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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Why Colt?... Seriously. (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 7/14/2009 11:36:33 AM EDT
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Sorry in advance for this being a "wordy" post but here goes..........
OK, First... I've owned AR15 style rifles since the mid 80's. Probably the first 2 or 3 were Colt. But mostly because they were really "the only game in town" and having been a Jarhead I was most comfortable with that brand. Fast-Forward to today. There are many makers of AR's and they pretty much all have interchangeable parts. I've been posting here for a relatively short time but I do have a fair amount of firearms knowledge in general and I've been around firearms all my life. Including some time in the Marine Corps. I am genuinely curious why Colt is considered to be the "best" AR by many of you. And I'd really like hard facts about things like manufacturing or materials rather than: "Because they're the original" or "They just are". Ya see, I've exposed a few nerves among the good people here by suggesting that there may be better AR's out there. For that I am Sorry! Granted, I don't have an engineering degree, nor do I have a degree in metallurgy. But I find it hard to believe that most of the other makers out there are using sub-standard materials that won't last or haven't tested their weapons as extensively as Colt has. I know Colt has years and years of time behind their AR but I'd think the results of that history would be public knowledge and available to every manufacturer out there. I'm not trying to piss anyone off here. Just trying to get an education. I've searched online and have done searches here but I only find dribs and drabs of reasons sprinkled in different posts. I understand there's some sort of "chart" somewhere but haven't been able to search it out. It's probably right under my nose and I'm too stupid to see it. Anyway, that may help me. Thanks in advance. John |
| IMHO, Colt is a fine rifle, but , there are many fine rifles now available. All of mine are Sabres, but I started with a Colt many years ago. I feel it's a pay your money and take your choice. Hell I would have Colts except the Sabre's were so reasonable to build. Spent less and feel I have as quality a rifle as a Colt... |
| I'm not trying to be an asshole, but if there are 5 topics on this every week and you havent found the information you want yet, what makes you think you will get it now? Good intentions or not, this will not end how you want it. If you do a search, it is easy to find facts about colt quality, but most of it is passed off as opinion. I see this alot when the likes of CTbuilder, FMJoe, and a few others post facts on Colt quality only to be called fanboys or kool-aid drinkers. Best of luck. |
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Are you in the market for a new AR?
The reason I choose to buy Colts is pretty simple. I have yet to be disappointed. All of the Colts I have purchased have been reliable and reasonably accurate. I have had other brands of ARs, and I have had my share of bad experiences. I suppose one way to look at it is (particularly if you are looking to purchase a weapon): Why NOT a Colt? I can think of several pros and cons about Colts. Cost, availability, and limited features are negatives. Reliability, quality, and resale value are positives. For me the cost difference was not enough for me to NOT buy Colts. |
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You won't find facts with this post, sorry, just an observation.
I don't think that Colt is necessarily "the best" but I do think it's "the standard." Colt has been doing it "right" for years now without much change. I think BCM, Noveske, Sabre, etc all put out great products and many will say they are as good if not better than Colt, but there has to be a measuring stick somewhere and Colt happens to be it. The best? Maybe, maybe not, but they've got a reputation for putting out a well built product. |
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I'm not trying to be an asshole, but if there are 5 topics on this every week and you havent found the information you want yet, what makes you think you will get it now? Good intentions or not, this will not end how you want it. If you do a search, it is easy to find facts about colt quality, but most of it is passed off as opinion. I see this alot when the likes of CTbuilder, FMJoe, and a few others post facts on Colt quality only to be called fanboys or kool-aid drinkers. Best of luck. It's OK, they can call me whatever they want. 
I know my 6920 is just about the best I can buy, so is my new all BCM mid-length. 
P.S. Don't you have a Noveske? How do you like it? I'm thinking about a Noveske SBR upper. |
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Famous ar15 chart from The High Road 
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Are you looking for this : Famous ar15 chart from The High Road http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/gotm4/chart.jpg That chart is all kinds of outdated. The chart is continually updated and kept on Google Documents.
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Are you looking for this : Famous ar15 chart from The High Road http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/gotm4/chart.jpg That chart is all kinds of outdated. The chart is continually updated and kept on Google Documents. which is what i already provided a link for |
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Quoted: Quoted: Are you looking for this : Famous ar15 chart from The High Road http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/gotm4/chart.jpg That chart is all kinds of outdated. The chart is continually updated and kept on Google Documents. http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pwswheghNQsEuEhjFwPrgTA&hl=en |
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snip It's OK, they can call me whatever they want.
