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Posted: 10/8/2009 6:39:13 PM EDT
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i have a cmmc ar with a 16inch barrel, flat top rail and a collapsible stock. i bought it about a year ago.
i would like to shoot .22lr when i train but am woundering if it's better to get a upper for .22Lr or a conversion kit. so what is the better way to go. a kit or a full upper? i'm thinking i could get the .22 upper then a 308 upper and my reg sized upper and i would be really no mater the need. |
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i have a cmmc ar with a 16inch barrel, flat top rail and a collapsible stock. i bought it about a year ago. i would like to shoot .22lr when i train but am woundering if it's better to get a upper for .22Lr or a conversion kit. so what is the better way to go. a kit or a full upper? i'm thinking i could get the .22 upper then a 308 upper and my reg sized upper and i would be really no mater the need. I like the conversion kits. I can use the exact same rifle and optic. I don't know what you mean about the 308 upper though. You'd need a 308 lower also, so that would be a whole new rifle. |
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The .22LR conversion is great for practice. Sure it isn't too great for benchrest practice but for trigger control and shooting standing it is more that accurate enough, IMO. I was shooting at 20 oz bottles at 100 yards the other day from a standing position and was having fairly good luck. |
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I would really like a dedicated .22 rifle, but every time I look at that $600 price tag for just the upper my wallet slams itself closed.
I use my .22 AR for plinking. I studied this at the range and realized we were using a lot of our practice time shooting on the 25 and 50 yard lines. At those ranges my .223 upper with a .22 conversion kit was deadly on pop can sized targets. I have a .22 target rifle and just can't see spending the $600 for a tin can rifle. Now, that said, I know there are others who will say the dedicated is more accurate and that is what they are looking for. Peace be with them, enjoy your upper. If I want to target shoot, I will get my target gun. At the Knob Creek shoot today I was pricing out some possibilities. A .22 AR barrel....just the barrel, was $225. Then you have to buy adapter for the .22 conversion bolt ($35), the hand guards, the front sight, flash hider/muzzle brake, etc. WOW it adds up fast. For what Model 1 wanted for just a .22 barrel and adapter, I went over to DSA and bought a complete assembled .223 M4 upper. (sans bolt) I will just drop the conversion kit into it when I want .22 shooting. |
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if you fire a s*** load of .22 out of your barrel will it have noticable wear to the barrel, thats my only concern with the kits. I don't think it will hurt the barrel at all. However, you do need to put a few .223 rounds through it to clean out the gas tube and take the leading out of the barrel when you're done with the .22. (So I have been told. I don't know if this is just a myth, or something that actually needs to be done.) If you plan on doing a lot of .22, most kits come with a plug for the gas block, and you just take out the gas tube. |
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OK, i'm thinking the kit would be better.
my department requires me to pass a qaul. test on the AR every year but no training other then 5 minutes before the test. so i use my AR for getting ready for training. i.e. trigger pull, stance, tactics, and things like getting the mag change right. |
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OK, i'm thinking the kit would be better. my department requires me to pass a qaul. test on the AR every year but no training other then 5 minutes before the test. so i use my AR for getting ready for training. i.e. trigger pull, stance, tactics, and things like getting the mag change right. If you're going to put a conversion in a duty weapon I would go with the dedicated upper. |
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i have a cmmc ar with a 16inch barrel, flat top rail and a collapsible stock. i bought it about a year ago. i would like to shoot .22lr when i train but am woundering if it's better to get a upper for .22Lr or a conversion kit. so what is the better way to go. a kit or a full upper? i'm thinking i could get the .22 upper then a 308 upper and my reg sized upper and i would be really no mater the need. I don't believe any of the 308's will fit a standard lower so thats out.Olympic claims to make some other caliber uppers but they are rare . I myself use a Ceiner drop in but the main reason is I own several different uppers and like the ability to use the 22 in them all. 1/7 will shoot reasonably accurate but generally a 1/9 is the better choice.At 100yds with standard velocity match ammo my 1/8 RRNM upper will beat out any of my 1/9 uppers |
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OK, i'm thinking the kit would be better. my department requires me to pass a qaul. test on the AR every year but no training other then 5 minutes before the test. so i use my AR for getting ready for training. i.e. trigger pull, stance, tactics, and things like getting the mag change right. If you're going to put a conversion in a duty weapon I would go with the dedicated upper. I'm curious why? A duty qual is usually 100 yards or under (assuming duty is police and not military). Both are going to give you the same function. Neither is going to have the capability to use the bolt catch. So it's the same in that aspect. I'd go with the conversion but, would zero with duty .223/5.56 first and leave it alone. The .22 is going to have a drop (about 6" give or take at 100 yards), but knowing this, it will accomplish what the OP wants as far as familiarity. I'd prefer to use the same upper with the same accessories rather than switching to something that is different (lights, sling mounts, sights, etc.). It's cheaper, too. |
| OP: Are you going to be shooting .22lr on duty should the need arise or qual with it? If not, then I wouldn't spend money on something that's not going to replicate what you're using for qual or carrying on duty if you're ever involved in a OIS. Why not train with 5.56/.223, whatever you're issued? |
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OP: Are you going to be shooting .22lr on duty should the need arise or qual with it? If not, then I wouldn't spend money on something that's not going to replicate what you're using for qual or carrying on duty if you're ever involved in a OIS. Why not train with 5.56/.223, whatever you're issued? the ar that i whant to shoot 22lr with is my personal weapon. the department (corrections) does not let us take the department weapons home or train with them other then once a year. but if i whant to keep my current position i need to pass the qual that same time. (i work in the tower) i whant to shoot .22 lr so i can train more on my personal budget and time. here .22 is way cheaper then .223 (when you can find .223) thanks for the help guys |
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