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Posted: 9/12/2008 7:28:44 AM EDT
| Are COLTs the standard that all other Ar makers must try & obtain? I am trying to decide on my next AR & I am a RRA man, to me COLTs are not fit & finished as well as a RRA....why is COLT the best? |
They are generally thought of as the golden standard mainly because of their painstaking quality control measures as well as the materials that it is made of. Also, people argue that colts have all the desired features that you could ever ask for in a combat ready weapon. That being said, i own a smith and wesson
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| Colt is the standard. They may not be the prettiest in terms of finish, although they are usually quite nice in that regard. But they do quality tests and checks that no one other than FN makes. So while it may not be the prettiest on the rack, it IS made to the highest standard with the highest quality materials. And if you've looked around Colt does have the highest resell value too. There's a reason for that. |
They(COLT) are THE GOLD STANDARD ......"THE EVIL CHART" is nothing more or less than FACTS. I happen to own a few Bushmasters and a RRA along with Colts..If all you plan to do with an AR is let it sit in the safe and occasionally punch holes in paper, there aint .05 difference between them.....But when someone of the experience of Pat Rogers says not all AR's are made the same even though they look alike and some (..insert Bushy, RRA, S&W, Armalite, Oly) leave alot the be desired at a Carbine Course or past 10k rounds, I tend to take notice....Yeah, I own a few "middle tiers" and can admit their shortcomings. I also own a BMW and a Ford, and don't bash BMW and say how much better quality Ford is...cause it aint.
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First, I don't own any Colts and never have, so let's get that straight. I don't understand the bad rap about Colt's fit and finish. Every one I've seen recently has great fit and finish. If anyone's worried about it, then don't buy sight unseen. Honestly, I'd have no problem doing so. And IMHO that would not be a #1 criteria for an AR for me anyway. Okay, so brand X has prettier parking on the barrel. Whoop de do. That said, Colt is the standard. Can anyone make an intelligent argument that there's another that is now "the standard"? Sure some come close, some may even be equal. But there is no other "standard". |
| IMHO, Noveske. It matches the Colt in most areas. It is a well put together weapon and I like the quality of the parts, fit and finish and the machine gun thick chrome, which leads to longer barrel life. BUT...my 1 1/2 year Colt also has excellent fit and finish and no slop or play between upper and lower. Both have a tight fit. YMMV. |
Well honestly I think the Very Top quality companies are pretty well even. You can argue all day that Bushy, RRA, S&W, Armalite, Colt, LMT, Noveske, Larue, KAC(happy now) are the very best. It boils done to personals preference. Where one company prides itself on having the most customizable weapon while another company prides itself on quality and materials it uses over the another. NO ONE COMPANY WILL HAVE IT ALL. If that was the case then you would only have a very small handful of companies that produce it. A percent of the cost of the weapon is paying for the name as well as paying for the quality. You can both shout back and forth at each other about the materials that are used or how much one looks better than other. It is just as stupid as my dad can kick your dads ass, as long as it is a quality weapon and you can count on it to go boom when you need it too, then that is all that matters. No matter what you say to each other, that person is set on that company. You arguing with them is just a waste of time. Try to list the quality's of each companies weapon WITH OUT BASING the other and let that person decide what he needs, wants, and how much he wants to spend. AT LEAST THis KID IS DOING SOMETHING NOBLE, PEOPLE THAT ARGUE UNNECESSARY NEED TO TAKE A BREAK FROM THE INTERNET. CORRECTING A PERSON ON FALSE FACTS IS ONE THING, FIGHTING OVER WHO HAS THE BEST RIFLE IS RETARDED. http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9G_bHN97MpIybgApHajzbkF/SIG=12acd9ctb/EXP=1221344765/**http%3A//www.argaste.com/img/arguing_on_the_internet.jpg |
Not if they are still using Stag receivers. |
Fixed that for you. |
I wasn't aware that they did. Do you have a source or reference? |
To my knowledge, Stag was affiliated with S&W(which didn't help S&W), I may be wrong but, I don't know of a Stag/Noveske connection. |
Proves my point, you have a personal preference over those, sorry if i missed some of the other company's trying to keep my post short. Its fine you like those company's but trying to force your thoughts on someone which does nothing for the person asking for a unbiased opine. Again thanks for proving my point. I added it to my list, hope you feel better. |
It may not be the case now, but the first Noveske receivers were CMT/Stag. |
It's really not about me feeling better. It's more about stopping the spread of false information that all these platforms are created equal. If I remebr correctly you are the one from the other day who said your unit got a bunch of defective Colt rifles and that the Army should have gone with RRA for the contract. Some of your other comments have lead me to believ that you really do not know what you are talking about on this subject. Not trying to call you out, just saying get educated on it and do some real research before you start handing out advice. So once again there is personal preference and there is the cold hard facts. The rifles I listed before are the best and all the others can be ranked in any order you chose below them. |
OK here you go... 
