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Posted: 9/13/2010 2:24:46 PM EDT
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Recce build
–––Lower: Spikes w/ Spikes enhanced LPK ––- Magpul UBR with spikes milspec buffer kit –––Upper Receiver- Spikes ––- BCM SS140 16" ––- DD Lite 12 ––- Troy flip up irons ––- Spikes chrome Bcg and and BCM gunfighter ––- mid length gas tube w/ YHM low profile block ––- Magpul RVG ––- Magpul XTM covers ––- Bobro Bipod ––- Leupold Mark 4 MR/T 1.5-5x20mm M2 IR SPR Will put lower together myself. Will ship upper components to ADCO. |
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As long as you understand how restricted you would be if you wanted to change handguards later.
It sounds like a pretty normal rifle. Put it together and have a blast, or thirty. ETA: It wasn't sarcasm, I seriously didn't know if you wanted us to proof your parts list or were simply asking opinions on it. But yeah, I am sarcastic most of the time. I'm turning over a new leaf and leaving my attitude in General Discussion. |
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I think you have a top notch quality list of components. I'd go with a VLTOR gas block, I've used them before , very nice.
Optics and such you can worry about later. You might want to check out the DD lower parts kit, they are really nice from what I've read. Again, I would suggest letting ADCO assemble it for you, they do great work. |
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Just make sure you line up the gas block properly.
ETA: Again, I would suggest letting ADCO assemble it for you, they do great work.
This is a better idea, I've got 2 guns assembled by ADCO, not so much as a hiccup in over 9k on one rifle and a little over 2k on the other. |
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The problem with that is that you can't change your rail once you do that. I like to play around with my builds, I am on my 4-5 upper build and I wouldn't want to be stuck with one rail / FH permanently only to save 1.5" but if thats something you are cool with go for it. sounds like top shelf stuff. |
| I would consider the 14.5" White Oak Armament ss match barrel . It is like $90 less, and WOA is known for quality and accuracy. It looks like it has a lighter profile too. I don't want to knock the super duper match Rainier Arms barrels, because i have not read a single independent review of them. I'm sure that they are great, I seriously doubt they are $90 greater than the WOA barrel however. |
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I would consider the 14.5" White Oak Armament ss match barrel . It is like $90 less, and WOA is known for quality and accuracy. It looks like it has a lighter profile too. I don't want to knock the super duper match Rainier Arms barrels, because i have not read a single independent review of them. I'm sure that they are great, I seriously doubt they are $90 greater than the WOA barrel however. Just might! Thanks!! |
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Get the BCM 16". Its a recce, so leave it 16", and thank me later. The added velocity will help you at extended ranges from a trajectory standpoint.
BCM barrels come dimpled, so its SUPER easy to align the gas block, because the screws and the dimples are tapered...meaning placement will be perfect. Get a low profile YHM 22 dollar gas block and thats all you need. Daniel Defense IMHO makes the better rail. The installation is very very easy, and allows you to choose whatever torque setting you want. Also, guys, he can change his rail if its permed, he just has to keep it the same brand hes using. Most muzzle devices will allow the actual rail itself to slide right over. |
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Get the BCM 16". Its a recce, so leave it 16", and thank me later. The added velocity will help you at extended ranges from a trajectory standpoint. BCM barrels come dimpled, so its SUPER easy to align the gas block, because the screws and the dimples are tapered...meaning placement will be perfect. Get a low profile YHM 22 dollar gas block and thats all you need. Daniel Defense IMHO makes the better rail. The installation is very very easy, and allows you to choose whatever torque setting you want. Also, guys, he can change his rail if its permed, he just has to keep it the same brand hes using. Most muzzle devices will allow the actual rail itself to slide right over. The longest range I've got locally is 200 yards. I still want to cut it down for a weight, maneuverability like a carbine standpoint. |
