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1/14/2010 10:32:58 AM EDT
Looking to buy my first AR-15. I was looking at a Bushmaster A3 16" barrel from a local dealer near me for around $975. But i was also looking at a DPMS Panther AR-15 A3 16" barrel for $699. But thats online so, $699 + $30 shipping + $50 FFL Transfer, so total roughly $780.

How does the DPMS Panther match up against the Bushmaster? Is it a good gun?
1/14/2010 10:36:22 AM EDT
[#1]
Save up a little for colt 6920 , or get a rock river either one would be great , but dpms over bushy in my opinion bushmaster = barrel indexing problems, purple anodizing on receivers , and lousy/nonexistent customer service that was then this is now those things may have changed.
1/14/2010 10:50:00 AM EDT
[#2]
Quoted:
Save up a little for colt 6920 , or get a rock river either one would be great , but dpms over bushy in my opinion bushmaster = barrel indexing problems, purple anodizing on receivers , and lousy/nonexistent customer service that was then this is now those things may have changed.


How many Bushmasters have you owned?

I have two Bushmaster uppers and they've both run flawless after many thousands of rounds and hard use in a couple of classes. I"ve also used two other Bushmaster uppers for builds I've done for friends. Both of those guys have also had great luck with theirs as well. They got a bad rep several years ago when they had a few problems but they're fine now and have been for awhile.

1/14/2010 10:57:46 AM EDT
[#3]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Save up a little for colt 6920 , or get a rock river either one would be great , but dpms over bushy in my opinion bushmaster = barrel indexing problems, purple anodizing on receivers , and lousy/nonexistent customer service that was then this is now those things may have changed.


How many Bushmasters have you owned?

I have two Bushmaster uppers and they've both run flawless after many thousands of rounds and hard use in a couple of classes. I"ve also used two other Bushmaster uppers for builds I've done for friends. Both of those guys have also had great luck with theirs as well. They got a bad rep several years ago when they had a few problems but they're fine now and have been for awhile.



personally never owned any but I used to shoot with a group of guys and have seen most of the problems with my own eyes cant run from the facts
1/14/2010 11:00:13 AM EDT
[#4]
Read up, get whatever floats your boat and doesn't sink your budget, get out and shoot(safely) and report back!
1/14/2010 11:17:42 AM EDT
[#5]
OP you are going to get a huge variety of opinions on your question.

I have owned or own Colt, RRA, Bushmaster as well as built guns from various parts suppliers.

First thing is what are you going to use it for? If like most of us you will be target shooting and maybe giving the coyotes hell, either DPMS or the BM will do nicely. If you plan on killing afgans with it you need to think BCM or Colt.

There are a bunch of cool aid drinkers here who will try to convince you that their way is the only way. Not all ARs are created equal and you do get what you pay for, but unless you are going to be using it for professional reasons you will probably never see the difference.




1/14/2010 11:23:55 AM EDT
[#6]
Quoted:
OP you are going to get a huge variety of opinions on your question.
I have owned or own Colt, RRA, Bushmaster as well as built guns from various parts suppliers.
First thing is what are you going to use it for? If like most of us you will be target shooting and maybe giving the coyotes hell, either DPMS or the BM will do nicely. If you plan on killing afgans with it you need to think BCM or Colt.
There are a bunch of cool aid drinkers here who will try to convince you that their way is the only way. Not all ARs are created equal and you do get what you pay for, but unless you are going to be using it for professional reasons you will probably never see the difference.



Very well put

Mikey
Find another FFL, $50.00 is a little high.... The FFL's I use are 20-25 dollars. That will save you a little for an extra mag, grip, etc............
Just my 2 cent
1/14/2010 11:42:28 AM EDT
[#7]
Cool thanks for all the feedback.. Mostly i will be target shooting. Ive been reading alot on the two and ive read the good and the bad on both. And few people say they pretty much equal out the same.
1/14/2010 11:56:01 AM EDT
[#8]
Quoted:
Save up a little for colt 6920 , or get a rock river either one would be great , but dpms over bushy in my opinion bushmaster = barrel indexing problems, purple anodizing on receivers , and lousy/nonexistent customer service that was then this is now those things may have changed.


Ok 6920 I can see.

But DPMS over Bushmaster?

You'd rather have a improperly drilled gas port or tight chamber than a simple index issue which is easy to fix?

