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Posted: 6/19/2009 6:57:23 AM EDT
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Based on the optic choice of a TA11, which would you choose?
Which rail length? Also if a Reece is your choice, UBR or SOPMOD for the stock? |
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Let your mission dictate your weapon features.
Yep, I'm not much help at all. ETA: That isn't enough scope for an SPR. As for the rail and stock, What is the purpose of the rail? To mount accessories? To protect the gas block? To free float and mounting a bipod? To look cool? The answer to that should dictate length of the rail. The stock can be a very personal decision (since you probably won't be wanting the adjustments a proper SPR would require). It also depends on how finicky you are about the overall balance of the firearm. Some people like a heavier stock when using a longer rail to prevent a muzzle heavy feeling. |
| The consensus around this forum is that that a TA11 would not be enough optic for a SPR, however I disagree, people here tend to think a SPR is a sniper rifle while it is not. A 4X ACOG coupled with a 18" barrel will accurately get you out 500-600 yrds which is what a SPR is designed to do, past that you use a larger caliber and a bigger scope |
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Quoted:people here tend to think a SPR is a sniper rifle while it is not. A 4X ACOG coupled with a 18" barrel will accurately get you out 500-600 yrds which is what a SPR is designed to do
Your definition of the SPR and my definition of the SPR must be somewhat different. A key feature of the Mk 12 SPR is the use of an optic which has a minimum upper magnification of 9X. |
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The purpose would be to reliably & quickly engage targets from 100-400 meters.
I am leaning towards a Reece because it seems to be a bit less specialized than an SPR. The purpose of the rail is to free float the barrel & mount a VFG. If I went SPR, there would certainly be a bipod and possibly a light. If I went Reece, there would certainly be a light and possibly a bipod. |
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Why use an optic? Seems to be alot of people who brag they can hit a target at 600 or more with just iron sights. I don't think I could but I'm no expert shot either. I think the point is he already has the optic. Shooting accurately at human sized targets with irons past 200 meters can get really hard if you don't have the best eyes. I'd make a SDMR. |
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I was just being sarcastic. I want to build a Recce down the road. I think an ACOG would make a good scope and if money was no object I'd also have a variable 1 - 4 power scope in a LaRue mount.
As far as a stock goes, I got a SOPMOD on my M4 and if I built a Recce, I think I would lean toward the UBR! "Either would work though. |
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ACOGs weren't designed for SPR type precision rifles, they just aren't. Yeah, but some folks clearly don't know what an SPR is supposed to be. It is just like some of the stuff posted in the Recce photo thread. I realize the Recce concept isn't graven in stone, but putting an ACOG on an M4gery does not a Recce make. |
You know that the ARFCOM answer would always be get both. 
Well, if based on your optic choice I would go with the RECCE, a midlength gas system, medium contour barrel, 10" to 11" rail length (11" rail when using a long low profile gas block like LaRue to cover the gas block). SOPMOD but if you need to balance a very heavy front end the UBR are heavier. I'm currently building a SPR because I already have a sort of a RECCE type carbine, not a pure RECCE but would fill the its role in short ranges, it's my Denny's Operator barrel with LaRue 9.0 FF rails. For the optic on my SPR build I'm going to go for 4X to 10X power scope, but I will be temporarily using my existing Kahles 3.5-12X scope until I could get a lower powered magnification. |
My Rainier PWS piston recce with TA31A
Global Tactical kreiger barreled SPR with 3-9x40 Mk 4 
The SPR is about 2x as accurate at distance, .5 moa vs 1 moa averages. My best of the SPR is .370 for 5 shots and .770 for the recce. Both will serve well, but the Recce is more of a grab and go rifle since it will accurately engage from 25-400 yds, maybe more. |
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Also if a Reece is your choice, UBR or SOPMOD for the stock? Quoted:
If I went Reece, there would certainly be a light and possibly a bipod. RECCE. R-E-C-C-E. Not "Reece". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconnaissance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEAL_Recon_Rifle |
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Also if a Reece is your choice, UBR or SOPMOD for the stock? Quoted:
If I went Reece, there would certainly be a light and possibly a bipod. RECCE. R-E-C-C-E. Not "Reece". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconnaissance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEAL_Recon_Rifle 
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U say TOMATO i say TOMATO! Minimal actual diff. in the effective range and if u are a smaller guy maybe a recce but other than some small things they are close.t Imho recces are my love affair and they to me bar none are the 007's of ARs if spending the top dollar on them...plus now a days spr/mk 11 mod 0 and mod 1's are used to describe what folks think is a spr.....because in theory " recce" can still be in the running for a best type overall AR being that nobody really makes the org. recce or seal recon rifle so if using top top tier gear on it, than the sky is the limit. With the spr you are screwed right away if u want to be want to be honest about it since no civialian has a real mk 11 or anything close and trust me if i could get a real kac m110 or mk 11 it would be a diff. story but damn these days i think everybody has a SPR.... ..keep in mind what the name means.."SPECIAL PURPOSE RIFLE".
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The consensus around this forum is that that a TA11 would not be enough optic for a SPR, however I disagree, people here tend to think a SPR is a sniper rifle while it is not. A 4X ACOG coupled with a 18" barrel will accurately get you out 500-600 yrds which is what a SPR is designed to do, past that you use a larger caliber and a bigger scope News flash for you. The SPR was designed as a sniper rifle upper. I was in 5th SFGA when development started and it was origanally a decicated match upper to drop onto a M4A1 lower for a target rich enviornment for the sniper since we only had our bolt M24 and wanted our M21s back. Timeframe was around 97-98'. NSWC Crane came back and said "Hey we got these extra M16A1 lowers, would you like complete rifles instead just an upper?" Hence SPR the R is now Rifle instead of Reciever. Here is Cold Stone Steve Austin firing one of ours in Baghdad in Dec03' (my current location again). Notice optic is a PVS-17 night sight (using filter for day shooting) and suppressor (and full auto). 
ETA: The SPR is issued to sniper qualifed SF,Rangers and SEALs. The AMU DMR is issued to squad members trained as a dedicated marksman with normal infantry duties. They are not sniper qualified. Another is the ammunition, the DMR uses M855 ball ammo where the MK 262 77gr Match was developed specifically for the SPR. CD |
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