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Posted: 9/13/2018 4:11:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: vanquishings]
[#1]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tc3iOVO_Vqc
So this guy has a "real deal" Mk12, but doesn't have an AEM5 and has to get allen to send them one for the video.....  ETA: page ownage. 
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Posted: 9/13/2018 4:52:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: drago6]
[#2]
BA barrel and Badger gas block...not a match made in heaven
Unless there’s a magic secret, guess it’s time for a new barrel or GB. I put a generic .750 GB on and it went on like butter, but the Badger and PRI FSB barely made it past the step up. Tried it on the BA 16" Mod-H barrel and same result as well  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/13/2018 5:44:40 PM EDT
[#3]
Drill a 3/4" hole in a 2x4, oil the barrel, and beat it on.
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WA, USA
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Posted: 9/13/2018 6:01:50 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TinyCrumb:
Yeah, had both and ran both on my Mk 12 Mod 1 and Holland. The PVS-30 is a wonderful clip on, but it's a really poor choice for a Mk 12 IMO. It's absurdly heavy, I mean an absolute beast. It's really long. The mount is old and kinda crap (relies on shims and can be really finicky moving between multiple rifles without manual adjustment). The focus ring is really far out there and hard to manipulate, especially from a firing position. Because of it's length, you can not run the front BUIS on the Mod 1. I had both compact scopes on the Mod 1 and Holland so I can't say for sure, but I'm pretty sure if you're running the 3.5-10 the 30 might not even fit, or if it does it'll be on the very last rail section and having off the end of the gun quite a bit. The PVS-30 really shines when you're shooting 500-1000yds — which is not what most people do with their Mk 12s at night IME. If you're primarily going to be shooting at that distance, and probably using a rifle/caliber more tuned for that distance, there's no better deal out there right now than one of the refurb units. The PVS-22 on the other hand is a tiny little unit, super light (feels less than 1/2 or 1/3 of the 30), really compact and is a phenomenal clip-on for shots out to 500yds with the right glass. The focus knob is much easier to reach and easier to manipulate (doesn't require as much leverage and easy to do with one finger). It fits on any Mk 12 and most AR15 builds. Most Mk 12 clones are using old, clone glass, so in that case somewhere around 400 or 450yd is more reasonable. But if you've got some really nice, modern glass behind it it'd probably be just fine for out to 600 or so. For me, when I go shoot at night, 80% of stuff ends up being a combo of sentinels + laser or passive through an EOTech. Then for that last 20% it's really fun to have a clip on for longer stuff, both target shooting at and hunting. And I just don't really ever go out and shoot at night past 500yds. It's fun to have the capability to do so, but just never ended up happening. I sold the 30 and kept the 22. If you have something like a Mk 13 or a M110, the 30 is really really nice. But for a Mk 12, really not a fan compared to other options. They're not as readily available but if you look around you can definitely find a good 22 for around the same price as the refurb 30s. https://i.imgur.com/4hCVrLS.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Vru6nXK.jpg https://i.imgur.com/C0F3PbS.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TinyCrumb:
Originally Posted By sbye:
Originally Posted By tamboi:
Guys, I was wondering if anyone in the group had run a pvs-30 on their MK12 mod 0. Edit: tinycrumb might have the PVS-22... I don't recall. The PVS-30 is a wonderful clip on, but it's a really poor choice for a Mk 12 IMO. It's absurdly heavy, I mean an absolute beast. It's really long. The mount is old and kinda crap (relies on shims and can be really finicky moving between multiple rifles without manual adjustment). The focus ring is really far out there and hard to manipulate, especially from a firing position. Because of it's length, you can not run the front BUIS on the Mod 1. I had both compact scopes on the Mod 1 and Holland so I can't say for sure, but I'm pretty sure if you're running the 3.5-10 the 30 might not even fit, or if it does it'll be on the very last rail section and having off the end of the gun quite a bit. The PVS-30 really shines when you're shooting 500-1000yds — which is not what most people do with their Mk 12s at night IME. If you're primarily going to be shooting at that distance, and probably using a rifle/caliber more tuned for that distance, there's no better deal out there right now than one of the refurb units. The PVS-22 on the other hand is a tiny little unit, super light (feels less than 1/2 or 1/3 