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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - long term storage for an AR (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 10/3/2008 2:29:21 PM EDT
| If the election goes south and it looks it right now, any advice for long term storage of an AR. PVC tube, etc. Any help would be appreciated. |
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I had a discussion with a few people at my last gun show, two of which were police officers. We talked about what happens if democrats take office and what if they ever came to take our guns. It is all of our worst fear and even though we joke about it, there are powers that be that would love to take our guns, lets hope they never get that law passed. One of the best suggestions I've ever heard came from one of the officers. He said "take your guns and stow them away, break the rear door/window of your home and stage a break in where they took your guns/valubles. Let the police make the report, do there usuall nothing and then get your guns back out". NOW THEY ARE GONE! I wouldn't do this with my carry pistol, it's always on me and I like that it's straight, but my AR and other pistols, well I like the idea. Worst case and the powers that be ever have to run the numbers they might come back as stolen, there is no national stolen gun database as there is with automobiles, but if they're in your possession then you could BS your way out of that one. I also know someone that regularly take their guns on their boat and shoot at floating targets out off the coast. It's perfectly legal and challenging as hell. Well this poor guy "let his AR fall over the side" reported it to local law enforcment and NOW IT'S GONE. The thing to remember is if they ever come to take a gun in your name, well you had better produce the gun or something to show you don't have it any more or you will probibly be in some real crap! |
How would you BS your way out of it??? |
It's a slippery slope. If you report it and then collect on the insurance, all my property in my house including the guns are covered, you could be charged with fraud..... |
Good point, never thought of the insurance angle, but it's up to the homeowner to report to the insurance agency. If you don't, the law damn sure won't, so they'd probibly never know. Then again, if someone would bury their guns then whats a little fraud to them? |
I got a revolver stolen last year, I reported it to the local PD, and then the ATF called me a week later to verify all of my info, and mainly the gun's info, and they told me that there was some sort of stolen gun database and that if it showed up, and wasn't used to shoot someone, i could get it back... was the ATF Agent mistaken? |
I was told by one of the local police officers here there was no such thing. Should have known he didn't know crap or was BSing me. |
I have no doubt they have databases of all kinds of things and my name is in there  As for long term storage, vasoline is esentually a very refined version of cosmoline. Simply take the gun and coat it good in vasoline including the bore and all metal parts. Then, get some of the new space age plastics and wrap the gun. Take this and remove the pistol grip and drop it into a PVC pipe. Add some desicant packs, a bunch of ammo, mags, and stuff to clean the gun. You may want to double bag the ammo and mags to make sure they are protected and grease free. Then, seal both ends and the options of where to place it are endless. Perhaps an interior wall, perhaps under ground, perhaps a brother, sister, father, uncle, or grandson's house in the basement or attic? Perhaps a hunting camp or ??? Now, FWIW, AK Underfolders are easier to bury then ARs and they tend to require less cleaning before you can use them too. Not that I have buried any guns mind you 
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um... ok... i'm lost. uh... ok... here goes. question: when the clinton ban was in effect could people who'd already owned ar's from before the ban NOT shoot their weapons anymore? if the same ban is put into effect does that mean that i will have to turn in my ar but i am able to keep other guns like pistols, shotguns, etc.? |
Remember Katrina... Think that if it happens after a bit of rain and flooding that the powers that be will not come to your door in a "real" civil disaster of the sort where people are killing each other? Imagine if we were under nuclear, chemical, biological attack or no food in the case of a Yellowstone Kaboom or perhaps the economy does melt down and nobody has anything and most people are homeless and they take to mass civil unrest! Yea, I think it can happen!!! |
The last ban had a grandfather clause. Most laws do of this sort as the guns you own were assumed to be legally purchased in commerce and rarely does the government try to take these things away. Still, what you have may well be all you ever will be able to have. I would not bury a gun out of fear of .gov collecting them as a new law. I fear .gov or .local will try to take them because of a crisis and that is when having one or more "stored" gun kits (gun, mags, ammo) might be the difference between you being a sheep or the sheep dog that the wolves need to worry about. AKs are still cheap enough to bury one or two! |
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Humor me for a second... IF you own your gun for protection, especially as part of a well regulated militia who is fundamentally organized to protect citizens from the threat of dictatorship, and... IF said dictatorial government has decided that it is no longer a government by, for, and of the people, and... IF this government begins taking steps to disarm those people... Why are you burying your guns? |
Short sighted I think. You prepare with a plan but realize that plan may go wrong and you need to have backups. If you lived in an area and the police had orders to take your guns at force are you really going to shoot it out with the police? If so, you will die and that sure isn't much of a survival plan. Now, if years ahead you put a gun or two away then you always know you can go to the backup if you really need it even if the government comes and gets your guns when you were not prepared for their visit. Now, if you are smart, you might also want to have some of those backups in other geopgraphical areas as perhaps the reason you can't get to your safe is because a nuke went off in your town or city. I am not promoting burying your only gun, but I am suggesting that all your guns in one location is a very limited view that could you as unprepared as a Polish Jew when the Nazis came in and killed them by the millions! I just hope enough people are armed after the guns are collected that when the time to fight comes that the fight can be effective. I never fealt this way in this country before Katrina, but Katrina taught me that the Government and systems in this country can and will fail in a major crisis and if that happens you have no rights that can not be taken away and your choice is to plan to die or plan to survive. I am not going to get into a firefight over the guns in my safe and there will be no proof that I have other guns that were in there or not in there.
