 5 years ago. Like I said there do seem to be less complaints about their function than I used to see years ago
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If I were building an all around AR today or suggesting something to a beginner I'd probably go with:
Spikes lower from AIM: http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=F1STSL&name=Spike%27s+Tactical+AR15+Lower+Receiver&groupid=53 (Spikes lower - FFL transfer required) $80 Add the AIM midlength 16" Spikes combo with chromed bolt carrier & their heavy buffer.. when they get them back in stock: http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=XSTU5035MOE&name=Spikes+Tactical+Mid-Length+5.56%2f.223+Upper&groupid=55 - no FFL, out of stock.. for now.. $500 ... and finish it off with a Palmetto Armory MOE lower build kit (Magpul MOE stock & grip, lower parts kit, mil spec buffer assembly). http://palmettostatearmory.com/598.php .. $140 ... you're talking $720 plus some freight for a complete Spikes 16" midlength AR setup with quality furniture and the experience of assembling yourself without needing the more specialized tools... probably the same price or cheaper from a far more reputable manufacturer than Model 1 with better longer term resale prospects (God forbid). You'll need some form of BUIS (back up iron sight) or optics plus mags & ammo of course but I assume that would be the case with any rifle you buy/build. |
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At election time, fall 2008, I ordered two complete kits which came in the spring, income tax time. One was a 20" HB SS 1:8" A2 rifle kit. The other was a classic CAR-15 with a medium weight barrel. Both were built on DPMS stripped lowers.
The springs that push the detents on the retainers for the takedown pins were all four too long and you could not physically push them deep enough to start the pins. Clipping two coils off each allowed assembly. Other than that, there was nothing wrong with any of the parts. The 20" HB SS Shaw A2 rifle shoots very close accuracy wise to a Rock River NM factory rifle. The CAR-15 with its medium weight blue Shaw barrel is the one I let any and everyone burn ammo through for learning and familiarization. Neither are chromed. I did extend the feed ramps from the extensions into the DPMS lowers with a chain saw file and Dremel polish. The standard rear apperatures were replaced with XS Sight Systems No Offset aperatures so elevation does not change when going from the larger to the smaller apperature. The hammer springs were replaced with Tubb 90% hammer springs which when combined with standard trigger return springs give a very smooth 6.5# pull after polish only of the two trigger/hammer surfaces. The rear elevation drums were reset to allow indexing at 100 and 200 yards under 8/3 or 6/3 on the rotor. Otherwise stock. Neither has ever malfunctioned simply going bang all the time with anything from reloads to Fiocchi .233 FMJ to M855. I clean them after each use and oil them with Otis M16 oil. Works fine. I have no info regarding music charges because my credit card got charged only what the kits cost after I called in my orders. With a few thousand rounds through each, I have no complaints. I do not consider either Cadillac rifles but as a practical matter they look just like all the rest, shoot just like all the rest, function just like all the rest, and I have no clue how paying more and getting a different roll stamp on the barrel upper would change anything. The funny thing is, is that since I know they were cheap, they are the ones I pick up and throw into the car trunk (in a case) when I travel, when I go plinking, or just shooting with friends. If stolen, broken, lost, or run over by Alvin Kida falling out of the sky, I won't be out much. Since they both work 100%, one of the two, along with 300 rounds of ammo seems a good traveling companion. Somehow the fancier stuff doesn't get used as much. |
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If I were building an all around AR today or suggesting something to a beginner I'd probably go with: Spikes lower from AIM: http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=F1STSL&name=Spike%27s+Tactical+AR15+Lower+Receiver&groupid=53 (Spikes lower - FFL transfer required) $80 Add the AIM midlength 16" Spikes combo with chromed bolt carrier & their heavy buffer.. when they get them back in stock: http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=XSTU5035MOE&name=Spikes+Tactical+Mid-Length+5.56%2f.223+Upper&groupid=55 - no FFL, out of stock.. for now.. $500 ... and finish it off with a Palmetto Armory MOE lower build kit (Magpul MOE stock & grip, lower parts kit, mil spec buffer assembly). http://palmettostatearmory.com/598.php .. $140 ... you're talking $720 plus some freight for a complete Spikes 16" midlength AR setup with quality furniture and the experience of assembling yourself without needing the more specialized tools... probably the same price or cheaper from a far more reputable manufacturer than Model 1 with better longer term resale prospects (God forbid). You'll need some form of BUIS (back up iron sight) or optics plus mags & ammo of course but I assume that would be the case with any rifle you buy/build. Thanks everyone for your input I think i will stay away from Model 1, not much of a risk taker I would rather spend an extra hundred or two to avoid the hassle. Yuppiejr I have looked at your suggestion above and like what I have seen so far. If I were to buy these three kits once in stock does this come with everything I need to shoot the rifle other than optics, mag and ammo? |
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Yeah....prior M1S buyer here....own 2 kits I built out a few years ago.
M1S: Nice quality to price point, no issues present, etc. That said, when I was ready for another kit, I did my research here and backed off due to the credit card concerns many vocalized and went with Del-ton. Once again, AR15.com saved the day from a tactical boo boo 
Del-ton: 1. Called them and they were very professional, informative, etc. Gave accurate response on my questions about being in stock, etc 2. I have ordered 1 kit and had another parts order. Both were prompt, etc. 3. So far, no issues with my Del-ton build...shot it again last weekend.........not one FTE/FTF, etc. 4. I would order again and have recommended them to friends looking to get into the AR game. OP, I am assuming you are wanting a budget minded build. DT is hard to beat and as many said, they are a partner on the site. If you are looking for something to carry at the professional level, you may want to save and upgrade to another brand. |
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My 16" varmint in my avatar is a model one, bought in 2003, runs excellent and shoots dead on. No troubles here. Is that the one in the avatar picture?I like the paint job. I've only seen a few model ones and they did not run well, but these were both probably 5 years ago. Like I said there do seem to be less complaints about their function than I used to see years ago Yea, that's it, I like the predator line of camo and attempted a self made job for my coyote rifle - Thanks for the compliment!! I may have got lucky, but mine runs perfectly and is the most accurate AR I own out of five. An example, I can dial this thing in for any ammo, we used some chain to "tie" a split tree together at our hunting camp, time came to release it and I dialed in and shot the single chain link apart about 25 foot up, 50 yds away, both sides of the tree fell safely, it was a big tree and and we were able to stay a safe distance away. |
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