I know my 6920 is just about the best I can buy, so is my new all BCM mid-length.
P.S. Don't you have a Noveske? How do you like it? I'm thinking about a Noveske SBR upper. Yeah I have a Noveske low-pro carbine upper with a pof lower. I absolutely love it. But I just bought a KAC SR15 too so my shooting time gets split between the two. BTW...I got my BCM lower too, but its mated with my Spike's .22 upper right now. I ran out of money to make my complete BCM middy  I would definitely recommend a Noveske upper. It would be a nice addition to the Colt and BCM
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snip It's OK, they can call me whatever they want.
I know my 6920 is just about the best I can buy, so is my new all BCM mid-length.
P.S. Don't you have a Noveske? How do you like it? I'm thinking about a Noveske SBR upper. Yeah I have a Noveske low-pro carbine upper with a pof lower. I absolutely love it. But I just bought a KAC SR15 too so my shooting time gets split between the two. BTW...I got my BCM lower too, but its mated with my Spike's .22 upper right now. I ran out of money to make my complete BCM middy I would definitely recommend a Noveske upper. It would be a nice addition to the Colt and BCMYou will LOVE that all BCM midlength when it's done.  You and Jeep297 with your Spike's .22 uppers...I need one badly for cheap practice.
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I'm not trying to be an asshole, but if there are 5 topics on this every week and you havent found the information you want yet, what makes you think you will get it now? Good intentions or not, this will not end how you want it. If you do a search, it is easy to find facts about colt quality, but most of it is passed off as opinion. I see this alot when the likes of CTbuilder, FMJoe, and a few others post facts on Colt quality only to be called fanboys or kool-aid drinkers. Best of luck. This. The difference in why Colt is so highly regarded has been posted MANY times. I would not call it the "best" because I would but KAC, Noveske, BCM, and a few others up there with them, but they are the standard by which all others are judged and you know the quality you are going to get which is among the best in the entire industry. Combine that with the experience they have making them and you have one of the best made ARs out there. |
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Even that chart is out of date. E.g., Bushmaster and Armalite have upgraded their barrel metal, and BM now does 1/7 twist barrels, I do believe.
In addition, something as non-quantitative as "quality control" or "customer service" can go up or down within one company and may not make it on a chart. I think that Armalite has good CS and QC, for example, being a smaller company, and that may be worth more than parkerizing under the FSB in a rifle I have to send back for barrel timing.... And I would rather have a hand-lapped top of the line 1/9 twist barrel than a cheaper 1/7 twist barrel. i think the list of top tier companies is bigger than most people suspect. In addition, the difference between a top tier and 2nd tier firearm is not very much. |
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You will LOVE that all BCM midlength when it's done.
You and Jeep297 with your Spike's .22 uppers...I need one badly for cheap practice. Yeah they are a blast. You should have seen when we took them to the range a few weeks ago (Jeep is my brother). There was this kid(14 or 15 years old) shooting in the lane next to us with what looked like an m44 nagant. You should have seen his face when we pulled out our spike's uppers. His eyes were as big as plates and he just stared at them. We have the ones with the specter rail and fake can, so he must have though they were suppressed. We let him shoot one of them a few times and he was shaking like a leaf the whole time . It is pretty refreshing to be able to do a mag dump for less than a buck
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Even that chart is out of date. E.g., Bushmaster and Armalite have upgraded their barrel metal, and BM now does 1/7 twist barrels, I do believe. In addition, something as non-quantitative as "quality control" or "customer service" can go up or down within one company and may not make it on a chart. I think that Armalite has good CS and QC, for example, being a smaller company, and that may be worth more than parkerizing under the FSB in a rifle I have to send back for barrel timing.... And I would rather have a hand-lapped top of the line 1/9 twist barrel than a cheaper 1/7 twist barrel. i think the list of top tier companies is bigger than most people suspect. In addition, the difference between a top tier and 2nd tier firearm is not very much. BM still uses 1/9 on their complete rifles, and Armalite said they didn't change their steel they believe 4140 is just fine for civilian use. |
| I think you can get a 1/7 from BM, which is now 4150 with M4 ramps on everything, and Armalite has upgraded to a mil-spec CMV, though not to 4150, and has M4 ramps on everything. But the point is that there are a lot of good rifles out there, and the difference between many of them is small and shrinking daily. Some companies have had growing pains. Others have changed to meet market demands. But the biggest variable seems to be the presence or absence of consistent attention to detail for the given product, whatever it is. When barrels and receivers are consistently timed perfectly, you kind of know the rest of the rifle is good, too. |
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I think you can get a 1/7 from BM, which is now 4150 with M4 ramps on everything, and Armalite has upgraded to a mil-spec CMV, though not to 4150, and has M4 ramps on everything. But the point is that there are a lot of good rifles out there, and the difference between many of them is small and shrinking daily. Some companies have had growing pains. Others have changed to meet market demands. But the biggest variable seems to be the presence or absence of consistent attention to detail for the given product, whatever it is. When barrels and receivers are consistently timed perfectly, you kind of know the rest of the rifle is good, too. The rub is in the parts. Things that are not readily apparent. Are the lower parts properly heat treated? Is the bolt HPT/MPI? Is the bolt Carpenter 158? Stuff like that. |
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When you buy the gun with the pony on it they show you the secret handshake 'n shit. Plus all the other kids get jealous.
