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Posted: 11/20/2009 11:57:44 PM EDT
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I was reading a guns mag the other month or so.
The tech area of it had new products that were coming out. One was a led round counter that mounted on the top of a weapons flattop rail. Anyone know who manufacturers it? |
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Countashot costs $359.00, this includes the Countashot unit, IR dongle, manual and warranty, CD with software drivers and an electronic version of the manual.
Sales tax at 5% is applicable in Virginia. Shipping is $8.00 via UPS Ground, delivery time is one to five days. What a waste of money and rail space. |
| And its not fool proof..what if you simply reload with say a few rounds left in the old mag its just gonna keep counting until it reaches its default number and then start counting down again giving you the wrong ammount of ammo left in the fresh mag because the system operates off of shots fired and not mag changes.....it is useless for sure. |
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Come on you guys, let's think it through a little more completely.
A setup like this. RED LEDs flush mount in the side of the receiver, set to a default 30 (or 28 for downloaded USGI mags) for your PMags. Auto re-set when you change mags, but it would count down your ammo supply. Wasn't the "ALIEN" series showing "caseless" rifles with this feature? |
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Somebody actually built and is marketing this....  |
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Countashot costs $359.00 for 400.00 i'll just rely on the bolt locking back
i might can see this for a demo or testing gun where you want to know exact numbers, but for the general shooter it's useless. imho You miss the purpose for this device entirely, and no, YOU don't need one. |
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The idea might be worthwhile for about 15 bucks, but no way for 360.
I am lazy, and I would find it convenient to have a machine keep track of how many total rounds have gone down my barrel, but for that price I'll just stick with the old method of counting the empty ammo boxes (or just guesstimating). I also do loose track of how many rounds are left in a mag sometimes when doing fast paced drills, but again for that price I'm happy to do a few unnecessary tac-reloads. I wonder if I could get a similar effect by just taping one of those 3 dollar pedometers they sell at fitness stores to the side of my rifle. [EDIT] After watching the video, the thing probably does have 300 bucks worth of features packed into it, but it still seems excessive unless you are really into micromanaging your shooting experience. Maybe it's useful for really serious competition shooters, or organizations that want to keep ultra tight accounting of how their weapons are used. The video was clearly aimed at the civilian market however. [/EDIT] |
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I use it when I'm also using my iPod attachment mount.
Works in conjunction with the awesome visual app that shows a stack of cartridges, and one round disappears for each shot fired. Really helpful when I candy-stripe my mags with tracer, ball, incendiary and AP. That way I have an instant visual reference for what kind of round is coming up next. 
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If you need one of these then all you really need is more training. And yet the people that ASKED for them are the SOCOM armorers. As someone pointed out earlier this is for a military requirement (one that has been out there for YEARS) so proper preventative mainenance can be conducted at established intervals. For the average AR owner with only a few rifles it should not be needed. For the above average AR owner with several rifles, hopefully he is smart enough to have a log book for each firearm so this won't be needed. |
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Hey I'm all for cool useless gadgets. There was once a time when D cell mag lights were hose clamped to MP5s, look what technology can provide.
I wouldn't pay $300 for it, but I'm sure there is already someone working on a smaller/cheaper/better version. This is just a stepping stone to a set up like all those sci-fi movies. |
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two of my shooting friends have these, one of them has one on his registered m4 and the other on his sniping platform, the other guy has it on his 3 gun rifle.
it's actually pretty neat watching count down the rounds during a full-auto mag dump, really halo 3 or aliens! he got them because he has a lot of $$ in his guns and really needs to know what is going through them. on the 3 gun platform, it is used as a round timer so when he downloads the data he can see his split times to 1/100 of a second and also during the stages, he knows exactly what's in his mag, if he needs to drop the mag with ammo still in it and reload with a full mag he just hits the button on the top and the counter returns to the default setting. really, they are for a military or le application as the requirement has been around for some time. not sure whether i'll get one or not but i am interested. one last thing, as the data is incorruptable, if you have a kaboom you'll know right away whether it was ammo of firearm related. |
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If you need one of these then all you really need is more training. And yet the people that ASKED for them are the SOCOM armorers. As someone pointed out earlier this is for a military requirement (one that has been out there for YEARS) so proper preventative mainenance can be conducted at established intervals. For the average AR owner with only a few rifles it should not be needed. For the above average AR owner with several rifles, hopefully he is smart enough to have a log book for each firearm so this won't be needed. +1 Your point is illustrated here Looks like Crane has taken it to the next level an then some! |
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If you need one of these then all you really need is more training. And yet the people that ASKED for them are the SOCOM armorers. As someone pointed out earlier this is for a military requirement (one that has been out there for YEARS) so proper preventative mainenance can be conducted at established intervals. For the average AR owner with only a few rifles it should not be needed. For the above average AR owner with several rifles, hopefully he is smart enough to have a log book for each firearm so this won't be needed. +1 Your point is illustrated here Looks like Crane has taken it to the next level an then some! Right now they only count rounds but I have read about units that with not only date and time stamp but location stamp via GPS. I'm very conservative when it comes to technology and tend to stop and think more about the cons- how can this get used against me, than the pros. Too many lawyers in this world..... Aside from that I don't want anything more hanging on my rifle. |
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Right now they only count rounds but I have read about units that with not only date and time stamp but location stamp via GPS. I'm very conservative when it comes to technology and tend to stop and think more about the cons- how can this get used against me, than the pros. Too many lawyers in this world..... Aside from that I don't want anything more hanging on my rifle. I'm with you, I don't want one on MY rifles. But I can see their use in large armories (like .MIl and LEO have) . |
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Right now they only count rounds but I have read about units that with not only date and time stamp but location stamp via GPS. I'm very conservative when it comes to technology and tend to stop and think more about the cons- how can this get used against me, than the pros. Too many lawyers in this world..... Aside from that I don't want anything more hanging on my rifle. I'm with you, I don't want one on MY rifles. But I can see their use in large armories (like .MIl and LEO have) . interesting point guys but it works both ways, if you are accused of something the counter could either be your get out of jail free card or evidence against you. if you think about the blackwater incident at nisour square, if the guys had this sort of technology on their weapons it would settle any questions once an for all. i can see it being very useful for the le community in avoiding lawsuits. the countashot as i understand it from my colleague, records in the data log when it was turned on and when it was turned off although all of the functions can be enabled/dissabled as required. you can't do this at the user level. |
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What if someone is shooting next to you does it count theirs too? no, it doesn't work by sound, according to the company literature, it detects shots by using accelerometers working in three axis and compares the signal to one stored in its memory of an actual shot or a "true shot" as they put it. we were shooting a couple of rifles close to each other and it didn't pick up anything from the other weapons. |
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