of the 30), really compact and is a phenomenal clip-on for shots out to 500yds with the right glass. The focus knob is much easier to reach and easier to manipulate (doesn't require as much leverage and easy to do with one finger). It fits on any Mk 12 and most AR15 builds. Most Mk 12 clones are using old, clone glass, so in that case somewhere around 400 or 450yd is more reasonable. But if you've got some really nice, modern glass behind it it'd probably be just fine for out to 600 or so. For me, when I go shoot at night, 80% of stuff ends up being a combo of sentinels + laser or passive through an EOTech. Then for that last 20% it's really fun to have a clip on for longer stuff, both target shooting at and hunting. And I just don't really ever go out and shoot at night past 500yds. It's fun to have the capability to do so, but just never ended up happening. I sold the 30 and kept the 22. If you have something like a Mk 13 or a M110, the 30 is really really nice. But for a Mk 12, really not a fan compared to other options. They're not as readily available but if you look around you can definitely find a good 22 for around the same price as the refurb 30s. https://i.imgur.com/4hCVrLS.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Vru6nXK.jpg https://i.imgur.com/C0F3PbS.jpg |
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Posted: 9/13/2018 6:19:16 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SDMF_Rebel:
Drill a 3/4" hole in a 2x4, oil the barrel, and beat it on. |
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Posted: 9/13/2018 6:32:58 PM EDT
[#6]
I would think the tighter the better on the other side. Worst case heat the gas block up a bit to get it on.
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Posted: 9/13/2018 6:37:21 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By drago6:
that certainly is an option haha. has anyone tried the DD or KAC gasblock and found better fitment? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By drago6:
Originally Posted By SDMF_Rebel:
Drill a 3/4" hole in a 2x4, oil the barrel, and beat it on. |
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Posted: 9/14/2018 1:10:39 AM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By drago6:
BA barrel and Badger gas block...not a match made in heaven
Unless there’s a magic secret, guess it’s time for a new barrel or GB. I put a generic .750 GB on and it went on like butter, but the Badger and PRI FSB barely made it past the step up. Tried it on the BA 16" Mod-H barrel and same result as well https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/449093/833CF721-E189-4A2E-8D73-B06F8AC001CE-670523.JPG |
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Posted: 9/14/2018 2:34:00 AM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SDMF_Rebel:
Drill a 3/4" hole in a 2x4, oil the barrel, and beat it on. JK 
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Posted: 9/14/2018 10:37:02 AM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WTFShane:
Instructions not clear enough. Dick got caught in ceiling fan. JK
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1857/30799758328_f51b3a5155_c.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WTFShane:
Originally Posted By SDMF_Rebel:
Drill a 3/4" hole in a 2x4, oil the barrel, and beat it on. JK
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1857/30799758328_f51b3a5155_c.jpg  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/14/2018 5:04:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: lancecriminal86]
[#11]
Got a little surplus store score. Older Otis cleaning kit with the blackened hardware for my SPR Pelican case.
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Posted: 9/14/2018 5:59:02 PM EDT
[#12]
Not a MK12 but shares something very interesting with one..
 AK-Niner Mk1 - "Spetsnaz Concept" Kalashnikov (Saiga 223, AK102) |
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Posted: 9/14/2018 8:15:17 PM EDT
[#13]
Did a little MK12 Micro
Turned out kinda sweet Used a kac mid length rail DPMS gas block turned for the collar BA mid length has barrel 13.6”  Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 9/14/2018 8:19:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: HARMS4X]
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kells81:
Not a MK12 but shares something very interesting with one..  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XYtBvQjcCc Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 9/14/2018 9:20:19 PM EDT
[#15]
Got around to taking my Mod 1 to an indoor range to sight in the irons plus my 14.5” today with a buddy of mine. I thought my 14.5” middy was a tame shooter. But holy fucking balls that Mod 1 is smooth. New favorite rifle. If it wasn’t so long and ungainly, I’d slap my Aimpoint on it and keep it next to the bed. Can’t wait to get some good weather and sight in the scope and stretch it legs. Also, cut the phone in my Seahorse case for my Mod 1.