Mind you, if you're a fucked up shooter, the pony cannot help you. If you blow your wad on the pony and have no money for ammo or mags your pretty fucked also. As far as the TDP goes, if the Belgians can build a useable gun with it, I figure a few good Americans can do pretty damn well without it. And without the anal rape to the wallet the pony gives you. Pony owner since 1984. Doesn't make me a fucking rockstar because it will always be less the rifle and more the rifleman. |
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When you buy the gun with the pony on it they show you the secret handshake 'n shit. Plus all the other kids get jealous. Mind you, if you're a fucked up shooter, the pony cannot help you. If you blow your wad on the pony and have no money for ammo or mags your pretty fucked also. As far as the TDP goes, if the Belgians can build a useable gun with it, I figure a few good Americans can do pretty damn well without it. And without the anal rape to the wallet the pony gives you. Pony owner since 1984. Doesn't make me a fucking rockstar because it will always be less the rifle and more the rifleman. This makes about as much sense as trying to rape a lion. |
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I think Colt makes fine weapons. (I have even owned a couple) The problem I have with the 'pony' stems more from their owners than anything else.  Was it a Colt owner who started this thread? Is it ever a Colt owner who starts these threads? Tell you what, if you can find me a thread that a Colt owner deliberately started just to stir shit up against other brands I'll send you a free PMag. Deal? What we do have a lot of around here are people like you who can't even let a positive comment about Colt go unpunished, like HERE Do you have any concept of how sad that is? If your sense of identity is so wrapped up in the brand of rifle you shoot I would humbly submit that you consider therapy. |
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I think Colt makes fine weapons. (I have even owned a couple) The problem I have with the 'pony' stems more from their owners than anything else. This is where these threads start to go wrong. Your negative view of Colt owners(substantiated or not) has no bearing on the quality of Colt products. Therefore it is not needed here. Please try to address the OPs question instead of trying to ignite another flame war. |
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Parts is not parts. You either pay the premium for parts made to the TDP with its quality controls, or you do not. so it's how much you pay? "parts is not parts" is a direct quote from Pat Rogers if I am not mistaken, so I would advise you to just let it go. If you would like to argue its merits, please be warned that you fail from the get go. Great contribution though. |
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Here's a compilation of Pat Rogers quotes. Argue with me all you want but good luck arguing with his level of experience. All ARs are NOT created equal. There's good reason
Colt is so respected as well as other top quality manufacturers. "Reliability is the endstate, but how reliable (or not) a gun is has a lot to do with who made it (are they following a standard or cutting corners)" "Mil weapons are built to a standard, and while they will break down as they exceed their service life, they will generally function as adverised. Aftermarket guns cut corners, possibly believing that most gun owners don't shoot much anyway and longevity is not an issue for a gun that stays in a safe. I posted an AAR from my last class on the NC hometown and Training forums. We had two guns with problems. A brand new Armalite and a nearly new BM." "From my perspective, i am there to teach. Poorly made guns make my job harder. Every minute i / my AI's spend unfucking someones gun is a minute taken away from teaching. On the mil side, the guns either work or they gave exceeded their service life. On the cop and civilian side, people buy "just as good as" and then find out it isn't. I have more rounds through some of my guns from students then from me. Not a good thing. This is big boys rules. Hands can't be held, and while most coming to classes now have read multiple AAR's and buy more wisely- we aren't seeing as many problems now as we saw three years ago. What goes wrong is pretty much standard. Guns built to no standard. No QC Bad parts, springs and extractors. Bad mags Bad ammo No lube. Pretty simple actually." “What we see go down at class falls into these catagories. Wear items Specifically, extractors and extractor springs. Bolt rings Buffer springs Parts guns Parts ain't parts. If you get your stuff from gun shows and garage