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Posted: 1/21/2011 4:10:35 AM EDT
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Go to the new products forum in ar15 and look at the battle arms thread about their new selector. Pretty nice if you ask me! But it all comes down to personal taste.
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Posted: 1/21/2011 4:20:28 AM EDT
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Get a COLT!
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Posted: 1/21/2011 4:47:19 AM EDT
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Find Henderson Defense BADASS in the new products section. They have a number of options for lever shape, length, etc. A guy named Duffy can answer any of your questions.
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Posted: 1/21/2011 5:03:24 AM EDT
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BADASS
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Posted: 1/21/2011 5:58:42 AM EDT
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BADASS [/thread] Wish I could add more...I can BAD-ASS-ST! 
Duffy is the man for BAD ASS...answer any question...help selecting the lever style you want...exchange the lever you have for the lever you want. I installed my BAD ASS ST over 3 weeks ago & all I have time for is dry firing at the TV.  Snow & work are cramping my shooting time specially w/ a new indoor range 10mins from home.
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Posted: 1/21/2011 6:27:24 AM EDT
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Personally I am a fan of the Rock River Arms raised star safety selector.
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Posted: 1/21/2011 6:34:38 AM EDT
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BADASS [/thread] Wish I could add more...I can BAD-ASS-ST!
Duffy is the man for BAD ASS...answer any question...help selecting the lever style you want...exchange the lever you have for the lever you want. I installed my BAD ASS ST over 3 weeks ago & all I have time for is dry firing at the TV. Snow & work are cramping my shooting time specially w/ a new indoor range 10mins from home.
7mm Another Vote (actually 3 votes) for BAD-ASS-ST(45 degree).... once you go BAD-ASS-ST...you can't go back :-) I am starting my 3rd build with them and wouldn't have any thing else! 
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Posted: 1/21/2011 12:20:46 PM EDT
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Personally I am a fan of the Rock River Arms raised star safety selector. Me too - but I'd still like to try one of the BAD-ASSes. |
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Posted: 1/21/2011 2:10:56 PM EDT
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I installed a BAD-ASS 3 weeks ago and think I'm really going to like it. Unfortunately I haven't had the time to take it out either.
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Posted: 1/21/2011 5:18:11 PM EDT
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Wow, lot of choices. I just want the one that will allow me to easily switch between fire and safe while keeping my grip and trigger finger in place, if that makes sense.
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Posted: 1/21/2011 5:33:11 PM EDT
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If that's all you want a stock selector will work. If you want an upgrade I would recommend the badass hands down.
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Posted: 1/21/2011 11:28:46 PM EDT
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Wow, lot of choices. I just want the one that will allow me to easily switch between fire and safe while keeping my grip and trigger finger in place, if that makes sense. If this is what you want, you want the BAD ASS ST 45 degree selector with two short levers. |
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Posted: 1/22/2011 5:53:45 AM EDT
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OK, from what I've read, thanks to Duffy, and others...
I should to with the ambi switch, can't use the 45 because my lower is not able to take it. Now I just have to decide on the selector shape/size, etc. Is there a video anywhere about installing the ambi switches? I've found several good ones on putting in single selectors. Same process? It looks fairly easy (famous last words). |
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Posted: 1/22/2011 7:27:27 AM EDT
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OK, from what I've read, thanks to Duffy, and others... I should to with the ambi switch, can't use the 45 because my lower is not able to take it. Now I just have to decide on the selector shape/size, etc. Is there a video anywhere about installing the ambi switches? I've found several good ones on putting in single selectors. Same process? It looks fairly easy (famous last words). FYI, the 45 version has a small stainless pin (that is soft) and should you chose to it is very easy to file down in seconds...then it will fit in ANY receiver. :-) |
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Posted: 1/22/2011 7:30:21 AM EDT
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Thank you gents for your endorsement!
It is pretty easy, almost the same process. Remove the right side lever on the ambi selector, install the selector with the left side attached as you would any single sided selector, then screw in the right side lever. The 90 degree selector does not allow a user to safe the weapon without shifting grips (unless you have an ambi selector, in which case you can use your trigger finger to manipulate the weak side lever to Safe), it's a design flaw. The 45 degree selector will, it's but a matter of flicking the tip of your thumb 
Re: 45 degree selector and conventional receivers, while we (Battle Arms Dev.) do not suggest or recommend modification to the short throw selector in order for it to work, we know folks do it. On some receivers the short throw selector's pointer is pretty close to the 12 o'clock FIRE engraving. The only thing making the 45 degree selector incompatible is the machine pressed stainless steel pin on the left of the selector axis. I would suggest the most popular levers (standard, short, thin) to start with, most users find they don't need anything else. For those that use the weak side very little and want a lever that's almost not there, there's the short-thin. The short-thin lever is the most unobtrusive lever, but gives up purchase on the lever. The hybrid lever is like a thin lever but with additional material on top, it's really a weak side lever for use on the left side of the receiver for left hand shooters
Please feel free to call any time, we love to chat about our selectors 
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Posted: 1/22/2011 7:49:06 AM EDT
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Thanks Duffy, sorry, but one more question. I gathered from what read here that the 45 degree option will *not* work with any lower receivers other than those made to accept it. So, for instance, my DDM4 lower won't work with it. Was I incorrect?