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Get the BCM 16". Its a recce, so leave it 16", and thank me later. The added velocity will help you at extended ranges from a trajectory standpoint. BCM barrels come dimpled, so its SUPER easy to align the gas block, because the screws and the dimples are tapered...meaning placement will be perfect. Get a low profile YHM 22 dollar gas block and thats all you need. Daniel Defense IMHO makes the better rail. The installation is very very easy, and allows you to choose whatever torque setting you want. Also, guys, he can change his rail if its permed, he just has to keep it the same brand hes using. Most muzzle devices will allow the actual rail itself to slide right over. The longest range I've got locally is 200 yards. I still want to cut it down for a weight, maneuverability like a carbine standpoint. If you're shooting out to 200, may I politely ask why you are going with a stainless barrel? A nice 14.5 middy with some GOOD match grade ammo should still do a 3 inch group at 200 if you do your part. Seems like you are more concerned with weight and maneuverability. Do the 14.5 chromed with a gov't or lightweight profile and middy gas system. Save the recce for later when you'll actually be able to see some of the benefits. Otherwise you're going to end up with a short, heavy rifle that frankly isn't ideal for....well...anything. 14.5 and 16 really aren't that different from a maneuverability standpoint. I understand the weight thing, but if you want a good blend, I would get a 16" and have it dimpled, instead of cut and threaded. You will save the weight, but you wont sacrifice the velocity. You will notice more of a benefit from a weight savings than you will from a length difference. Just my opinion as someone who owns a few AR's with different profiles, materials and lengths. |
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Honestly? Aesthetics. Well that works too... Being honest. I love the look of 14.5 SS with long rails. Might I suggest you just get a 14.5 midlength gov't barrel then and duracoat it a stainless type color? You can order up a duracoat that will look almost identical to bead blasted stainless. If you're doing it for looks, thats the easiest and best way to still have a very effective carbine that will STILL be plenty accurate with match ammo. It will also give the look you want without basically giving you a short heavy carbine. |
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I am not trying to rain on any parades but I have a cpl. things to add....firstly, I will echo what many have said....buying a brand new barrel to cut down a inch and half should only done under really rare circumstances as its just not needed nor is it useful. Either buy a 14.5" or a 16", just don't hack up a brand new barrel unless you have to.
The majority of your components list matches up pretty well w. the accepted def. of a recce/recon....by adding a 14.5" instead of a 16", you will clearly not be building a recce anymore as the 16" barrel is paramount to the application of the recce, your rail is a little short for a true recce as well. Again not trying to darken the mood but when you say that you want a SS for the reasons of aesthetics its hard to take a build serious when that is a driving factor for how it is being built. |
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Recce build –––Lower: Spikes w/ Spikes enhanced LPK ––- Magpul UBR with spikes milspec buffer kit –––Upper Receiver- Spikes ––- BCM SS140 16" ––- DD Lite 12 ––- Troy flip up irons ––- Spikes chrome Bcg and and BCM gunfighter ––- mid length gas tube w/ spikes low profile block ––- Bobro Bipod ––- Leupold Mark 4 MR/T 1.5-5x20mm M2 IR SPR Will put lower together myself. Will ship upper components to ADCO. Assuming you don't cut down the barrel, you just described my recce with the following exceptions - I used Mega receivers and a Colt BCG. I paid the extra $ for the Ion-Bonded BCM barrel and one thing you are missing is an upgraded trigger. I went with the Giessle SSA |
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Pics? Thanks! Not with the UBR installed. Here it is pre UBR... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/cgv69/Recce/recce1.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/cgv69/Recce/recce2.jpg I'll see if I can take some later to show you what it looks like with the UBR installed Which mount is that? |
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Pics? Thanks! Not with the UBR installed. Here it is pre UBR... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/cgv69/Recce/recce1.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/cgv69/Recce/recce2.jpg I'll see if I can take some later to show you what it looks like with the UBR installed That thing is sick, man! 16 bbl./ 12" rail FTW! 