sales, don't expect quality I had a guy in a recent class bragging on T1 that he built his carbine for $400 and "it is just as good as..." That feternoon it wouldn't ectract. The extractor was worn snooth and then re park'd; the extractot spring was flat (no joke) and the insert was just crumbs. We replaced it all. On T3 his bolt broke in half. Hobby guns Generally ok, but non MPI bolts may not last (we see less problems with breaking lately) and some of the new guns may not work at all. These should not have to be shot in- they should work out of the box. Chambers are often 223, no matter what is marked on the barrel. When the gun gets hot, extraction slows down. Worn out guns Parts wear. Sometimes the guns are just plain shot out- more often, military guns. Think MEAL Magazines- serviceable mags Extractor- serviceable Ammunition- quality ammo, not garbage Lube- generous lubrication If you have that, most of the guns- even some of the very low end guns- might do well for a class or more. On the other hand, some of the companies make absolutely great guns. They will last a long time.” “Buffer retainers break, Not often, but we see a few a year. Cause? Lower grade parts. Parts are not parts, and those who buy cheap, generally wind up buying twice. I have a Book of Horrors that i bring to class. I haven't seen it all, bit i have photograhed a whole lot of it...” “Aftermarket makers cut corners to keep price down. I have never seen a Colt bolt break at the cam pin hole. I have a picture book full of broken bolts from the makers who do not build to the standard. I use Colt, LMT and BCM. Denny's bolt looks terrific but i haven't seen one yet. Your money- your choice.” “The reality is that the design is sound. Many makers buy parts from different suppliers and the result (my belief) is that on some runs you may get good parts, and others may not. I don't aspire to mediocrity, so i'll opt for stuff made to a standard.” “Most guns run well if not past the end of their service life. The hobby guns will have more problems with extractors, bolts, springs, and small parts breakage.” “I'll go along with learning from problems, but we have enough guys who bring "just as good as" guns, mags, optics, slings, load carriage and so forth that it drives those that are paying attention to develop strong feelings of hatred for those holding back the class.” |
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I think Colt makes fine weapons. (I have even owned a couple) The problem I have with the 'pony' stems more from their owners than anything else. Was it a Colt owner who started this thread? Is it ever a Colt owner who starts these threads? Tell you what, if you can find me a thread that a Colt owner deliberately started just to stir shit up against other brands I'll send you a free PMag. Deal? What we do have a lot of around here are people like you who can't even let a positive comment about Colt go unpunished, like HERE Do you have any concept of how sad that is? If your sense of identity is so wrapped up in the brand of rifle you shoot I would humbly submit that you consider therapy. OK, here's the hate I was trying to avoid this time around. Yes, I am NOT a current Colt owner... Sorry... AND, I know I posted a lot of crap in the above mentioned thread that was unfounded. Several of you pointed out (Very clearly) the flaws in my thinking and the fact that I had no proof to back up what I was saying. Just an uneducated opinion. I know I finally got pissed off and left that particular discussion in a piss-poor manner... I admit ALL that! I also sincerely apologize for it. It all went south when the testosterone levels got out of hand (Mine)!... Given........ Now, Let me get back to the topic... Please... I really appreciate the input here. I honestly wasn't able to find The "Chart" and all of the explanations that go with it. They were extremely helpful in giving me a clear understanding. I now see that Colt goes above and beyond pretty much ALL other manufacturers in their quality control and attention to detail. I did not know all that... and my ability to absorb and understand was hindered by comments like "Troll"... by one of y'all, and "Ass Clown" by yours truly... I'm with ya now!!! I'll most likely pick up another Colt... Maybe a 6920.... I don't know which one for sure... Bottom Line: Thank You all for the education. John |
There have been a metric shit ton of these threads. 
These X vs Y rifles threads and arguments, are useless to people who live in a blissful fantasy land.
They use emotion, instead of logic to defend there uninformed purchase and get butt hurt when they find out they are the proud owner of, not only a substandard weapon, but a very substandard weapon.
