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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Colt vs RRA (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 8/23/2010 7:56:07 AM EDT
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If you had to choose between a Colt or RRA AR, which one would you pick? |
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I am a colt guy but my reasons are the following. Nostalgia. Mil-spec 1/7 twist. I like hunting with AR15's, and I also shoot at 500 yards. So, 1/7 helps. The only ARs I've ever shot were Colts, and they've been uber reliable for a long long time. Not knocking RRA in any way. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Not even a comparison, really. Colt is better than RRA. What makes Colt better than RRA? Im clueless when it comes to AR's, just got into them. QC/QA, materials and manufacturing processes are much better with the Colt. Besides, Colt actually makes most of their parts in house unlike RRA who makes nothing. |
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I am a colt guy but my reasons are the following. resale Nostalgia. Mil-spec 1/7 twist. I like hunting with AR15's, and I also shoot at 500 yards. So, 1/7 helps. The only ARs I've ever shot were Colts, and they've been uber reliable for a long long time. Not knocking RRA in any way. this |
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Everything about Colt is better. And before somebody comes in with the "fit and finish" bullshit, that's irrelevant because "fit and finish" as it's known here isn't a measure of AR-15 quality. I voted Colt, but fit isnt a measure of AR quality??  I said "fit and finish" as it's known around here. And yes, it's no measure of quality. Perhaps you should understand what it is you're " " before you ""
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I have an early (ca 1986) Colt AR15A2 and a RRA M4ish carbine. Both are plenty accurate, both have chrome lined bores, the Colt has a 1:7" twist barrel and the RRA has a 1:9" but still stabilizes 75gr pills just fine. The Colt's BCG has an unshrouded firing pin. The fit and finish are similar.
I don't own a 6920 but from what I have, if I needed to fight with my rifle, the RRA would be my choice. If I had to choose which to buy for a fighting rifle, I would lean towards the RRA so I would have more money left to buy a quality optic or ammo. On an only tangentially related note, even Colt puts out the occasional turd. On my last rifle qual, I got an M4 whose trigger would not reset every third round. I had to manually push the trigger forward to fire another round. The FCG was reasonably clean and there were no missing or broken parts or misplaced springs that I could see without disassembling it. |
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Everything about Colt is better. And before somebody comes in with the "fit and finish" bullshit, that's irrelevant because "fit and finish" as it's known here isn't a measure of AR-15 quality. I voted Colt, but fit isnt a measure of AR quality?? I said "fit and finish" as it's known around here. And yes, it's no measure of quality. Perhaps you should understand what it is you're " " before you ""No need to be rude, Captains1911. I think what he interpreted "fit" to be was fit between the upper and lower (though a little play is not out of the ordinary), and fit between things like the LPK and the lower, the stock/pistol grip and the lower, the BCG and the upper. Completely understandable. |
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Well, with no other info or request, I'd say a colt, as I'd bet most others would. Not that I wouldn't own a RRA, save myself some money. I've owned a number of RRA rifles, and have yet to have any issues with them. I'm in exactly the same boat as you are. I'm an avid Colt collector, but there are actually more Rock River ARs in my collection than Colts...a lot more. The reason is that most of my ARs are builds, and those builds are based on Rock River Arms stripped lower receivers. My RRA lowers are made by CMT, and CMT has been in the game for a very long time. Colt stripped lowers are nearly impossible to find, and they are priced accordingly. If the OP is asking about factory built rifles, I'd choose Colt over a comparably equipped RRA for the reasons outlined above (4150 steel, MPI, proof load firing, chrome-lined chamber and bore etc etc etc). If the OP is asking about building his new rifle, I would opt for a Rock River stripped lower receiver-and then Colt, BCM, or LMT internals and upper half. My apology if I convoluted the discussion 
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Everything about Colt is better. And before somebody comes in with the "fit and finish" bullshit, that's irrelevant because "fit and finish" as it's known here isn't a measure of AR-15 quality. I voted Colt, but fit isnt a measure of AR quality?? I said "fit and finish" as it's known around here. And yes, it's no measure of quality. Perhaps you should understand what it is you're " " before you ""No need to be rude, Captains1911. I think what he interpreted "fit" to be was fit between the upper and lower (though a little play is not out of the ordinary), and fit between things like the LPK and the lower, the stock/pistol grip and the lower, the BCG and the upper. Completely understandable. "fit" on AR15.com is a term used to describe how tight the upper and lower fit together, and not the fitting and tolerances of parts in general. It's meaningless because a little to even "a lot" of play is normal and in most cases is even desirable, however some people try to give RRA undeserved credit simply because their uppers and lowers tend to fit tighter than other manufacturers, so tight that in some cases you need a punch to push the takedown and pivot pins out. As for the part about being rude, the newbie could have simply asked what I meant rather than implying that I'm an idiot with the " " symbol.
