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Posted: 9/8/2010 3:46:59 PM EDT
| I am considering buying a fail zero bolt carrier and I am not sure if its worth the $200 is there a cheaoer alternative |
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I have one... and I will never buy anything else.
BTW... a guy local here sells them for 200 a pop, dont know if he ships or whatever... but if you want his info you can email me. Also I have the actual fail-zero one... I think the Spikes Tactical is a little better finish, they have better quality standards for the appearance.. so that would probably be the way to go.. you have to remember that its a clear finish on it, so the actual tool marks will be visible on the BCG... its not like a chrome where its all solid color.. your actually looking at the metal through the coating.. dont know how much you care about it.. doesnt effect the function at all.. its just something some people care about. but anyways... I say get it... youll never regret it. |
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What kind of difference would someone notice?????????????? Maybe easier to clean; or the finish coming off and littering in your upper 
Finish coming off in your upper? huh? Is this something youve heard...seen? documentation? or are you just talking about something you have no real personal experience with? Anyways... what your gonna notice is you dont have to oil it. Less mess. And you dont have to stop to re-oil mid shooting. And you arent going to have to worry about your lubrication or lack thereof. You can lightly oil it for your peace of mind.. but eh.. you dont have to. I dont and Ive never had a malfunction yet. Cleaning is easy.. spray it down with clp... wipe it off. pop it back in. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: What kind of difference would someone notice?????????????? Maybe easier to clean; or the finish coming off and littering in your upper Finish coming off in your upper? huh? Is this something youve heard...seen? documentation? or are you just talking about something you have no real personal experience with? Anyways... what your gonna notice is you dont have to oil it. Less mess. And you dont have to stop to re-oil mid shooting. And you arent going to have to worry about your lubrication or lack thereof. You can lightly oil it for your peace of mind.. but eh.. you dont have to. I dont and Ive never had a malfunction yet. Cleaning is easy.. spray it down with clp... wipe it off. pop it back in. Just a few days ago there was a thread about this happening to some guy. And there are more I've seen over the years. If you actually care and are not just being aggressive I'll go dig it up for you. Edit: Here you go. If it can happen to one manufacture it can happen to anyone. I still don't understand the justification of using one if it's 60$ more than a standard BCG. ARs can go many rounds with only an initial lubing. And if they were the end all of BCG the .mil would be employing them, and countless others; and many experienced members here see no need. I don't think finish flaking off will cause a malfunction but again, I don't see the point in the first place. One from a week ago. http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=118&t=509185 |
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What kind of difference would someone notice?????????????? Maybe easier to clean; or the finish coming off and littering in your upper
Finish coming off in your upper? huh? Is this something youve heard...seen? documentation? or are you just talking about something you have no real personal experience with? Anyways... what your gonna notice is you dont have to oil it. Less mess. And you dont have to stop to re-oil mid shooting. And you arent going to have to worry about your lubrication or lack thereof. You can lightly oil it for your peace of mind.. but eh.. you dont have to. I dont and Ive never had a malfunction yet. Cleaning is easy.. spray it down with clp... wipe it off. pop it back in. Just a few days ago there was a thread about this happening to some guy. And there are more I've seen over the years. If you actually care and are not just being aggressive I'll go dig it up for you. Edit: Here you go. If it can happen to one manufacture it can happen to anyone. I still don't understand the justification of using one if it's 60$ more than a standard BCG. ARs can go many rounds with only an initial lubing. And if they were the end all of BCG the .mil would be employing them, and countless others; and many experienced members here see no need. I don't think finish flaking off will cause a malfunction but again, I don't see the point in the first place. One from a week ago. http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=118&t=509185 I was being serious. Chrome plated.. and a NiB coating are 2 different things, you cant point at chrome flaking off and say NiB will flake off as well. Im not saying it wont at some point, but there is a lifetime warranty on it, and have you seen the stats on how many rounds they have put through with them? nevermind.. i pulled it up.. they claim it NEVER will flake off. Unlike films, conventional coatings and applied lubricants, it will never rub off, never flake off, never build up crud. EXO Technology eliminates wet-lubrication failures of critical components, giving you an “active weapon advantage” under all conditions. Proven by DoD tests, SWAT teams, tactical experts. The patented EXOTM Technology used in FAILZERO upgrades has been thoroughly tested and proven effective by UCT Defense – a division of UCT Coatings and developer of EXO Technology – and by the U.S. Department of Defense. Test results include: * 50,000 lube-free rounds on AR-15s. * 15,000 lube-free rounds on M9 pistols. * 18,000 lube-free