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12/2/2010 2:03:48 PM EDT
I have a new Rock River Arms AR15. I purchased the CMMG AR15/M16 .22 Conversion Kit for use in my Olympic Arms AR15 but I sold that just recently. i have used and fired the conversion kit in my Olympic ARMS AR just fine but the Rack River customer service rep says firing the conversion kit will void the warranty. Has anyone had any issues firing a .22lr conversion kit through their Rock River? Is it not recommended? It is brand new and I spent $150 for it and three 26 round mags. I hate to waste the money and I would like to save money plinking using the .22lr rounds.

Any insight or recommendations would be appreciated.

12/2/2010 2:11:21 PM EDT
[#1]
No clue with RRA's warranty... ask them why it will void it?


Meh.. i understand their point of view as its an aftermarket accessory... but as a customer this is just one of the reasons i would never buy a RRA.


Also.. your question would be better placed... in the rimfire section
12/2/2010 2:17:54 PM EDT
[#2]
Quoted:
No clue with RRA's warranty... ask them why it will void it?


Meh.. i understand their point of view as its an aftermarket accessory... but as a customer this is just one of the reasons i would never buy a RRA.


Also.. your question would be better placed... in the rimfire section


Whats wrong with RRA? seemed they were pretty popular a couple years ago

Rob

12/2/2010 2:29:07 PM EDT
[#3]
Quoted:
Quoted:
No clue with RRA's warranty... ask them why it will void it?


Meh.. i understand their point of view as its an aftermarket accessory... but as a customer this is just one of the reasons i would never buy a RRA.


Also.. your question would be better placed... in the rimfire section


Whats wrong with RRA? seemed they were pretty popular a couple years ago

Rob

Yes they were...especially when every one was in panic when Obama got elected. They were a big rave just like Bushmaster's a while back.

12/2/2010 2:29:21 PM EDT
[#4]
Quoted:
Quoted:
No clue with RRA's warranty... ask them why it will void it?


Meh.. i understand their point of view as its an aftermarket accessory... but as a customer this is just one of the reasons i would never buy a RRA.


Also.. your question would be better placed... in the rimfire section


Whats wrong with RRA? seemed they were pretty popular a couple years ago

Rob



well i do not own a RRA myself, and im sure itll go bang everytime you pull the trigger for the most part.  But for me personally i don't think they offer as many higher quality features as some other manufacturers do for the same price.

Also RRA tends to machine to higher tolerances than others... which is all well and good if your getting a match type benchrest rifle... but doesn't work so well with a put in the dirt rifle.  Also i have read that there have been fit issues with RRA's parts and others because of this.

My best friend recently got a RRA BCG and it seems to be pretty darn tight.  Tolerance stacking.  

Meh... also they were popular at the time because options were limited... Now with a larger market and more options it kinda seems they have fallen by the wayside and been out performed by other manufacturers for the price.

I think its a pretty classic example of a company that was one of the big ones... got fat and lazy... and then while they were sitting back counting money got outflanked by the new kids on the block.  

Same thing happened with DPMS.  They used to be "quality"  Bushmaster too.

And to a lesser extent its happening to Colt as well.
12/2/2010 2:32:31 PM EDT
[#5]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
No clue with RRA's warranty... ask them why it will void it?


Meh.. i understand their point of view as its an aftermarket accessory... but as a customer this is just one of the reasons i would never buy a RRA.


Also.. your question would be better placed... in the rimfire section


Whats wrong with RRA? seemed they were pretty popular a couple years ago

Rob



well i do not own a RRA myself, and im sure itll go bang everytime you pull the trigger for the most part.  But for me personally i don't think they offer as many higher quality features as some other manufacturers do for the same price.

Also RRA tends to machine to higher tolerances than others... which is all well and good if your getting a match type benchrest rifle... but doesn't work so well with a put in the dirt rifle.  Also i have read that there have been fit issues with RRA's parts and others because of this.

My best friend recently got a RRA BCG and it seems to be pretty darn tight.  Tolerance stacking.  