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Everything about Colt is better. And before somebody comes in with the "fit and finish" bullshit, that's irrelevant because "fit and finish" as it's known here isn't a measure of AR-15 quality. I voted Colt, but fit isnt a measure of AR quality?? I said "fit and finish" as it's known around here. And yes, it's no measure of quality. Perhaps you should understand what it is you're " " before you ""No need to be rude, Captains1911. I think what he interpreted "fit" to be was fit between the upper and lower (though a little play is not out of the ordinary), and fit between things like the LPK and the lower, the stock/pistol grip and the lower, the BCG and the upper. Completely understandable. "fit" on AR15.com is a term used to describe how tight the upper and lower fit together, and not the fitting and tolerances of parts in general. It's meaningless because a little to even "a lot" of play is normal and in most cases is even desirable, however some people try to give RRA undeserved credit simply because their uppers and lowers tend to fit tighter than other manufacturers, so tight that in some cases you need a punch to push the takedown and pivot pins out. As for the part about being rude, the newbie could have simply asked what I meant rather than implying that I'm an idiot with the " " symbol.Wow, so much controversy... I must have missed the page on here where normal self-explanatory words like "fit" have a different meaning on here than the rest of the world. I did not ask for clarification because your previous statement was rather clear, "fit and finish" is irrelevant and not a measure of quality. First off, I disagree on both aspects, although the finish is less significant. If a company cannot put a decent finish on a gun, not superb, or unbelievable, just decent, I am supposed to believe that they produce the rest of the gun to such a higher quality? But fit, if parts are fit too tight or too sloppy, it can will cause problems. We are talking about mechanical devices here. Saying as a broad statement that these things are irrelevant does not make sense to me hence the
We can just agree to disagree though 
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Everything about Colt is better. And before somebody comes in with the "fit and finish" bullshit, that's irrelevant because "fit and finish" as it's known here isn't a measure of AR-15 quality. I voted Colt, but fit isnt a measure of AR quality?? I said "fit and finish" as it's known around here. And yes, it's no measure of quality. Perhaps you should understand what it is you're " " before you ""No need to be rude, Captains1911. I think what he interpreted "fit" to be was fit between the upper and lower (though a little play is not out of the ordinary), and fit between things like the LPK and the lower, the stock/pistol grip and the lower, the BCG and the upper. Completely understandable. "fit" on AR15.com is a term used to describe how tight the upper and lower fit together, and not the fitting and tolerances of parts in general. It's meaningless because a little to even "a lot" of play is normal and in most cases is even desirable, however some people try to give RRA undeserved credit simply because their uppers and lowers tend to fit tighter than other manufacturers, so tight that in some cases you need a punch to push the takedown and pivot pins out. As for the part about being rude, the newbie could have simply asked what I meant rather than implying that I'm an idiot with the " " symbol.Wow, so much controversy... I must have missed the page on here where normal self-explanatory words like "fit" have a different meaning on here than the rest of the world. I did not ask for clarification because your previous statement was rather clear, "fit and finish" is irrelevant and not a measure of quality. First off, I disagree on both aspects, although the finish is less significant. If a company cannot put a decent finish on a gun, not superb, or unbelievable, just decent, I am supposed to believe that they produce the rest of the gun to such a higher quality? But fit, if parts are fit too tight or too sloppy, it can will cause problems. We are talking about mechanical devices here. Saying as a broad statement that these things are irrelevant does not make sense to me hence the
We can just agree to disagree though
You clearly have a reading comprehension issue. Did I make it easier? If you're suggesting that a loose upper and lower can will cause problems, then you are just wrong. Finish is more subjective, but the same fit and finish crowd seems to think that if the rifle doesn't have a perfect show room shine, then it's unaccpetbale. These are the same people that buy rifles, spend hundreds of $$ on parts and accessories they don't need, and then only pull their guns out once a month or so to take pics to post here. For those who use their guns finish is meaningless. |