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MD, USA
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Posted: 9/15/2018 3:38:38 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By drago6:
BA barrel and Badger gas block...not a match made in heaven
Unless there’s a magic secret, guess it’s time for a new barrel or GB. I put a generic .750 GB on and it went on like butter, but the Badger and PRI FSB barely made it past the step up. Tried it on the BA 16" Mod-H barrel and same result as well https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/449093/833CF721-E189-4A2E-8D73-B06F8AC001CE-670523.JPG 
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Posted: 9/16/2018 1:58:35 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmedFerret: Freeze the barrel, heat the gas block (in oven or with heat gun; low-temp torch will also work but just keep the temp LOW). Old AK building trick from 15 years ago. |
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Posted: 9/16/2018 2:31:13 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArpaioFan: I sent mine back to BA. It was oversized in a couple of places at the journals. My gas block is the NSN Daniel Defense model. I tried everything. Freezing the barrel and MAPP gas torch on the block. Would not fit. That's when I measured the barrel with a micrometer. |
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Posted: 9/16/2018 2:35:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Deadsquiggles]
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArpaioFan: I sent mine back to BA. It was oversized in a couple of places at the journals. My gas block is the NSN Daniel Defense model. I tried everything. Freezing the barrel and MAPP gas torch on the block. Would not fit. That's when I measured the barrel with a micrometer. Also, I know I asked this before but I can’t find It, was there a specific weapon light used on the Mod 1 along with the Peq-2(?). I’d really love to add a light for no reason other than to have one lol |
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Posted: 9/16/2018 3:36:59 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Deadsquiggles:
Not surprised to hear BA is taking care of you. I used the Badger Ordanance Gas block on my Mod 1 and it was a tight fit but no heating and cooling was required. It was like a match made in heaven. Also, I know I asked this before but I can’t find It, was there a specific weapon light used on the Mod 1 along with the Peq-2(?). I’d really love to add a light for no reason other than to have one lol Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Deadsquiggles:
Originally Posted By ArpaioFan: I sent mine back to BA. It was oversized in a couple of places at the journals. My gas block is the NSN Daniel Defense model. I tried everything. Freezing the barrel and MAPP gas torch on the block. Would not fit. That's when I measured the barrel with a micrometer. Also, I know I asked this before but I can’t find It, was there a specific weapon light used on the Mod 1 along with the Peq-2(?). I’d really love to add a light for no reason other than to have one lol So some sort of Surefire, earlier on likely a 951 or 961 type deal, maybe 962? |
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Posted: 9/16/2018 6:13:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: mrsaturn7085]
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmedFerret:
Freeze the barrel, heat the gas block (in oven or with heat gun; low-temp torch will also work but just keep the temp LOW). Old AK building trick from 15 years ago. Heating and cooling press-fit metal components isn't exactly just an AK building trick. |
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Posted: 9/16/2018 8:57:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Davey_Sickboy]
[#22]
Beautiful day to rattlecan at the range....
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Posted: 9/16/2018 10:47:52 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Davey_Sickboy:
Beautiful day to rattlecan at the range....
https://i.imgur.com/SihTlJ1.jpg 
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Posted: 9/16/2018 11:19:42 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86:
Got a little surplus store score. Older Otis cleaning kit with the blackened hardware for my SPR Pelican case. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/324426/20180914_152038-671506.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/324426/20180914_125107-671505.JPG |
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Posted: 9/17/2018 12:53:04 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Davey_Sickboy:
Beautiful day to rattlecan at the range....
https://i.imgur.com/SihTlJ1.jpg |
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Posted: 9/17/2018 9:04:42 AM EDT
[#26]
I looked and searched but I can’t seem to find the answer. So if anybody knows, it’s yall.
