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Posted: 4/1/2009 5:54:43 PM EDT
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Can some one please tell me why a Noveske Recce rifle is worth 2200 bucks. Are they that much better than the other manufactors on the market? And I have heard rumprs that they have heavy triggers.
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Its not worth 2200 bucks. They are no better than Colt, Sabre, LMT, CMT etc... as far as reliability. They do have very nice barrels but not worth their price tag. But if you do fork out the $$$$$ for a Noveske you supposedly grow 4 inches in your pants. Or at least in your head you do.
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Its not worth 2200 bucks. They are no better than Colt, Sabre, LMT, CMT etc... as far as reliability. They do have very nice barrels but not worth their price tag. But if you do fork out the $$$$$ for a Noveske you supposedly grow 4 inches in your pants. Or at least in your head you do. You keep on telling yourself that if it helps you to sleep better at night. 
They are great guns. Are they "better" that is debateable. Some say yes some say no. I think that if you go with any tier 1 gun you are pretty much g2g. |
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Its not worth 2200 bucks. They are no better than Colt, Sabre, LMT, CMT etc... as far as reliability. They do have very nice barrels but not worth their price tag. But if you do fork out the $$$$$ for a Noveske you supposedly grow 4 inches in your pants. Or at least in your head you do. You keep on telling yourself that if it helps you to sleep better at night.
They are great guns. Are they "better" that is debateable. Some say yes some say no. I think that if you go with any tier 1 gun you are pretty much g2g. Why, what he said is the absolute truth. They are nice rifles with good barrels. They are no better or worse than any of the top tier rifles. |
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If you want a 16 inch rifle with pinpoint accuracy that goes boom everytime you squeeze the trigger, than yes it is worth the money. If you want a weekend plinker with 2 -3 inch groups than no its not. if you think 2200 for a factory built gun is high, try building one
ROCK RIVER LOWER RECEIVER: 155 ROCK RIVER LOWER PARTS KIT: 75 MIL SPEC CAR STOCK RECEIVER: 46 VLTOR SINGLE POINT SLING MOUNT: 30 TANGO DOWN GRIP: 42 RRA NM 2 STAGE TRIGGER: 120 NOVESKE RECON 16 VIS UPPER: 1337.49 MAGPUL CTR STOCK: 101 BURRIS XTR 1-4: 660 BURRIS EXTREME TACTICAL LOW RINGS: 69 LARUE RISER: 125 HARRIS BR-S BIPOD: 89 LARUE BIPOD MOUNT: 79 H2 BUFFER: 32 MAGPUL FOLDING BUIS: 250 MAGPUL RAIL COVERS: 28 VTAC SLING MOUNT: 62 TOTAL 3300.49 A RRA with all the bells and whistles will run you close to 1800 without optics as well |
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Noveske's have cold hammer forged barrels, no?
Whether or not it's worth the cost is really a function of how you intend to run your rifle. Compare it to a Colt LE6940, for example. If you run the Colt hard, you can expect an effective barrel life of 25-30k rounds. After that you'll need to start thinking about a new barrel, which will cost anywhere from $400 to $500-depending on the specific Colt barrel you replace it with. A Noveske barrel will last, what, double the life of a regular barrel? Is that durability worth it to you? How about not having to re-barrel in 30k rounds? If the answers to the above questions are 'yes', then the Noveske is worth the premium in my opinion 
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I don't care what anyone says....this was worth every single penny  . Is is worth it to everyone? No, but only you can make that decision.
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b181/redcapote/Firearms/Novgroup010.jpg http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b181/redcapote/Firearms/Novgroup009.jpg I agree. You got a great AR from Norman. I remember helping him spec out the Noveske last year. First class all the way. I just wish I had the funds available when he offered it to me before he posted it. I am envious. |
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I don't care what anyone says....this was worth every single penny . Is is worth it to everyone? No, but only you can make that decision.
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b181/redcapote/Firearms/Novgroup010.jpg http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b181/redcapote/Firearms/Novgroup009.jpg I agree. You got a great AR from Norman. I remember helping him spec out the Noveske last year. First class all the way. I just wish I had the funds available when he offered it to me before he posted it. I am envious. Thanks! I don't think I've ever been so excited about a rifle . I've been looking everywhere for a low pro recce but when I saw this low pro recce with VIS I almost passed out.