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Colt all day long. I don't have one, but they are top of the line. You may also want to consider BCM or Spikes. Both are superior to RRA IMHO. Well, since you mentioned it, BCM > Colt OP, have you considered a Sabre Defense. Pretty good prices on them at PK firearms right now |
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I have 7 years of higher education, a college degree and a professional degree. Not bad for having a reading comprehension problem...
Sorry I do not succumb to the masses and start saying things that are incorrect or don't make sense, like fit on any gun is irrelevant. That is just spreading the misnomer. When I see people referring to something incorrectly, I try to correct them so they do not sound stupid or ignorant in the future. But then again, some people can't be corrected.... Anyone who checks how the fit on a gun is when considering it is dumb because it is irrelevant. Happy? 
ETA, Check out Merriam-Webster sometime. Fit, noun. Meaning: the degree of closeness between surfaces in an assemble of parts. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fit |
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Everything about Colt is better. And before somebody comes in with the "fit and finish" bullshit, that's irrelevant because "fit and finish" as it's known here isn't a measure of AR-15 quality. I voted Colt, but fit isnt a measure of AR quality?? I said "fit and finish" as it's known around here. And yes, it's no measure of quality. Perhaps you should understand what it is you're " " before you ""No need to be rude, Captains1911. I think what he interpreted "fit" to be was fit between the upper and lower (though a little play is not out of the ordinary), and fit between things like the LPK and the lower, the stock/pistol grip and the lower, the BCG and the upper. Completely understandable. "fit" on AR15.com is a term used to describe how tight the upper and lower fit together, and not the fitting and tolerances of parts in general. It's meaningless because a little to even "a lot" of play is normal and in most cases is even desirable, however some people try to give RRA undeserved credit simply because their uppers and lowers tend to fit tighter than other manufacturers, so tight that in some cases you need a punch to push the takedown and pivot pins out. As for the part about being rude, the newbie could have simply asked what I meant rather than implying that I'm an idiot with the " " symbol.Wow, so much controversy... I must have missed the page on here where normal self-explanatory words like "fit" have a different meaning on here than the rest of the world. I did not ask for clarification because your previous statement was rather clear, "fit and finish" is irrelevant and not a measure of quality. First off, I disagree on both aspects, although the finish is less significant. If a company cannot put a decent finish on a gun, not superb, or unbelievable, just decent, I am supposed to believe that they produce the rest of the gun to such a higher quality? But fit, if parts are fit too tight or too sloppy, it can will cause problems. We are talking about mechanical devices here. Saying as a broad statement that these things are irrelevant does not make sense to me hence the
We can just agree to disagree though
You clearly have a reading comprehension issue. Did I make it easier? If you're suggesting that a loose upper and lower can will cause problems, then you are just wrong. Finish is more subjective, but the same fit and finish crowd seems to think that if the rifle doesn't have a perfect show room shine, then it's unaccpetbale. These are the same people that buy rifles, spend hundreds of $$ on parts and accessories they don't need, and then only pull their guns out once a month or so to take pics to post here. For those who use their guns finish is meaningless. You don't have to be a jerk about it. Maybe some people like building/assembling rifles they think LOOK cool. That's okay. Just because it isn't your bag, doesn't make it any less viable as a hobby. You set the tone by indicating that HE was an idiot because he was a new guy. AND expected him to use a typical word as a "term of art" of this crazy forum. As for finish not mattering when you use your guns... I run my guns hard, so I ESPECIALLY want a good, tough finish. Why? Because it protects the metal underneath. The tougher the finish, the better it is protected. I don't want thin paint on my car, and I don't want crappy parkerizing on my barrel, and I don't want crappy anodizing on my aluminum parts. To keep on topic: Get what serves your needs and is within your budget. Do some research on other options as well. |
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I have 7 years of higher education, a college degree and a professional degree. Not bad for having a reading comprehension problem...