As above, there are times when your rights are worthless. You can fight but you could die for nothing more then a pissing match between some city mayor and his wacky police force or you can obay local laws and fight it another day (See Katrina). Why, the same reason I don't own stock in one company, I don't own one pair of shoes, and I don't only hang out on one website. By stashing one or more spare guns it provides alternate ways you can arm yourself and survive. Certainly burying every gun you own is not the answer but if you only have one gun they your wories about somone like me who buries a spare is the least of your wories and you need to get a second job and start buying guns, mags, and ammo  I am promoting being prepared including having guns that would be available that nobody can ever find them all even if they burn your house down or a nuke went off in your front yard! If I kept every gun I had at the ready, then they are all gone at the moment the BATFE or team Swat AKA Katrina style comes to collect them all and then what do you do?
Yea, they sure as hell know who I am... Also, there is nothing illegal about preserving a gun and storing it elsewhere. We are not talking about making illegal guns or anything of the sort. Simply putting away weapons that could be used to fight, defend, or feed our families. I think some people hug their only AR too tight as a favorite toy but these are tools and thankfully civilians of this country have not really had to use them in a large scale confict against other people in a very long time but that doesn't mean it can not or will not happen at some point. Mother nature will catch up with us at some point! You can hope it never happens or you can try to plan for what could happen. Remember a gun and ammo is a small part of planning. |
Stolen autos are entered into NCIC/IDACS as stolen if the VIN is known at the time the report was taken. Since the VIN is essentially a veh's ser# then any serialized item can be entered into NCIC/IDACS as stolen if that number is given to the officer at the time of the report so he can have dispatch enter the item into the national database. It has nothing to do with a veh vs. other items. NCIC/IDACS is the "database" you speak of-it's just used more often with veh's since they're everywhere & get stolen/used in crimes more than anything else. Given the nature of guns you better had have your ser# on hand for the officer to copy if they are ever stolen. We recover stolen guns all the time where the owner has previously reported the ser# to the officer. If you don't have your ser# then you're sol most of the time & that goes for any serialized & high dollar item. |
good one- you beat me to it! |
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I think you will know months in advance they are coming before they come to get your guns. I do not think all 3 branches of government would be able to secretly plot citizenship gun confiscation. The Supreme Court of this nation decided a few months ago in favor of the second amendment. If the new democratic president (So be it if he wins) plots to subvert and contradict the constitution of the USA, then my guess is he will be impeached faster than you can come up with a plan to hide your weapons. Because many believe, whether they believe in the right to bear arms or not, that any dissection of the constitution is the beginning of the end of the constitution as we know it and the beginning of socialism. There are more people that do not have guns than do who would not want to see our constitution disassembled in any fashion, knowing good and well "United the Constitution Stands, Divided it Falls". |
I think you need to see this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4 If you trust you have time to prepare after you discover you should have prepared you may not ever get to do it! Either way, I have made my point and I used to think like many here, then I watched the news about what can AND DID happen during a crisis and I no longer trust our "freedoms" will preserve my rights! |
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I love the ending on this one... www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm5PC7z79-8&NR=1 I was a soldier and those national guardsmen were given illegal orders. Didn't anyone question this? Those commanders should be up on charges. Furthermore, any bloodshed, soldier or civilian in those efforts is on their hands. Son of bitches. |
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worth a read... Gun ownership record retention Seems to me the Feds, at least, would have no record of any firearms purchase after 24 hrs (or 90 days max, on non-personally identifying info) unless you live in a Big Brother state OR should report the firearm stolen. So that seems not to be a wise ploy to hide your possession. Unless you have a permit to carry and I wouldn't think too many of you have that for your AR. I suppose they could demand the records of all gun sales by each gun dealer in the country as a means of obtaining the info they need, but that would most likely get the word out and actions could be taken as needed to make the gun unavailble for confiscation. |
Joking right? Sounds like a good way to get in trouble.
