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Posted: 2/13/2009 5:24:24 PM EDT
| So I took the AR-15 out for another range day today. The first time I brought one Cprod magazine that was suppose to be a 10 rounder but it was really a 5. I still have not gotten that worked out yet but everything else that day went well. Today I brought another 10 round magazine that was not made by Cprod and it worked fine. However I noticed that when inserting the first full magazine it took a lot more force than usual to get it to lock in place. But once the other magazines were inserted on a open bolt everything was normal and easy to insert. <br />Is it normal for the first magazine to take extra force to lock into place? I figured that with a full magazine the top round is pressing against the bottom of the BCG and it takes the extra force to force the BCG up just enough to allow the magazine to lock. <br />So is it normal? Do I have a problem? How do I fix it? |
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+1 On one of mine it takes a sharp rap to get to lock, the other is like butter. Is it the magazine that makes a difference? That is what I tought at first and sent the lower back to stag and it came back with a clean bill of health. The gun has never burped so I am not really worried about it. The one lower is a stag It needs a sharp rap to get to get it to seat with almost all my mags, the other is a Eagle Arms that a friend gave me and The mag just slides right in. I asked a Gunsmith friend of mine about it and he said to check how tight your mag catch is and see if it was screwed in to tight. |
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Normal, A standard USGI 20 or 30 rd mag has extra play so that when seating a full mag on a closed bolt the rounds have enough room to compress slightly (you can put 31 rds in but no extra give). Your 10 rd mag may be designed to NOT have that extra play in it so that you may not be able to put 11 rds in to be legal. This is also why soldiers are trained to slap the base of the magazine upward when seating a magazine to ensure the mag is locked in place.
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perfectly normal....take a round or 2 out of the mag Or you could grow a pair of balls and actually use the gun/mag combo like the tool it is meant to be. Every week I see a thread on this, and every week I wonder why you guys get guns and can't use the mags properly. Anyway, I'm just ranting, so ignore me.  
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perfectly normal....take a round or 2 out of the mag Or you could grow a pair of balls and actually use the gun/mag combo like the tool it is meant to be. Every week I see a thread on this, and every week I wonder why you guys get guns and can't use the mags properly. Anyway, I'm just ranting, so ignore me. Have you thought about switching to decaf. 
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perfectly normal....take a round or 2 out of the mag Or you could grow a pair of balls and actually use the gun/mag combo like the tool it is meant to be. Every week I see a thread on this, and every week I wonder why you guys get guns and can't use the mags properly. Anyway, I'm just ranting, so ignore me. Have you thought about switching to decaf. Is it going to make it easier for you to insert your mags if I do? 
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perfectly normal....take a round or 2 out of the mag Or you could grow a pair of balls and actually use the gun/mag combo like the tool it is meant to be. Every week I see a thread on this, and every week I wonder why you guys get guns and can't use the mags properly. Anyway, I'm just ranting, so ignore me. 
Yeah, right ... I'm sure that Pat Rogers will be interested to know that - according to you - he, and those who train with him, all need to "grow a pair of balls" ...
... every time they load 28 into a 30 round mag ........ all those poor guys who "get guns and can't use the mags properly."
Certainly, THEY could all benefit from YOUR insights on how to use the weapon "and the gun/mag combo like the tool it is meant to be" ...
As you are belabored with "seeing a thread on it" - every week. And rather than having to "ignore" your mindless drivel - do everyone else a favor - and save your "rants" for GD. |
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perfectly normal....take a round or 2 out of the mag Or you could grow a pair of balls and actually use the gun/mag combo like the tool it is meant to be. Every week I see a thread on this, and every week I wonder why you guys get guns and can't use the mags properly. Anyway, I'm just ranting, so ignore me.
Yeah, right ... I'm sure that Pat Rogers will be interested to know that - according to you - he, and those who train with him, all need to "grow a pair of balls" ...
... every time they load 28 into a 30 round mag ........ all those poor guys who "get guns and can't use the mags properly."
Certainly, THEY could all benefit from YOUR insights on how to use the weapon "and the gun/mag combo like the tool it is meant to be" ...