Sorry I do not succumb to the masses and start saying things that are incorrect or don't make sense, like fit on any gun is irrelevant. That is just spreading the misnomer. When I see people referring to something incorrectly, I try to correct them so they do not sound stupid or ignorant in the future. But then again, some people can't be corrected.... Anyone who checks how the "fit" on a gun is when considering it is dumb because it is irrelevant. Happy? If per chance you are referring to upper to lower fit then the poster you are arguing with is correct. It doesn't matter. I like my ARs to have a loose fit. RRA purposely makes out of spec uppers/lowers so they fit together too tightly. They market their guns this way because folks mistakenly believe that ARs need to fit this way "to be more accurate." Folks that don't step out of the box & explore what other AR makers are out there other than the standard names like RRA don't know any better. Not saying you are in this catagory but this tight fit crowd hangs out too much at the local gun shop helping to spread misinformation. |
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I can't believe 18 people have said they would pick RRA over Colt?
I like RRA but if we are talking M4 type carbine vs. M4 type carbine, you would have to be dumb to pick RRA over Colt (cost aside). That said, there are cases where an RRA would make more sense then a Colt such as.. If your into service rifle competitions and needed a new rifle, RRA's NM AR-15 is one of the top performers and the closest thing Colt has right now is the MT6700 which would not be very competitive. |
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I have 7 years of higher education, a college degree and a professional degree. Not bad for having a reading comprehension problem...
Sorry I do not succumb to the masses and start saying things that are incorrect or don't make sense, like fit on any gun is irrelevant. That is just spreading the misnomer. When I see people referring to something incorrectly, I try to correct them so they do not sound stupid or ignorant in the future. But then again, some people can't be corrected.... Anyone who checks how the "fit" on a gun is when considering it is dumb because it is irrelevant. Happy?
ETA, Check out Merriam-Webster sometime. Fit, noun. Meaning: the degree of closeness between surfaces in an assemble of parts. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fit Wow, you still aren't getting it. Either you are just refusing to read, especially the part that I put in BIG RED letters just for you, or you have a serious learning disability. Go back and read what i wrote about the definition of "fit" on this website, not what the dictionary says. Also, notice that whenever i use the word "fit" I put in it quotes. That should be a clue, something that a person as educated as you claim to be should pick up on. I'm through here. |
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I use to own a colt 8 years ago. Now I own two RRA's. Colt is just coolaid. RRA's QC is top notch. Heard great things aboiut their customer service but have sure never had to use it.  From the guy who got insulted because implied he was an idiot.