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False reporting is a crime & I wouldn't want the officers who gave you this advise at my agency. No wonder folks don't like us. |
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I will defend the People & the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign & domestic. That is why I have weapons, and why I will not be hiding them, but instead, I will be loading them for use in defense of America from domestic terrorists. Molon Labe  |
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There are reasons besides unlawful confiscations for burying or otherwise preserving your gun collection. For instance, after Katrina, there was a lot of looting and robberies. People who left their guns at home found them taken by thugs, either jack booted or otherwise. Any time you have to evacuate your home, you have a responsibility to make sure that your guns are secured such that they will still be there when you come home and that they do not fall into the hands of any kind of criminal. I have often suggested that all Americans should identify the means by which they would protect any of their property that they may not be able to take with them. If you have an impenetrable vault, lock your valuables in a vault. If you don't, you may want to consider burial or other means of hiding and protecting all of your valuables. You need to have identified your method of securing valuables and to have prepared the location long before any evacuation order comes. |
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Thanks for that Quarterbore. I had not seen that before. Now I ask where is Lou Dobbs? Where is O'Reilly? Where is the NRA? Where is the American Civil Liberties Union? Where is that lawyer who got that mans two rifles back and didn't file a case for violating this mans Constitutional Rights? In my mind what happened was a complete and total system breakdown. For all you guys who think your going to tell the Cops your "Gun Was Stolen"...your just telling the Cops "You Have a Gun"...... Your best off to deny any knowledge of gun ownership....unless you have a CCW, then you better own 1 gun.....and then choose which one of your weapons you can afford to be without. And remember, this all happened because of Katrina....I would say that was severe and extenuating circumstances. But yet, confiscating weapons without documentation and not giving receipts is as one poster said, "Given Illegal Orders"...meaning we are taking your personal property (weapons) without expecting to give them back. I guess we will never know if any of these people ever received justice for the action taken against them. |
Severe and extenuating circumstances are exactly the reasons we need our guns and should have those guns and for which those guns are constitutionally protected. And that's any severe and extenuating circumstances - with no definition required. Confiscating guns with documentation and even with giving receipts was unconstitutional. The order to do so was unconstitutional and illegal. The senior officers had an obligation to not give the order. Mid-grade and junior officers had an obligation to refuse to pass on the order. Squad leaders had an obligation to refuse to lead teams to carry out the order, and the soldiers had an obligation to refuse to confiscate legally owned guns in the United States of America. American National Guard troops were talking about and considering SHOOTING law abiding Americans! You should be terrified. |
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By the way, I looked up cosmoline on Wikipedia. The article says that the military is dropping cosmoline in favor of vacuum sealed PET film - such as Mylar bags. SorbentSystems has bags of all sizes and oxygen absorbers to go with them. I wonder how well that would work? Do any recent military folks have any experience with sealing weapons in Mylar? I haven't tried that but I do use their products for a lot of other emergency storage and long-term storage. |
Agreed, but IT DID HAPPEN and it happened in a place that was in a disaster that was actually predicted for many years. Imagine when it really could not have been predicted or worse people are not only dying because they are trapped but insted they are getting sick and dying because of what has them trapped and the level of stress increases way beyond that in Katrina. Also, remember Katrina was a local event. Just imagine an event that affects a bigger area like a very nasty world pandemic that kills some really high percentage of people and everybody is sick and nobody is working, nobody has food, and a few start using their guns to cause trouble. In that case, I could see .gov making a policy to collect guns especually in our liberal cities and I live in a part of the country (Philli PA) where the city is already pushing for ways to create illegal gun laws. Nobody here is suggesting you give up your only gun but your life expectancy against the system may well be extended if you prepare for the reality that you may well survive better if you do turn them over if you are at gunpoint. At that point, you may be glad you had a backup plan. I used to have much more trust in our country but our country failed us all and this will never happen to me. |
Nice knowing you...  There is a time and place to fight and there are cases where idiology will get you killed. If you kill a cop, even if they are enforcing an illegal law your life is over. |
Yeah your just asking for a world of hurt there...all you need do is say "I sold those a long time ago at a gun show or blah blah blah blah." End of story. And as long as they aren't registered weapons, who the heck (in government) knows what you or anyone else has anyway? |
I love liberty and freedom too...but taking on an army or PO'd cops or National Gaurdsman is ludicrous. Better to make for the hills and wait for shit to calm down. |
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1st question Are you all on DOPE? 2nd are you all stupid? 3rd or all just super paranoid? yes i am sure there are powers that would love to disarm all of america.to all the doom sayers all it does is drive the price of ammo up from all the paranoid ammo whores in here. posibilities and probabilities is it possible for them to take our guns ? at best not even a chance.probability . the same no damm way. for christ sake use some common sense. and if you dont like being called STUPID dont be STUPID but this is just my opinion |
Nope, I have seen it happen. Perhaps you should look outside of your bubble at what history teaches and apply that to the future. Stupidity is sticking your head in the sand and say it won't happen when it HAS HAPPENED!
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