As you are belabored with "seeing a thread on it" - every week. And rather than having to "ignore" your mindless drivel - do everyone else a favor - and save your "rants" for GD. Hey, whatever makes you feel better at night, brother. PMAGs do not have this problem, and neither do any of my CP mags. USGI mags usually do b/c of their overall quality (still good products, just flex more under load). The majority of guys asking this question are not Marines/NYPD, but rather regular guys who will never in their life use the AR as a defense type weapon. Therefore they do not need to download their mags when they are at the range killing paper (unless they seriously have some kind of disability that limits the amount of force they can exert when inserting mags, of course). Honestly, in two decades of AR usage, I just don't see the problem slapping home a 30/30 mag. I'm sure the Marines have their way of doing it (tactical reloads when the bolt is closed), but I'm pretty positive these guys are not under fire... |
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Hey, whatever makes you feel better at night, brother. PMAGs do not have this problem, and neither do any of my CP mags. USGI mags usually do b/c of their overall quality (still good products, just flex more under load). The majority of guys asking this question are not Marines/NYPD, but rather regular guys who will never in their life use the AR as a defense type weapon. Therefore they do not need to download their mags when they are at the range killing paper (unless they seriously have some kind of disability that limits the amount of force they can exert when inserting mags, of course). Honestly, in two decades of AR usage, I just don't see the problem slapping home a 30/30 mag. I'm sure the Marines have their way of doing it (tactical reloads when the bolt is closed), but I'm pretty positive these guys are not under fire... This is a large part of the reason we don't want Marines to load 30 rounds in the mag, it gets them into the habit of t-cupping and slapping the mag in on a close bolt. The problem becomes not only a tac reload, but on a speed reload, they will t-cup the mag and slap the bottom, which often causes the top round to pop out and a double feed. |
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Normal, A standard USGI 20 or 30 rd mag has extra play so that when seating a full mag on a closed bolt the rounds have enough room to compress slightly (you can put 31 rds in but no extra give). Your 10 rd mag may be designed to NOT have that extra play in it so that you may not be able to put 11 rds in to be legal. This is also why soldiers are trained to slap the base of the magazine upward when seating a magazine to ensure the mag is locked in place. CD Some are, some aren't some you have to force 30 rounds into. The H&Ks and PMAGs have that extra round capability, so they don't have an issue with it. |
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USGI mags usually do b/c of their overall quality (still good products, just flex more under load).
That statement show you don't know what you don't know... and the advise of telling folks to open up a "Can of man" to get there magazine inserted validates it. When the Colt Engineers were tasked with making a 30 rd Magazine, they did exactly that.. they made a magazine that holds 30 rds....period. The problem then occurs when trying to seat a 30 rd Mag on a closed bolt. There is lttle room left for the 30 rds to compress further to allow one to seat the magazine with out slapping the shit out of it. Folks have learned a thing or two since the mid 60's when they first fielded the 30 rd mag.. H&K and Pmag along with a few others have taken that in to account when designing there mags and they can be seated easier as there is room for the 30 rds to compress on a closed bolt. I prefer to use skill, experience and technique over brute force to solve most problems.... |
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QuicksilverJPR USGI mags usually do b/c of their overall quality (still good products, just flex more under load).
That statement show you don't know what you don't know... and the advise of telling folks to open up a "Can of man" to get there magazine inserted validates it. When the Colt Engineers were tasked with making a 30 rd Magazine, they did exactly that.. they made a magazine that holds 30 rds....period. The problem then occurs when trying to seat a 30 rd Mag on a closed bolt. There is lttle room left for the 30 rds to compress further to allow one to seat the magazine with out slapping the shit out of it. Folks have learned a thing or two since the mid 60's when they first fielded the 30 rd mag.. H&K and Pmag along with a few others have taken that in to account when designing there mags and they can be seated easier as there is room for the 30 rds to compress on a closed bolt. I prefer to use skill, experience and technique over brute force to solve most problems.... So you echo exactly what I said, and then say I don't know what I don't know. 
Like I said, whatever makes you sleep better at night...
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Your reading comprehension needs some work. It's folks like your self that need to "slap the shit" out of the mag to get it to seat, I down load and push til it seats and then pull to insure it did.. but hey,, what ever makes you sleep at night... I don't know what you're talking about, but I do not have to slap it at all. All I have to do is use two fingers, slide it up and it's seated. I can pull as hard as I want (well, within readon, that is) and it's not coming out... Seems like my comprehension is working rather well...
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