In my 14 years of dealing with Bushmaster I've never had a customer service issue with them.  
1/14/2010 11:57:15 AM EDT
[#9]
RRA or Colts are not that much more like said above and you will be happier in the long run with them.
1/14/2010 12:27:35 PM EDT
[#10]
Just sucks being in crapy NY, there are so many good deals on some nice AR's online. Cant buy them though cuase most have the collapsible stock.. NY sucks
1/14/2010 12:40:22 PM EDT
[#11]
I'd get in on the DSA deal before I would buy a DPMS or a Bushmaster.  At least you would save some money.

For what you would spend on a Bushmaster you could have a BCM.
1/14/2010 12:45:10 PM EDT
[#12]
My bushmaster that is a little over a year old has been great.  has a chromed bolt and bcg.  My gas key and castle nut were both actually properly staked.  I got the one with the 14.5" m4 barrel and it is 4150 steel.  So the only thing not really milspec about the gun is the commercial buffer tube.  I dont see anything wrong with the newer bushies.
1/14/2010 12:51:37 PM EDT
[#13]
Quoted:
My bushmaster that is a little over a year old has been great.  has a chromed bolt and bcg.  My gas key and castle nut were both actually properly staked.  I got the one with the 14.5" m4 barrel and it is 4150 steel.  So the only thing not really milspec about the gun is the commercial buffer tube.  I dont see anything wrong with the newer bushies.


I agree on all accounts. My extended feedramps are also flawless.

I realize that ARFCOM is swinging from Bravo Company's nuts right now and I personally would really llike to own one of their midlengths someday, but I have no regrets with my Bushy uppers.


1/14/2010 12:55:09 PM EDT
[#14]
$50 for a transfer, eeeeks!  Call around, I did and my transfers are $15 cash $20 credit card.  Also, do not buy DPMS, I did in the past and had nothing but big problems.
1/14/2010 12:57:09 PM EDT
[#15]
A used Bushmaster is much easier to sell than a used DPMS. This is something to take into consideration, IMHO.

( I own both, for what it's worth. )
1/14/2010 1:01:08 PM EDT
[#16]
I have never fired a dpms but I do l.ike my ol mans bushy.  Although he probably hasn't fired enough rounds out of it ( maybe a hundred or so).  So it's not even broken in.  I personally would rather have a double star for that low amount of money.  I think they are great guns for the price.
1/14/2010 1:04:50 PM EDT
[#17]
The few doublestar stuff that i have own has been flawless.  My drop in carbine rail especially.  It does not move one bit
1/14/2010 1:05:46 PM EDT
[#18]
Quoted:
$50 for a transfer, eeeeks!  Call around, I did and my transfers are $15 cash $20 credit card.  Also, do not buy DPMS, I did in the past and had nothing but big problems.



Yeah thats the lower priced guy too lol.. had another guy tell me $75
1/14/2010 1:28:58 PM EDT
[#19]
I'd get the bushmaster over the dpms.

Quoted:
OP you are going to get a huge variety of opinions on your question.
I have owned or own Colt, RRA, Bushmaster as well as built guns from various parts suppliers.
First thing is what are you going to use it for? If like most of us you will be target shooting and maybe giving the coyotes hell, either DPMS or the BM will do nicely. If you plan on killing afgans with it you need to think BCM or Colt.
There are a bunch of cool aid drinkers here who will try to convince you that their way is the only way. Not all ARs are created equal and you do get what you pay for, but unless you are going to be using it for professional reasons you will probably never see the difference.



He summed it up well. For cheaper rifles I'd look at stag, rra, smith and wesson, and some others that people will chime in with as well. If you can find a colt 6920 for a good price(not sure what the ny laws are so I'm guessing it would need some work to be legal) it will hold a higher resell value and be a better gun. For basic range use I don't think you will see a difference.
1/14/2010 1:38:57 PM EDT
[#20]
Quoted:
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How does the DPMS Panther match up against the Bushmaster? Is it a good gun?


In my experience the Bushmaster is the better rifle, less likely to have issues.

However, if you're only looking at occasional plinking and informal target shooting the DPMS will serve you fine.

I must be blind as I didn't notice you're from NY - so that removes the 6920 from your options, but you could get the AWB legal equivalent the Colt MT6400C which is as close as Colt gets to a AWB compliant 6920.

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