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Recce build –––Lower: Spikes w/ Spikes enhanced LPK ––- Magpul UBR with spikes milspec buffer kit –––Upper Receiver- Spikes ––- BCM SS140 16" ––- DD Lite 12 ––- Troy flip up irons ––- Spikes chrome Bcg and and BCM gunfighter ––- mid length gas tube w/ spikes low profile block ––- Bobro Bipod ––- Leupold Mark 4 MR/T 1.5-5x20mm M2 IR SPR Will put lower together myself. Will ship upper components to ADCO. Assuming you don't cut down the barrel, you just described my recce with the following exceptions - I used Mega receivers and a Colt BCG. I paid the extra $ for the Ion-Bonded BCM barrel and one thing you are missing is an upgraded trigger. I went with the Giessle SSA I am going to echo this. If you are doing a REECE for accuracy, the trigger is the only component you are missing. A Giessle SSA jumps out for this build, but a RRA 2 stage or other upgrade will serve you well. |
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I am not trying to rain on any parades but I have a cpl. things to add....firstly, I will echo what many have said....buying a brand new barrel to cut down a inch and half should only done under really rare circumstances as its just not needed nor is it useful. Either buy a 14.5" or a 16", just don't hack up a brand new barrel unless you have to. The majority of your components list matches up pretty well w. the accepted def. of a recce/recon....by adding a 14.5" instead of a 16", you will clearly not be building a recce anymore as the 16" barrel is paramount to the application of the recce, your rail is a little short for a true recce as well. Again not trying to darken the mood but when you say that you want a SS for the reasons of aesthetics its hard to take a build serious when that is a driving factor for how it is being built.   Really? He is planning on using a 12" rail. From my understanding and looking through the Recce pic thread 10-12" seems to be the norm. Are you saying he should use a 13.2-14"?
Personally I used a 10" DD Lite on my Recce build to help keep weight in check; Mine is 9lbs including loaded 30rd mag, sling, & optics and handles very nicely. 
I do agree with the recommendations of a SSA trigger. I've used many OE triggers, RRA 2stg, both types tuned by Bill Springfield, and finally bought an SSA. This trigger is excellent... a near perfect balance of precision and safe weight trigger pull IMO. |
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You are correct, I am saying that a 10-12" rail is a bit short of what at least in my book is the def. of a recce length rail...If I went with a DD rail for a recce, I would get the lite 14.0 as that is what would be proper spec'd in my book.
I am not sure why people want to blur the specs in regards to these recce/recons given its not exactly like were talking mk12 specs here with all the lil ARMs items and such....recce's have three main areas in which they are defined...1) 16" moa or below barrel with most being sub moa, midlength and SS. 2.) Rifle length rails which consists of 13-14" rails, not 10-12" rails. 3.) mid range optics with 1-4xs being the min with power capped at 10x the majority of the time. All else can be config'd to the enduser but the three simple categories in my book should at least be meet to be a recce/recon. My rail on my recce/recon..... 
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You are correct, I am saying that a 10-12" rail is a bit short of what at least in my book is the def. of a recce length rail...If I went with a DD rail for a recce, I would get the lite 14.0 as that is what would be proper spec'd in my book. I am not sure why people want to blur the specs in regards to these recce/recons given its not exactly like were talking mk12 specs here with all the lil ARMs items and such....recce's have three main areas in which they are defined...1) 16" moa or below barrel with most being sub moa, midlength and SS. 2.) Rifle length rails which consists of 13-14" rails, not 10-12" rails. 3.) mid range optics with 1-4xs being the min with power capped at 10x the majority of the time. Sorry but I think you're out on your own on this one (or at least in the minority). Go look at the recce thread and you will see the majority of the recce's posted have either a 10" or 12" rail. Also you should note that a carbine length rail is 7", a mid-length rail is 9" and a rifle length rail is 12". The 10" rail is an extended mid-length rail and the 13.2" and 14" rails are extended rifle rails. Either way, as you sort of note, there are no exact "specs" for a recce or "recon" AR. I myself would say the only "rules" to building a recce are... A. A 16" barrel (mid-length gas system preferred but the original crane built recce's used a carbine length gas tube). B. A long rail that covers a low-pro gas block (and really I don't even think a fixed FSB automatically rules it out as a recce) C. Magnified optic Really, a recce is more of a concept then anything. It's supposed to be a compromise between a CQB type carbine and a longer range precision rifle. Some people gear theirs more towards the CQB side and others more towards the precision side but in the end, it doesn't really matter what parts you use as long as the end results match your needs/goals. |
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You are correct, I am saying that a 10-12" rail is a bit short of what at least in my book is the def. of a recce length rail...If I went with a DD rail for a recce, I would get the lite 14.0 as that is what would be proper spec'd in my book. I am not sure why people want to blur the specs in regards to these recce/recons given its not exactly like were talking mk12 specs here with all the lil ARMs items and such....recce's have three main areas in which they are defined...1) 16" moa or below barrel with most being sub moa, midlength and SS. 2.) Rifle length rails which consists of 13-14" rails, not 10-12" rails. 3.) mid range optics with 1-4xs being the min with power capped at 10x the majority of the time. Sorry but I think you're out on your own on this one (or at least in the minority). Go look at the recce thread and you will see the majority of the recce's posted have either a 10" or 12" rail. Also you should note that a carbine length rail is 7", a mid-length rail is 9" and a rifle length rail is 12". The 10" rail is an extended mid-length rail and the 13.2" and 14" rails are extended rifle rails. Either way, as you sort of note, there are no exact "specs" for a recce or "recon" AR. I myself would say the only "rules" to building a recce are... A. A 16" barrel (mid-length gas system preferred but the original crane built recce's used a carbine length gas tube). B. A long rail that covers a low-pro gas block (and really I don't even think a fixed FSB automatically rules it out as a recce) C. Magnified optic Really, a recce is more of a concept then anything. It's supposed to be a compromise between a CQB type carbine and a longer range precision rifle. Some people gear theirs more towards the CQB side and others more towards the precision side but in the end, it doesn't really matter what parts you use as long as the end results match your needs/goals. Exactly. And I want a good combination of both |
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Sounds like a good build. I have a stag for a blaster...