Those who are unwilling, unable or incapable of understanding the blinding truth and cold hard facts before their very eyes, are never going to see a quality product. It's like defending a Yugo against a Lexus. 
Even Daniel Defense, who's very new to making AR's, are building top shelf ARs, well left of the chart.
The old axiom, "Ignorance is Bliss", is very much in evidence...
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There have been a metric shit ton of these threads.
These X vs Y rifles threads and arguments, are useless to people who live in a blissful fantasy land.
They use emotion, instead of logic to defend there uninformed purchase and get butt hurt when they find out they are the proud owner of, not only a substandard weapon, but a very substandard weapon.
Those who are unwilling, unable or incapable of understanding the blinding truth and cold hard facts before their very eyes, are never going to see a quality product. It's like defending a Yugo against a Lexus.
Even Daniel Defense, who's very new to making AR's, are building top shelf ARs, well left of the chart.
The old axiom, "Ignorance is Bliss", is very much in evidence...
DD is on the chart, waiting for a response from DD to fill in the blanks.
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I think Colt makes fine weapons. (I have even owned a couple) The problem I have with the 'pony' stems more from their owners than anything else. Was it a Colt owner who started this thread? Is it ever a Colt owner who starts these threads? Tell you what, if you can find me a thread that a Colt owner deliberately started just to stir shit up against other brands I'll send you a free PMag. Deal? What we do have a lot of around here are people like you who can't even let a positive comment about Colt go unpunished, like HERE Do you have any concept of how sad that is? If your sense of identity is so wrapped up in the brand of rifle you shoot I would humbly submit that you consider therapy. OK, here's the hate I was trying to avoid this time around. Yes, I am NOT a current Colt owner... Sorry... AND, I know I posted a lot of crap in the above mentioned thread that was unfounded. Several of you pointed out (Very clearly) the flaws in my thinking and the fact that I had no proof to back up what I was saying. Just an uneducated opinion. I know I finally got pissed off and left that particular discussion in a piss-poor manner... I admit ALL that! I also sincerely apologize for it. It all went south when the testosterone levels got out of hand (Mine)!... Given........ Now, Let me get back to the topic... Please... I really appreciate the input here. I honestly wasn't able to find The "Chart" and all of the explanations that go with it. They were extremely helpful in giving me a clear understanding. I now see that Colt goes above and beyond pretty much ALL other manufacturers in their quality control and attention to detail. I did not know all that... and my ability to absorb and understand was hindered by comments like "Troll"... by one of y'all, and "Ass Clown" by yours truly... I'm with ya now!!! I'll most likely pick up another Colt... Maybe a 6920.... I don't know which one for sure... Bottom Line: Thank You all for the education. John Thanks for your honesty and willingness to admit when you make a mistake. What makes Colt so good is that they build to a higher quality standard than many others which I think you now realize. There are others that are on par with Colt but Colt tends to be the barometer, which is why they always seem to be the focus around here. There are also other great options like; Noveske, BCM, LMT, LaRue, KAC, and a few others either build to these standard or exceed them in a few places and Daniel Defense also seems be starting off right since the quality/specs they use are nearly identical to Colt. |
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Agreed, but being able to extract accurate, concise information from them was... difficult... to say the least because of the raw emotion this topic stirs up. Every other post seems to be just a dig at someone elses preference.
There have been a metric shit ton of these threads.
These X vs Y rifles threads and arguments, are useless to people who live in a blissful fantasy land.
They use emotion, instead of logic to defend there uninformed purchase and get butt hurt when they find out they are the proud owner of, not only a substandard weapon, but a very substandard weapon.
Those who are unwilling, unable or incapable of understanding the blinding truth and cold hard facts before their very eyes, are never going to see a quality product. It's like defending a Yugo against a Lexus.
Even Daniel Defense, who's very new to making AR's, are building top shelf ARs, well left of the chart.
The old axiom, "Ignorance is Bliss", is very much in evidence...
