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Posted: 8/21/2010 11:14:48 PM EDT
Seriously after putting a FF quad rail on my rifle I have noticed that I have a strange disgust for the rails. And only after putting covers on them do I like the look of the system. Furthermore, now I can't stand the sight of uncover rails at all. WTF is wrong with this picture? 
So do I just need a good smack in the head to set me back on the straight and narrow, or are there others in the world that feel the same??? 
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There is room for ALL oppinions, we have choices. I prefer the KISS rifle myself, but other rifles loaded down with gadgets seems to be OK with most people.
I have rails on one rifle, it sits in the safe more than the others. It does not bother me to see rails, it's not my personal choice to do this to my rifles. I keep'em simple and handy, I don't do house clearing- I just shoot paper and metal. |
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Quoted: Don't like rails but there is no way around it. Lights, lasers (IR and visible) and grip pod needs to go somewhere... And this is where the MOE handguard would come in to play for most people. I personally think the standard handguard, the MOE, and quad rails are all ugly I'm a fan of the VTAC  |
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You aren't going to marry your rifle so who gives a flip if you like the way it looks? You should be more concerned with how it works, then how it looks. Do you go on the Stanley forum and complain about the look of their hammers? Sometimes I just gotta sit back and laugh at some of the threads and replies I read on the internet.
Don't mean to sound rude, I haven't had my coffee yet. NCH |
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is something wrong with me? If you were seriously asking that question on an Internet forum then I would say yes! 
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Seriously after putting a FF quad rail on my rifle I have noticed that I have a strange disgust for the rails. That is somewhat normal. I felt that same way a few years back when I tried them for the first time (just 'cause everybody else was) and I hated them. But that was because I really didn't have a legitimate need or use for them back then and at the time, most rails were big and heavy. I later realized the value in a dedicated weapon light and how a VFG can help plus new rails that were much lighter and thinner came out and everything changed for me. Now I don't have an AR without a rail. Quoted:
And only after putting covers on them do I like the look of the system. Furthermore, now I can't stand the sight of uncover rails at all. WTF is wrong with this picture? Well if your only reason for not liking them is looks then you are a
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So do I just need a good smack in the head to set me back on the straight and narrow, or are there others in the world that feel the same??? Even if there are others who feel the same way, that doesn't mean you're still not a
Seriously, which rail did you go with? That may be a big part of the problem? There are some rails out there that I don't know how anybody could like? |
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There is room for ALL oppinions, we have choices. I prefer the KISS rifle myself, but other rifles loaded down with gadgets seems to be OK with most people. I have rails on one rifle, it sits in the safe more than the others. It does not bother me to see rails, it's not my personal choice to do this to my rifles. I keep'em simple and handy, I don't do house clearing- I just shoot paper and metal. Same here. I only have one AR with MI quad rails that accomodate a light mount and vfg and I'm currently debating on keeping this setup or trading it for a MOE handguard. It's just so frigging front heavy. 
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| I, like others here, don't really see the need for a 4-rail handguard. How much of those 4 sides are really used? How much extra weight does that rifle have because of it? The handguard systems out now that allow you to mount short sections of rail where needed seem (to me) to be the best of both worlds. You get the space to mount accessories where needed without the weight penality. |
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I, like others here, don't really see the need for a 4-rail handguard. How much of those 4 sides are really used? How much extra weight does that rifle have because of it? The handguard systems out now that allow you to mount short sections of rail where needed seem (to me) to be the best of both worlds. You get the space to mount accessories where needed without the weight penality. Yup |
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You could always go with daniel defense lite rails. I forget who but awhile ago someone weighed 7 inch DD lite rails and standard carbine handguards and the DD rails were LIGHTER
I like the Idea of the MOE, they just need to get their rifle and midlength out and I think they will get really popular. |
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I, like others here, don't really see the need for a 4-rail handguard. How much of those 4 sides are really used? How much extra weight does that rifle have because of it? The handguard systems out now that allow you to mount short sections of rail where needed seem (to me) to be the best of both worlds. You get the space to mount accessories where needed without the weight penality. Grip, light, mouting optics further forward into the top quad rail, mouting a sling swivel attachment point on the left rail.....I use all 4 sides. Having just the plasitc handguards takes the platform back to the 60's in my opinion. I think everyone should have a rail. |
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I have alot of real world experince with m16s & m4s pre rail and post rail in jungle mountian, pine forest and deserts.