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Posted: 1/22/2011 7:56:01 AM EDT
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Thanks Duffy, sorry, but one more question. I gathered from what read here that the 45 degree option will *not* work with any lower receivers other than those made to accept it. So, for instance, my DDM4 lower won't work with it. Was I incorrect? If you look at the pic I posted above, those are both DD lowers with 45s in them (so is my 3rd one)....I think my last order had a Twinkie included...with a small file baked inside. :-) |
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Posted: 1/22/2011 8:48:47 AM EDT
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In my talks with Duffy online before purchasing a BADASS-ST lever, I told him I would not talk about what was required to modify one to work in a normal lower. It is easy to do, and that's all I'm going to say about that.
The reasoning for making them not just a drop in part for a normal lower is that the fire marking will no longer line up with the lever, so it imparts some liability if someone were to have an accident down the line. To counter this, I clearly marked my lower to aleviate any confusion as to just where the lever is pointing. Gots to be careful in this modern sue happy world we live in tthese days. 
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Posted: 1/22/2011 9:03:06 AM EDT
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We made the 45 degree selector incompatible (by pressing a stainless steel pin in it) because receivers made for 90 degree selectors have Fire markings at 12 o'clock, and the 45 degree selector is pointing close to it, but not quite enough.
The only difference (other than it's a 45 degree throw, vs. the normal 90 degree throw) between the 45 degree as it's currently produced and the conventional selector is the pin. The removal of the pin makes it into a drop-in replacement again, or one would need to modify his receiver to allow the pin to go through. Folks have posted reviews and blogs on the 45 degree selector here's the op4guy's blog We didn't know Bryan was going to post a tutorial on how to remove the pin, along with his review lol. While we don't endorse or recommend the modification of the short throw selector, once a customer buys it, it's no longer our property to impose rules on. We still maintain that it should be used with a properly marked receiver for liability (the owner's liability) issues
kwrangln, I showed your picture to our attorneys, they had a good laugh
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Posted: 1/22/2011 9:14:05 AM EDT
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Thanks Duffy, sorry, but one more question. I gathered from what read here that the 45 degree option will *not* work with any lower receivers other than those made to accept it. So, for instance, my DDM4 lower won't work with it. Was I incorrect? If you look at the pic I posted above, those are both DD lowers with 45s in them (so is my 3rd one)....I think my last order had a Twinkie included...with a small file baked inside. :-) 
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Posted: 1/22/2011 9:44:11 AM EDT
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I'd like to install a larger safety selector switch on my M4. Which one would you guys recommend? Links please. Thanks. Check out the review from Army Times. http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/2010/12/19/battle-arms-development-ambidextrous-safety-selector-b-a-d-a-s-s/#more-7519 
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Posted: 1/22/2011 10:12:11 AM EDT
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Thank you stick
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Posted: 1/22/2011 10:25:28 AM EDT
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kwrangln,
You should market and sell those "labels".... I need 3 please :-) |
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Posted: 1/22/2011 11:31:31 AM EDT
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Lol seems 45 degree selector buyers are all comedians
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Posted: 1/22/2011 11:38:05 AM EDT
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Quoted: Personally I am a fan of the Rock River Arms raised star safety selector. http://www.rockriverarms.com/images/products/sftys8.gif I got a DPMS lower parts kit that came with an AR10 saftey which was of course not going to work. I got the correct saftey from Brownells, the STAR as shown above. Best and most positive feel of them all. Cost was like $9. |
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Posted: 1/22/2011 11:54:43 AM EDT
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When you say "best feel of them all" have you tried the B.A.D.A.S.S. selectors?