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Depends on what you are going to do with the gun. For a rifle that will be used for home defense, I'd pick Colt every time That said, my most accurate rifle happens to be a RRA 20" predator pursuit That rifle has an air gauged stainless steel match barrel - of course it is going to be accurate. Accuracy should not be the defining factor in choosing a firearm. Every firearm that I have fired, from hi-points to hammerlis, has been reasonably accurate. |
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lol, for a second I thought I posted this in GD. I just sgueezed the trigger (purchased) on a Colt 6920. I was leaning toward the Colt but I just wanted to see what the general consensus was on the RRA's. Thank you guys for the help and your opinions. What did expect when you post a Colt vs. XYZ question? You've been here since 9/09 & you haven't figured that out yet? |
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Depends on what you are going to do with the gun. For a rifle that will be used for home defense, I'd pick Colt every time That said, my most accurate rifle happens to be a RRA 20" predator pursuit That rifle has an air gauged stainless steel match barrel - of course it is going to be accurate. Accuracy should not be the defining factor in choosing a firearm.Every firearm that I have fired, from hi-points to hammerlis, has been reasonably accurate. We are not all door kickers. Some of us do actually hunt, and accuracy is pretty important. |
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lol, for a second I thought I posted this in GD. I just sgueezed the trigger (purchased) on a Colt 6920. I was leaning toward the Colt but I just wanted to see what the general consensus was on the RRA's. Thank you guys for the help and your opinions. What did expect when you post a Colt vs. XYZ question? You've been here since 9/09 & you haven't figured that out yet? no I failed at trying to lighten up the thread, everyone is super serious here. I knew what you meant. I was just saying. These Colt threads always end up the same way because certain members don't have any discipline. |
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The obvious answer is Colt. Obvious on paper, but to 99% of gun owners, the RRA is a better deal. I sell 6920s for $1300, I sell RRA M4s for $1000. Customer asks the usual questions. They both look the same, shoot the same cartridge, take the same magazines, accept the same accessories. customer - Which has a better warranty me - they both have life time warranties. customer - Which will be more reliable me - take care of them both, feed them both good ammo, and and they will both work fine. customer - How long before the barrel wears out? me - How often do you shoot? customer - 500rds a year (which is high for most shooters) me - both barrels will last your lifetime of ownership Customer - So what am I getting for the extra $300 me- "Colt" stamped on the side and much better resale value |
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Depends on what you are going to do with the gun. For a rifle that will be used for home defense, I'd pick Colt every time That said, my most accurate rifle happens to be a RRA 20" predator pursuit That rifle has an air gauged stainless steel match barrel - of course it is going to be accurate. Accuracy should not be the defining factor in choosing a firearm.Every firearm that I have fired, from hi-points to hammerlis, has been reasonably accurate. We are not all door kickers. Some of us do actually hunt, and accuracy is pretty important. Granted. 
For a hunting rifle, yes accuracy is incredibly important. However, for an M4 type carbine, I would say that it is less so. |
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Quoted: Quoted: The obvious answer is Colt. Obvious on paper, but to 99% of gun owners, the RRA is a better deal. I sell 6920s for $1300, I sell RRA M4s for $1000. Customer asks the usual questions. They both look the same, shoot the same cartridge, take the same magazines, accept the same accessories. customer - Which has a better warranty me - they both have life time warranties. customer - Which will be more reliable me - take care of them both, feed them both good ammo, and and they will both work fine. customer - How long before the barrel wears out? me - How often do you shoot? customer - 500rds a year (which is high for most shooters) me - both barrels will last your lifetime of ownership Customer - So what am I getting for the extra $300 me- "Colt" stamped on the side and much better resale value  I know you love your RRA, but you really shouldn't lie to your customers. There is a difference, and the difference should be up to the customer to decide if it's worth the couple hundred dollar difference. Do you make it a habit to make up your customers' minds for them? |
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I know you love your RRA, but you really shouldn't lie to your customers. There is a difference, and the difference should be up to the customer to decide if it's worth the couple hundred dollar difference. Do you make it a habit to make up your customers' minds for them? I encourage people to spend as much money as they want. Its more honesty than "sales". OK, I'll be the customer, you be the gun shop owner who has been selling retail firearms to the public for the last 10 years. My question, what does the $300 more I pay for the Colt get me over the RRA? |
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