What is the exact length (to the nearest fraction) of the KAC Mk12 RAS? TIA |
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Posted: 9/17/2018 12:00:06 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By drago6:
BA barrel and Badger gas block...not a match made in heaven
Unless there’s a magic secret, guess it’s time for a new barrel or GB. I put a generic .750 GB on and it went on like butter, but the Badger and PRI FSB barely made it past the step up. Tried it on the BA 16" Mod-H barrel and same result as well https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/449093/833CF721-E189-4A2E-8D73-B06F8AC001CE-670523.JPG  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/17/2018 12:05:31 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HARMS4X: Did it last year https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/187307/D8DC7722-251C-4B80-9096-39F014BD00DB-671743.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/187307/69DB84B1-0582-476F-8737-B2CF57004919-671744.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/187307/A202A75C-8C1A-4491-ADB4-1B21F6FEF46C-671745.JPG
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Posted: 9/17/2018 12:56:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: kells81]
[#29]
Still waiting on Brownells parts.. I wish I had waited till today though because they have 10% off today. My go ahead and cart/order some holland parts for the next run home in December.
Also ran across this outside of this thread. I am sure it is in here somewhere but there are a shit ton of pages to get to. I have the scope in a box somewhere would just have to buy the rings, and ARMs riser 
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Posted: 9/17/2018 12:57:42 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HARMS4X: When journals are tight like that and you need to remove that hair. Make a flappping tool and flap the internal journal. Be careful and practice. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/187307/27CA7F8C-9C42-43AB-BAA2-132E0EB153CA-674293.JPG |
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Posted: 9/17/2018 2:05:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: HARMS4X]
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kells81: LOL I am on vacation the rest of the week. You wanna hang out and show me the ways of your Jedi Mastery? 
What part of texas are you in? |
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Posted: 9/17/2018 2:06:40 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell:
I made one exactly like that a long time ago because the flap wheels we have were too big to reach into what I needed. |
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Posted: 9/17/2018 2:43:00 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HARMS4X:
It really does help on tight fits. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HARMS4X:
Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
I made one exactly like that a long time ago because the flap wheels we have were too big to reach into what I needed.
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Posted: 9/17/2018 3:38:36 PM EDT
[#34]
FYSA: sale at White Oak.....SPR barrels 195.
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Posted: 9/17/2018 3:48:57 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmedFerret:
FYSA: sale at White Oak.....SPR barrels 195. |
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Posted: 9/17/2018 5:20:45 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kells81: got a link? I am showing them at $275 White Oak SPR Sale |
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Posted: 9/17/2018 5:22:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ArmedFerret]
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kells81: got a link? I am showing them at $275
ETA: No link at the moment, as posted above the sale is Wednesday for Talk Like A Pirate Day. So they're not totally stuffy at WOA at least, that's good to know. 