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Posted: 1/22/2011 12:05:51 PM EDT
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I got a DPMS lower parts kit that came with an AR10 saftey which was of course not going to work. I got the correct saftey from Brownells, the STAR as shown above. Best and most positive feel of them all. Cost was like $9. DPMS makes a safety selector for the AR-10? Huh? Since when? The LR-308 and the AR safety selector are one in the same. If it works for the LR-308, it works for the AR-15. Or did you get confused by it being part number LR-08? That does not mean it was for the LR-308, but part #8 for the Lower Receiver. Please say this was a simple mistake on your part and not an attempt to bash DPMS for something they do not even make. I have built up 4 LR-308s and know first hand that the LR-308 uses the same lower parts at the AR-15 except for the pivot pin, take down pin, and bolt catch screw. Any safety for the AR-15 works in the DPMS LR-308. |
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Posted: 1/22/2011 12:40:26 PM EDT
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SR25, SR25 compatible receivers, AR10, AR10 compatible receivers, AR15 style receivers that use standard fire control group components are compatible with our selectors, same can be said of other selectors.
David Bahde's DPMS .308 rifle, Cerakoted by Ernie Bray of Red Creek Tactical, who is coating our selectors in OD, FDE and gun metal gray: 
My AR10, with an early prototype, bead blasted short lever 
Plenty of AR15s with our selectors, no need to show them here again
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Posted: 1/22/2011 4:53:11 PM EDT
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I'm going to recommend two for different reasons. The BAD ASS one is really nice, well made, great concept with the flexibility and their customer service is top notch. Having said that, I have wrist/hand problems where it didn't work well for me with what I was able to do. I happen to like and use the Star selector by RRA, in my Colt no less - the horror. The big "boob" on it makes it easy for me to work the selector even with my ergo problems. Now, if B.A.D. happens to come out with a selector that happens to look and feel like the RRA star one, I might accidentally buy that.
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Posted: 1/22/2011 6:08:33 PM EDT
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The FAL styple lever idea was brought up to us before, in some cases it works well, but we didn't see the benefits. There must be reasons this lever shape (skinny levers that terminates in a knob) never caught on. I've seen it on metric FALs and RRAs, but do not recall seeing it on other platforms. Most selectors on modern platforms are not thus shaped, again for good reasons.
We're looking into making the standard and short levers thicker, either 1.5x or 2x thicker. These tall profile levers, if we proceed with production, will be optional, and not replace the current standard and short levers which have roughly the same profile as the USGI lever
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Posted: 1/22/2011 6:12:38 PM EDT
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Hey! My buddy got one of those Battle selectors on one of his guns. He's an armorer for contract security companies overseas. We go shooting when he's home and he showed it to me a while back, but I didn't get to mess with it too much.
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Posted: 1/22/2011 6:25:32 PM EDT
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Does your buddy like it?
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Posted: 1/22/2011 6:33:29 PM EDT
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I have 4 of the BADASSes, good kit.
My prefered levers are the short and stubby strong side and short an thin weakside. |
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Posted: 1/22/2011 6:41:39 PM EDT
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Why do you think they made the safety a 90 degree throw? It is awkward.
And if 45 degrees is so much better why haven't they moved to 45? |
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Posted: 1/22/2011 6:56:56 PM EDT
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Decades of the weapon system in service, and many of us have been trained on it. Though awkward, training and muscle memory can overcome some limitations, these two issues also stand in the way of adopting and using something that's better because it's a little different.
In terms of manual of arms, the short throw doesn't change it drastically. Lever parallel to the bore is still safe, flip up the lever is still fire, just half the throw. Short throw selectors have been around for decades as well. FN, HK and SIG small arms systems have used them for almost as long as the AR's 90 degree throw. We think that the short throw selector will become much more popular when compatible receivers are more widely available. So far, AXTS has announced its forged and billet receivers that can use both the 45 and 90 degree selector, with other manufacturers such as Spikes Tactical, AR15.com and others to follow. We also think that the 3 gun shooters will bring about the quickening of pace of 45 degree selector adoption. Precious time can be saved because of the weapon can be set to fire quickly, and set back to safe quickly as well, without shifting grips. For those without an actual 45 degree selector, this can be easily demonstrated by manipulating their selector half way between Safe and Fire, set it to 45 degrees, and see how fast it can be put back on Safe again 
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Posted: 1/23/2011 1:25:03 AM EDT
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The FAL styple lever idea was brought up to us before, in some cases it works well, but we didn't see the benefits. There must be reasons this lever shape (skinny levers that terminates in a knob) never caught on. I've seen it on metric FALs and RRAs, but do not recall seeing it on other platforms. Most selectors on modern platforms are not thus shaped, again for good reasons. We're looking into making the standard and short levers thicker, either 1.5x or 2x thicker. These tall profile levers, if we proceed with production, will be optional, and not replace the current standard and short levers which have roughly the same profile as the USGI lever I prefer the near-hemispherical shape and texturing of the RRA Star because it rolls under your thumb and works with less than perfect thumb engagement. If you offered a similar design I'd be all over your selector. |
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Posted: 1/23/2011 9:10:23 AM EDT
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Does your buddy like it? I can't remember which gun he had it on. But he did seem pleased with it. |
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