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Posted: 10/18/2008 9:15:19 AM EDT
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It seems that about half of the ARs in the picture threads have the selector on FIRE which violates RULE #4 of the 4 safety rules: Keep weapon on safe until you intend to fire. I just got my first MForgery, but I've been around the M16A2 for the last 9 1/2 years in the Marine Corps to include running an armory for 2 of those years. Is there some logic behind leaving the weapon off safe for storage that I am missing? Just curious. BDP |
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Oh goodie -- I still remember the guy in the pic thread that was yelling at everyone for this. This is going to be good. Oh the noes!!! Do you think that everyone keeps their rifles loaded all the time? Maybe the hammer is down on an empty chamber?? Stop and think a bit - it won't kill you. |
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That's not rule #4, at least on any list of rules I've ever heard. 
Some people store weapons hammer-down on an empty chamber. Anyway, the safety can be off without any of the "four rules" being violated. |
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Devildog Thank you for your service to our country. I love you guy's for what you do to keep us safe here. Iwould like to know that question too. I also have see some gun owners take off the safety and release their trigger before putting their guns away to take constant tention off of the springs when in storage. |
Guess I should have specified Marine Corps Safety Rules: - RULE #1 Treat every weapon as if it were loaded. - RULE #2 never point a weapon at anything you do not intend to shoot. - RULE #3 Keep finger straight and off the trigger until you are ready to fire. - RULE #4 Keep weapon on safe until you intend to fire. |
Fair enough. I was probably a bit cranky. I don't store rifle with rounds in the chamber, so it doesn't matter to me one bit whether the safety is on or off. If there's a round in the chamber, the safety goes on till it's time to fire. And I wouldn't worry one bit about the springs having tension or whatever. Whether the hammer is cocked or not it doesn't really matter for long term durability IMO. Maybe it might be something you'd want to consider if you're not going to touch the rifle for 50 or 100 years. |
That's what I was thinking... |
I was waiting for that picture. Odd that the Marine Corps rules don't include some form of "Be sure of your target and beyond." 
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There you have it. When the hammer is down your safety selector cannot be on safe unless there is something wrong. |
Most folks just have the selector on fire for the pics & that's it. I leave mine on safe when not shooting or cleaning. Don't read too much into it killer. |
| I did a poll awhile back asking how people leave their ARs in the safe. Most said "Hammer down on empty chamber." If the hammer is down it sure as heck ain't loaded and you can't move the selector to safe. So if the majority of people leave their ARs this way (which is 100% safe) that is why you see so many pics with the selector on fire. |
I keep an AR or shotgun mag loaded, chamber empty, safety off. The safety only goes on when I chamber a round. I don't trust the safety on long guns, and it's just something to get in the way so I just leave it off. |
| Same with me, the only safety I like to use is a beaver tail. Plus when I was first learning how to shoot, I was taught, "You have three safeties and they are in ordered of importance, your brain, your finger, and the gun's safety." The peple who taught me how to shoot don't like guns' safeties and many of them think they are dangerous, as such I have the same feelings. |
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My rifles stay in the safe with the hammers down and thus the safety on "Fire". The Corps safety rules you list are for operations, whether on a range or in combat, NOT for storage. And what about when those USMC rifles are racked? (They MUST be racked at some point.) Does the rule book say how you store the rifle in the rack? I note no inclusion of rules like "no ammunition anywhere near the cleaning area," which I find curious only in so much as this affirms that the Corps safety rules are not intended for casual storage and display. |
I used to get "pissy" about the same thing (because I was an 0311), but then I posted a pic of one of my rifles with the safety off and called out on it (it was a friend who caught me and he's also a Marine), so after that, I decided I couldn't give anyone anymore shit. 
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+1 |
For the Marine Corps, anything beyond is a Bonus!
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Its not included because its called the 4 WEAPONS Handling safety rules not the 4 weapons Shooting safety rules, beside rule number 2 covers that for us. Know your target and beyond applies more to Fudds, and yes I am one of those too. I never really cared much for ARFcoms version of the safety rules. Treat - Never - Keep - Keep is much smother off the tongue  YMMV / just my $.02 |
We do teach that. It's just not as ingrained as the first 4. |
| safteys are on fire exept when round is chamber in a storaged situation/ daily carry. otherwise stored without round in chamber really no need for saftey. having satey on in a grab and shoot scenario just leads to anther step when grabbing a gun thats not loaded. |
I always open my case back up to double check that i closed that damn thing, i can never remember. |
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