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OK, here's the hate I was trying to avoid this time around. Yes, I am NOT a current Colt owner... Sorry... AND, I know I posted a lot of crap in the above mentioned thread that was unfounded. Several of you pointed out (Very clearly) the flaws in my thinking and the fact that I had no proof to back up what I was saying. Just an uneducated opinion. I know I finally got pissed off and left that particular discussion in a piss-poor manner... I admit ALL that! I also sincerely apologize for it. It all went south when the testosterone levels got out of hand (Mine)!... Given........ Now, Let me get back to the topic... Please... I really appreciate the input here. I honestly wasn't able to find The "Chart" and all of the explanations that go with it. They were extremely helpful in giving me a clear understanding. I now see that Colt goes above and beyond pretty much ALL other manufacturers in their quality control and attention to detail. I did not know all that... and my ability to absorb and understand was hindered by comments like "Troll"... by one of y'all, and "Ass Clown" by yours truly... I'm with ya now!!! I'll most likely pick up another Colt... Maybe a 6920.... I don't know which one for sure... Bottom Line: Thank You all for the education. John This is the right attitude to go in with. We can discuss things on a level rational field. We can have a free exchange of ideas without emotion. We can lay the facts out there. While the chart is not the be all end of of reference material it is a clean organized way to see some of the differences between the brands. It gets criticized quite often by those whose guns lean towards the left side though. One thing to remember is that ARFCOM is not the only place out there where one can learn about ARs. There are other forums with knowledgeable people willing to help and teach as well. I will not name them as one is not friendly to this site. You'll notice that some moderators here are also mods on the other sites as well. Those people are a wealth of knowledge and have far more experience then the average poster such as myself. All and all I'm glad you decided to give Colt a chance. Most Colt owners and fans here are also fans of LMT, KAC, Noveske, Larue, etc. Quality is quality, it's not just Colt. 
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When you buy the gun with the pony on it they show you the secret handshake 'n shit. Plus all the other kids get jealous. Mind you, if you're a fucked up shooter, the pony cannot help you. If you blow your wad on the pony and have no money for ammo or mags your pretty fucked also. As far as the TDP goes, if the Belgians can build a useable gun with it, I figure a few good Americans can do pretty damn well without it. And without the anal rape to the wallet the pony gives you. Pony owner since 1984. Doesn't make me a fucking rockstar because it will always be less the rifle and more the rifleman. This makes about as much sense as trying to rape a lion. So does blowing Colt. They make a great gun, but so do many other manufacturers. Tell me why a 1911 costs close to a grand. I do believe we (taxpayers) have paid for that machinery time and time again over 90 fucking years. Same with the AR for the last 40+. Colt is riding the taxpayer gravy train and to hell with the civilian owner. So, until Clot acts like it cares about the very fucking people who are carrying it, they can kiss my ass. I'd rather give my money to someone that wants me to own his rifle, that wants me to enjoy the sport, than someone who doesn't give two shits cause he already has his hand in my fucking wallet. Ill buy another Pony when Colt makes me feel welcome to do so. |
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Heyo Leather Neck!
As my local gunsmith would say, ar15s are like cars, some people like chevys some like fords, and then there are some that swear to a nissan right? I love my Bushy Mod Carbine, I hated the colt my friend has. W/E, its all opinions honestly.... -USAFgroovey515 |
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When you buy the gun with the pony on it they show you the secret handshake 'n shit. Plus all the other kids get jealous. Mind you, if you're a fucked up shooter, the pony cannot help you. If you blow your wad on the pony and have no money for ammo or mags your pretty fucked also. As far as the TDP goes, if the Belgians can build a useable gun with it, I figure a few good Americans can do pretty damn well without it. And without the anal rape to the wallet the pony gives you. Pony owner since 1984. Doesn't make me a fucking rockstar because it will always be less the rifle and more the rifleman. This makes about as much sense as trying to rape a lion. So does blowing Colt. They make a great gun, but so do many other manufacturers. Tell me why a 1911 costs close to a grand. I do believe we (taxpayers) have paid for that machinery time and time again over 90 fucking years. Same with the AR for the last 40+. Colt is riding the taxpayer gravy train and to hell with the civilian owner. So, until Clot acts like it cares about the very fucking people who are carrying it, they can kiss my ass. I'd rather give my money to someone that wants me to own his rifle, that wants me to enjoy the sport, than someone who doesn't give two shits cause he already has his hand in my fucking wallet. Ill buy another Pony when Colt makes me feel welcome to do so. The taxpayers have paid for a product via the US military contract. This is the same mentality that says we give away billions of dollars to foreign countries every year by buying oil. When a product is exchanged for money then it is not being given away. There is a serious logic fail with what you are saying. So everyone else can sell 1911s and AR15s for over $1000 but Colt has to sell them for less because in your mind they are taxpayer funded? Wow! |
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