Meh... also they were popular at the time because options were limited... Now with a larger market and more options it kinda seems they have fallen by the wayside and been out performed by other manufacturers for the price.[/quote] That was the same excuse they said about Bushmaster"s.

12/2/2010 2:45:13 PM EDT
[#6]
Hmm, maybe I'm not remembering correctly

In my personal experience my RRA has no issues, Ive run it dirty nasty shooting nothing but .22 Rimfire and cleaning it by mag dumping wolf to clear out the gas system

It was tight when it was new but its had quite a few rounds through it since then.

Id say shoot it wet and shoot it often, she should have no issues.

Rob
12/2/2010 2:51:37 PM EDT
[#7]
The only real mechanical reason I could see for them saying it would void the warranty is that of lead-fouling of the gas port. This is a normal problem encoutered when shooting high volumes of .22 through an AR barrel.
I use a CMMG conversion in one of my ARs and have mitigated the problem by only using jacketed or copper-washed .22LR and then shooting a mag of 5.56 through the barrel for every few hundred rounds of .22LR. The 5.56 effectively blows out the fouling from the gas port before it can build up too much.
I'd say just do what I did, and if you ever have a warrantee clam, make sure your gas system is really clean before sending it in...
12/2/2010 3:05:30 PM EDT
[#8]
Quoted:
Hmm, maybe I'm not remembering correctly

In my personal experience my RRA has no issues, Ive run it dirty nasty shooting nothing but .22 Rimfire and cleaning it by mag dumping wolf to clear out the gas system

It was tight when it was new but its had quite a few rounds through it since then.

Id say shoot it wet and shoot it often, she should have no issues.

Rob
I agree.

12/2/2010 3:13:09 PM EDT
[#9]
I should actually have  a CMMG 22lr conversion in the mailbox as I am writing this, which I purchased from Brownells. Rainierhooker is right on his advice.
12/2/2010 3:14:40 PM EDT
[#10]
It's probably a fairly standard answer. They don't sell a conversion so they also will not warranty using one.
My work rifle was a 10.5" RRA with an RRA lower. I trusted my life with it and it never failed. I still have it as my first line of defense (after my Shepard).
I've used my CMMG many times in my RRA 10.5" and it has never done anything but run.
I run a Boresnake with a little CLP through the barrel after shooting .22. Then I fire 3-5 rounds of .223 through it to blow the gas tube out.
0 issues.
Dave
12/2/2010 3:22:18 PM EDT
[#11]
Quoted:
It's probably a fairly standard answer. They don't sell a conversion so they also will not warranty using one.
My work rifle was a 10.5" RRA with an RRA lower. I trusted my life with it and it never failed. I still have it as my first line of defense (after my Shepard).
I've used my CMMG many times in my RRA 10.5" and it has never done anything but run.
I run a Boresnake with a little CLP through the barrel after shooting .22. Then I fire 3-5 rounds of .223 through it to blow the gas tube out.
0 issues.
Dave
Right on the money....SC

12/2/2010 5:20:22 PM EDT
[#12]
Thank you all for the advice and personal experience. I would also fire half a mag of 5.56 after shooting .22lr with the Oly arms rifle to clean out the gas tube. Since those with RRA's say it's ok and have done it themselves i will go ahead and use my .22lr conversion kit.

By the way, I don't think the RRA was very expensive for what i got. Paid $1180 with the flip-up front and rear sights and quad rail system. That includes shipping costs too. i thinks Colts are over priced and you are paying for the name myself but that is just my opinion.

Thanks again everyone for your input.
12/2/2010 5:31:03 PM EDT
[#13]
I have a complete RRA lower that is mated with a Bushmaster upper. It works just fine with my Colt .22 conversion kit. I bet a RRA upper would too. RRA probably voids the warranty because they don't want to be on the hook IF you experienced some sort of malfunction or failure after shooting rf ammo in it...the same way just about every mfgr voids their warranty if you shoot handloads.
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