Rails only have one purpose to mount a ZEROED ir laser onto. The older early 1990 ir lasers were so big that the operator needed a VFG to hold the and aim the weapon. Since the rails were first issued other accessories of dubious value have been added. I dislike rails for the most part.....with that said my m4 and a4 clone wear them. Rails add weight and change the balance of the rifle. Often for no real advantage. Getting to the covers...One of the things I find most important in a rifle is smooth snag free surfaces. Rails ruin this. If you don't think this is pf paramount importnace walk thru a local draw or hedge or climb a barb wire fence with your rifle. The draw monster is real. The rails must be covered because it reduces surfaces that will snag on wires, vines, twigs, ect.... ladders also do not do as good a job here as KAC rail covers. |
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I would rather have the ability the rails provide and not need them, then to need them and have nothing but plastic. The extra weight isn't a issue with me. I am one of the strange people who prefer HBars. But that is what is so great about the AR platform, you can have it just the way you like it.
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I use the ladder type rail covers they are less bulky and they feel & look better I like to the look and 'sticky' feel of Ergo ladder covers on DD Literails...... mmmmmmm...... perfection 
I have KAC panels and TD panels and hate the 'fat' feel they give FF quads. Anyone? |
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So do I just need a good smack in the head to set me back on the straight and narrow, or are there others in the world that feel the same??? You seriously think you need to go on an internet forum to get permission to have your own likes and dislikes? No, I was more wandering if I was the only one who didn't like the look of rails. I have yet to meet one person (in person) that didn't think rails and millions of gadgets weren't the coolest things ever.
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You aren't going to marry your rifle so who gives a flip if you like the way it looks? You should be more concerned with how it works, then how it looks. Do you go on the Stanley forum and complain about the look of their hammers? Sometimes I just gotta sit back and laugh at some of the threads and replies I read on the internet. Don't mean to sound rude, I haven't had my coffee yet. NCH Well, truth be told looks were kinda an afterthought. I needed something to mount my AFG and light, free floating the bbl was just a plus. It wasn't until I had everything mounted that I noticed how ugly it was. |
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Rails add weight and change the balance of the rifle. Often for no real advantage. That use to be 100% true and why I hated rails too but that is no longer the case. My M4 carbine with DD Omega 7.0 rail is no heavier or less balanced now then it was with standard plastic handguards installed. The Omega comes with built in sling points perfectly located for tactical 2 point slings. It's FF design improves accuracy (at least in theory). It's monolithic design increases sight mounting location options and on top of all that it makes mounting accessories like weapon lights, lasers and VFG much easier. It's also rock solid unlike most plastic handguards that will loosen up over time. With ladder type rail protectors it's thinner in the hand then with the standard M4 HG's but with KAC or similar type panels, it feels just about the same as M4 HG's. Like I said, I use to think rails where stupid but now I can't think if a good reason not to install one |
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I have the same problem after railing up I find myself lusting after pics of KISS's; the lean, clean, all business look of a carbine with just an Aimpoint and it's original M4 or CAR handguard with maybe a GG&G rail chip and light tucked discretely on the side.
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| Good rails are pricey. I have a midlength that I may consider putting a Larue 9.0 on eventually, but for the time being it works great with the normal handguards. I'm not sure how much benefit I'll really get from a FF rail, especially since I don't have anything to mount except a sling point and a light. GGG's SLiC Thing (or whatever its called) works really well for a sling and light mount, and attaches to the FSB. |
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