FWIW, My next build is gonna be a 14.5" recceish precision build (WOA 14.5", vtac xtreme 13", and a 1-4x) The one after that is gonna be 16" with a 2-7 or higher power. The 16" will probably look a lot like trident's build... those mrps are sexy .
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You are correct, I am saying that a 10-12" rail is a bit short of what at least in my book is the def. of a recce length rail...If I went with a DD rail for a recce, I would get the lite 14.0 as that is what would be proper spec'd in my book. I am not sure why people want to blur the specs in regards to these recce/recons given its not exactly like were talking mk12 specs here with all the lil ARMs items and such....recce's have three main areas in which they are defined...1) 16" moa or below barrel with most being sub moa, midlength and SS. 2.) Rifle length rails which consists of 13-14" rails, not 10-12" rails. 3.) mid range optics with 1-4xs being the min with power capped at 10x the majority of the time. Sorry but I think you're out on your own on this one (or at least in the minority). Go look at the recce thread and you will see the majority of the recce's posted have either a 10" or 12" rail. Also you should note that a carbine length rail is 7", a mid-length rail is 9" and a rifle length rail is 12". The 10" rail is an extended mid-length rail and the 13.2" and 14" rails are extended rifle rails. Either way, as you sort of note, there are no exact "specs" for a recce or "recon" AR. I myself would say the only "rules" to building a recce are... A. A 16" barrel (mid-length gas system preferred but the original crane built recce's used a carbine length gas tube). B. A long rail that covers a low-pro gas block (and really I don't even think a fixed FSB automatically rules it out as a recce) C. Magnified optic Really, a recce is more of a concept then anything. It's supposed to be a compromise between a CQB type carbine and a longer range precision rifle. Some people gear theirs more towards the CQB side and others more towards the precision side but in the end, it doesn't really matter what parts you use as long as the end results match your needs/goals. Thanks for the info on rails, had no clue about them at all as I get lonely in the minority not using rails anymore as I cannot tell where my rails end and my receiver begins....silly mono rail 
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Either way, as you sort of note, there are no exact "specs" for a recce or "recon" AR. I myself would say the only "rules" to building a recce are... A. A 16" barrel (mid-length gas system preferred but the original crane built recce's used a carbine length gas tube). B. A long rail that covers a low-pro gas block (and really I don't even think a fixed FSB automatically rules it out as a recce) C. Magnified optic Really, a recce is more of a concept then anything. It's supposed to be a compromise between a CQB type carbine and a longer range precision rifle. Some people gear theirs more towards the CQB side and others more towards the precision side but in the end, it doesn't really matter what parts you use as long as the end results match your needs/goals. These are my thoughts as well. The key really is that there are no defined specs and that the goal of the Recce is to be a great balance of precision and maneuverability. Quoted:
I'm kind of torn between stocks. ACS? UBR? SOPMOD? EMOD? I have a commercial ACS on my bushy and I love it. I like my SOPMOD a lot. I'm not a fan of the ACS but that's just from an aesthetic standpoint. The UBR is great and balances out a slightly heavier rifle nicely. If you are not being conscious of the weight of your upper or know it'll be a little on the heavy side then it might be the best route. No experience with the EMOD, same story as ACS, but like my std Modstock for compact rifles. |
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