I can't think of anything I'd rather have and that includes the 6940 I just got recently.... |
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I don't care what anyone says....this was worth every single penny . Is is worth it to everyone? No, but only you can make that decision.
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b181/redcapote/Firearms/Novgroup010.jpg http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b181/redcapote/Firearms/Novgroup009.jpg i really like how the top rail is one enitre piece through the handrails. makes the rifle look really sharp IMO.  
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$2200? I got mine for $1900 last summer Are they worth the money? It all is in the eye of the beholder I guess. This was my first AR. I lurked and read and did research here for about three months before I pulled the trigger on a Noveske. I had a Sig556 so the BRD was not a shock to me. But when I actually held and fingered the Noveske it was love at first sight. I now have four AR's all Top Tier in most books and the Noveske has been the only rifle not to have any sort of malfunction. It is the most accurate of my rifles. Now I have gone off of the deep end with it so truth be told it has become primarily a bench gun But all of the crap that I have hung on it is QD so if I wanted to go high speed it would be easy. I do not have the Vltor upper, it has the standard upper with the Primary Weapons Systems Rail. Here is some porn for ya.
Would I do it again? You bet. Sir James... |
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Love my Noveskes !!! I'm Actually looking to get a third one
there are many like it but this one is mine
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q42/myusi/DSC00406.jpg http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q42/myusi/DSC00410.jpg |
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Lower $200
LPK $100 Grip $30 Receiver extension $40 End plate $4 Castle nut $7 Carbine spring $5 H buffer $20 Stock $100 Upper receiver $120 BCG $130 Charge handle $20 Gas tube $15 Gas block $50 Flash suppressor $50 Rail $300 Front sight $120 Rear sight $140 TOTAL without barrel $1451 This leaves $749 for the barrel and installation. Also this does not include the cost of shipping if you have to buy from various sources..and of course there is the availability issue. A stripped Sabre barrel goes for $260 and I have seen stripped BCM barrels listed for $240 (but never seen them in stock). So if paying a $500 premium for a N4 barrel, the AR being built and no parts finding hassles...that your call. IMO I don't think its worth it, but I prefer to build my own anyways... |
| Nice guns...but I don't think anything other than the barrels are beyond normal mil-spec quality and/or is worth the higher price. Doesn't CMT supply their BCG's, CH's, triggers, uppers recievers, etc.? Correct me if I'm wrong about the above...and I am not knocking Noveske(I have a few barreled uppers)...but what does Noveske make in house in regards to components besides lowers and barrels? |
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Nice guns...but I don't think anything other than the barrels are beyond normal mil-spec quality and/or is worth the higher price. Doesn't CMT supply their BCG's, CH's, triggers, uppers recievers, etc.? Correct me if I'm wrong about the above...and I am not knocking Noveske(I have a few barreled uppers)...but what does Noveske make in house in regards to components besides lowers and barrels? You're right, but with John Noveske's attention to detail you can relax knowing he's going to make sure that every component is up to his extremely high standards. He even had SWS make custom rails to his liking. From what I've read, most parts other than the barrel are CMT. The lowers have been made by various companies and I'm not sure which one he is using right now but he used CMT and LAR ("B" prefix) in the past. Here's a link to an interview with John that has more info: Noveske Interview |
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Nice guns...but I don't think anything other than the barrels are beyond normal mil-spec quality and/or is worth the higher price. Doesn't CMT supply their BCG's, CH's, triggers, uppers recievers, etc.? Correct me if I'm wrong about the above...and I am not knocking Noveske(I have a few barreled uppers)...but what does Noveske make in house in regards to components besides lowers and barrels? You're right, but with John Noveske's attention to detail you can relax knowing he's going to make sure that every component is up to his extremely high standards. He even had SWS make custom rails to his liking. From what I've read, most parts other than the barrel are CMT. The lowers have been made by various companies and I'm not sure which one he is using right now but he used CMT and LAR ("B" prefix) in the past. Here's a link to an interview with John that has more info: Noveske Interview This is an excellent point that can't be emphasized enough. It's not about where a manufacturer gets their parts-it's all about the standards used to manufacture, test, and assemble those parts. I can put together a complete rifle in a couple of hours-or a lower receiver in about 45 minutes. Even if I used the exact same components from the exact same bins that Colt uses, my rifle still wouldn't be a Colt. The difference is in QC procedures like magnafluxing, shot peening, and then assembling and testing to a standard. As Pat Rogers is fond of saying, "parts ain't parts". |
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