rounds on carbine rifles. * 23,000 lube-free rounds on machine guns. Read more: http://kitup.military.com/2010/06/fire-and-forget-the-lube-that-is.html#ixzz0z6xp0RDy They DO use it in military applications. But not BCG's, just mortar tubes, helicopter parts, and machine gun parts. although there have been claims of Special Forces guys running it, but of course they the gov isnt giving out info on SF loadouts too much. You have to remember that the .gov gives these contracts to the LOWEST bidders. Oiling and maintance has worked fine for troops over the years.. no need to spend the extra money on the coating, but thats not to say it wouldnt be BETTER. Even still, with oiling and all of that... the AR15 DID get a rep for Malfunctioning and it IS a dirty gun. Something like this can only help the platform. Hell I do believe the troops should have this. Also.. the company awhile back stopped doing individual orders for sending in your parts to get coated because they were too busy with contract stuff. Someone out there is buying this stuff up. |
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What kind of difference would someone notice?????????????? Maybe easier to clean; or the finish coming off and littering in your upper
Finish coming off in your upper? huh? Is this something youve heard...seen? documentation? or are you just talking about something you have no real personal experience with? Anyways... what your gonna notice is you dont have to oil it. Less mess. And you dont have to stop to re-oil mid shooting. And you arent going to have to worry about your lubrication or lack thereof. You can lightly oil it for your peace of mind.. but eh.. you dont have to. I dont and Ive never had a malfunction yet. Cleaning is easy.. spray it down with clp... wipe it off. pop it back in. Just a few days ago there was a thread about this happening to some guy. And there are more I've seen over the years. If you actually care and are not just being aggressive I'll go dig it up for you. Edit: Here you go. If it can happen to one manufacture it can happen to anyone. I still don't understand the justification of using one if it's 60$ more than a standard BCG. ARs can go many rounds with only an initial lubing. And if they were the end all of BCG the .mil would be employing them, and countless others; and many experienced members here see no need. I don't think finish flaking off will cause a malfunction but again, I don't see the point in the first place. One from a week ago. http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=118&t=509185 We are talking about Fail Zero with EXO Technology, not a Stag chrome BCG. Your Fail Zero will serve you well. I have one in my SBR and it works fine after I put the rubber O-ring around the extractor spring. That was my fault for doing a bunch of upgrades to the guts of my rifle, and missing slightly on the combination. I got 'er fixed now baby and she runs great. I even tested it the other day on full auto with an HK 416 and she ran like a top. Again, the finish will not wear off, and you need no oil. Hell, just a screwdriver and a bore snake will take care of your rifle if you get the Fail Zero. |
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What kind of difference would someone notice?????????????? Maybe easier to clean; or the finish coming off and littering in your upper
Finish coming off in your upper? huh? Is this something youve heard...seen? documentation? or are you just talking about something you have no real personal experience with? Anyways... what your gonna notice is you dont have to oil it. Less mess. And you dont have to stop to re-oil mid shooting. And you arent going to have to worry about your lubrication or lack thereof. You can lightly oil it for your peace of mind.. but eh.. you dont have to. I dont and Ive never had a malfunction yet. Cleaning is easy.. spray it down with clp... wipe it off. pop it back in. Just a few days ago there was a thread about this happening to some guy. And there are more I've seen over the years. If you actually care and are not just being aggressive I'll go dig it up for you. Edit: Here you go. If it can happen to one manufacture it can happen to anyone. I still don't understand the justification of using one if it's 60$ more than a standard BCG. ARs can go many rounds with only an initial lubing. And if they were the end all of BCG the .mil would be employing them, and countless others; and many experienced members here see no need. I don't think finish flaking off will cause a malfunction but again, I don't see the point in the first place. One from a week ago. http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=118&t=509185 We are talking about Fail Zero with EXO Technology, not a Stag chrome BCG. Your Fail Zero will serve you well. I have one in my SBR and it works fine after I put the rubber O-ring around the extractor spring. That was my fault for doing a bunch of upgrades to the guts of my rifle, and missing slightly on the combination. I got 'er fixed now baby and she runs great. I even tested it the other day on full auto with an HK 416 and she ran like a top. Again, the finish will not wear off, and you need no oil. Hell, just a screwdriver and a bore snake will take care of your rifle if you get the Fail Zero. Ok... im stumped.... what are you doing with a screwdriver.....? Unless your drinking it? |
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The directions provided by Fail Zero say tho scrape the bolt with a flat bladed object if build up needs to be removed. So, that plus a bore snake = clean. I was being a bit sarcastic also. Ahhh... I still clean mine as usual with clp and such... just very easily :P Havent had to scrape anything yet, but im not running SBR or supressed. |
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