Got in on the Brownell's 10%/free ship ($99+) with a Badger gas block, a YHM gas block for another build, and 2 rifle gas tubes (future 6.5C will be rifle gas so might as well grab it now while I'm thinking about it). Gives me the chance to at least get the KAC FF RAS fully installed on the mod 1 upper, since the collar and brake can be installed with the handguard in place. A step in the right direction. Still many more steps to go. |
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Posted: 9/17/2018 8:46:46 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WEK207:
They sent out an email; sale is only on Wednesday 9/19. White Oak SPR Sale Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WEK207:
Originally Posted By kells81: got a link? I am showing them at $275 White Oak SPR Sale 
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Posted: 9/17/2018 10:02:43 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Honda4828:
I'm not seeing a 16" spr profile mod h barrel Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Honda4828:
Originally Posted By WEK207:
Originally Posted By kells81: got a link? I am showing them at $275 White Oak SPR Sale |
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Posted: 9/17/2018 10:54:21 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HARMS4X:
Did a little MK12 Micro Turned out kinda sweet Used a kac mid length rail DPMS gas block turned for the collar BA mid length has barrel 13.6” https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/187307/11B59BB4-DC08-4FC8-8677-BAACFC10428E-671730.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/187307/2A24933D-6103-47C9-AB49-02F8B989C570-671731.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/187307/1D65AC11-7F9B-4C24-B681-1D71A1343465-671732.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/187307/DAE70C4C-F8EA-46C7-B0CB-301B9487923C-671733.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/187307/C255753C-CC7B-4EE4-8236-372BA5C5B921-671734.JPG |
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Posted: 9/18/2018 7:17:19 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Honda4828:
I'm not seeing a 16" spr profile mod h barrel Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Honda4828:
Originally Posted By WEK207:
Originally Posted By kells81: got a link? I am showing them at $275 White Oak SPR Sale |
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Posted: 9/18/2018 7:18:27 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cdholmes: How much space do you have between the can and rail with that 13.6" and Medium RAS? |
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Posted: 9/18/2018 9:14:00 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86:
Do your best pirate voice, call them, and ask if you could get a little applied to one of their 16" midgas match barrels with Ops 12th contour. Worst case they say no, and you can tell them the Mod H actually is on the handsheets still as SPR in certain armories. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86:
Originally Posted By Honda4828:
Originally Posted By WEK207:
Originally Posted By kells81: got a link? I am showing them at $275 White Oak SPR Sale 
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Posted: 9/18/2018 9:16:31 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HARMS4X:
Just buy a middy barrel in your choice of profile and have some one machine it for the ops brake & Collar Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HARMS4X:
Originally Posted By Honda4828:
Originally Posted By WEK207:
Originally Posted By kells81: got a link? I am showing them at $275 White Oak SPR Sale |
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Posted: 9/18/2018 9:28:52 AM EDT
[Last Edit: ArmedFerret]
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Honda4828: I’d love to have a CL criterion, or another Quality CL barrel(like a colt hbar)turned for a mod h ops profile. I inquired with CLE about this and they won’t turn CL barrels. Wish I knew who did. ETA: website shows contouring for AE collar at $120. includes contouring and a custom collar according to the description. |
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Posted: 9/18/2018 9:35:52 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmedFerret:
what about adco? they surely turned my wife's CL dissipator barrel no questions. damn fine job of it too. ETA: website shows contouring for AE collar at $120. includes contouring and a custom collar according to the description. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmedFerret:
Originally Posted By Honda4828: I’d love to have a CL criterion, or another Quality CL barrel(like a colt hbar)turned for a mod h ops profile. I inquired with CLE about this and they won’t turn CL barrels. Wish I knew who did. ETA: website shows contouring for AE collar at $120. includes contouring and a custom collar according to the description. |
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Posted: 9/18/2018 9:38:44 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Honda4828: Damn thanks for that. I forgot all about adco.
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Posted: 9/18/2018 10:09:04 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmedFerret:
No worries. I see Brownells has a 16" mid-gas CL criterion for about 250 with the military/C&R/FFL discount..... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmedFerret:
Originally Posted By Honda4828: Damn thanks for that. I forgot all about adco.
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Posted: 9/18/2018 10:41:04 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86: Do your best pirate voice, call them, and ask if you could get a little applied to one of their 16" midgas match barrels with Ops 12th contour. Worst case they say no, and you can tell them the Mod H actually is on the handsheets still as SPR in certain armories. |
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Posted: 9/18/2018 1:10:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: kells81]
[#50]
Most of my Mod 1 has arrived. Waiting on the mounts and the brake/collar. Torn on using my KAC BC or just reusing the colt one with the new bolt.
I have the sights in a drawer somewhere. I am hoping to get to shoot this before I leave this week to go back to Iraq but its gonna be tight. My ticket is a day earlier than I thought it was. 
ETA: Oops....
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