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O my the evil cart. hock.gif Well considering yours are one of the older charts it not the best of what the company's produce of late. Just as you can post a chart so can I, but again it boils down to what you find is important. I posted my charts so i must know exectaly what everyone wants gees I am so smart. http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/rob_s/Charts/080904-AR15-Chart-FEATURES.jpg http://i34.tinypic.com/15mfmep.jpg |
VERY NICE... Aside from that BS post a couple of days ago, how (I'm paraphrasing here)"your unit fixed shoddy Colt parts in their M4's with top notch RRA stuff, and The DoD should go all RRA.".....I still call that total BS.. Your chart is very good factual and not "bashing" any particular company...HECK! It's a great advertisment for Colt.
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Well considering yours are one of the older charts it not the best of what the company's produce of late. Just as you can post a chart so can I, but again it boils down to what you find is important. I posted my charts so i must know exectaly what everyone wants gees I am so smart. 
Ok, I don't know why I even bother, maybe because I have a ton of free time tonite......... I understand completely what you are saying about perosonal preference. If certain features are not important to a person then so be it. The fact is that there are "teirs" of quality. Colt, LMT, Noveske, Larue, KAC are the top. Bushy and some others are in the middle. DPMS, Olympic and some others are at the bottom. It's personal prefence that will tell you what level of AR you want to buy and own. Personal preference does not determine who is the best. Hope this clears things up for you. |
I wish you guys would immeadiately post these charts whenever this topic comes up, right off the bat!|
I am not upset at all, been drinking here Peace- happy drinking http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/eatdrink007.gif |
Huge +1.. ..Some just don't grasp that concept..Normally I wouldn't bother with such foolishness either...Just happen to be home bored, hoping power stays on, riding out Hurricane Ike...
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Good luck, stay safe down there! |
| Colt is not the standard. The government set the standards by which the contractor(s) must build their weapons. FN USA is held by the same standards. Anyone who supplies weaponry under a government contract is bound by their standards. That said, does anyone who builds a AR without all those specs build a lesser weapon? I say no. It is proven that certain compenents (bolts) that undergo additional processes are going to fair better in the long run. I have several quality built ARs that I would put up against a Colt and they would probably perform just as well. That would mean that my weapons performed at government standards, not Colt's. Fortunately for the civilian, the same standards for manufacturing Colt's military weapons, flows into the LE/civilian products. It is more feasible to use the same material and equipment for both product lines. I own two older Colts (1977 SP-1 and a 1993 MH6601) that are beautiful. They are safe queens. I would like to own a 6920 at some point just to have one to add to the collection. |
haha, you post a pic of a retarted kid and make a witty comment about arguing on the internet, yet what are you doing??...arguing on the internet. how ironic  |
Actually, Colt developed the TDP for the government through R&D. The gov't standard is Colt's standard. |
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Holy Jebus, you guys sure are stuck on the idea that you can argue you reverse engineered ARs into being just as good, or better than the original. 1. My Colts, and the ones at the dealer have excellent finish. 2. Pat Rogers knows what works under hard use better than any of us, and he has stated that Colt IS the standard. (NOTE; he didn't say WAS) 3. If you want to compare Colt to another maker, choose one that is making at least 3/4 the number that Colt's production plant has to put out each month. Or forget using "fit & finish" as a standard. |
Your chart is pretty good but a bit wrong, Colt also offers a lifetime warrenty. If you notice one thing, it is this, The top makers are very closely priced, guess those couple of top spots cost a bit extra after all. |
| Like I said to each their own, if a person feels they will need those extra features for what they want to accomplish then great. If those are not what you need then there is no need to spend the extra money on them. If a person has a ton of money and wants to get everything possible for his money even though he will never uses it then that his choice. But those who have a budget and need to stick with, then he many not want those extra features which push him over budget. Its like buying a huge truck for no reason other then to look cool, verses to buy the huge truck to be a working truck. |
I look at it the other way. None of those features on the Colt are "extra" features. Those are the features that this type of rifle are supposed to have. If you feel you do not want a product that is up to spec/standards then you may choose to go with a lesser product. |
OWNED!!...HUGE+1 END OF STORY  ...Of course The Navy Seals, Green Berets, and Black Op CIA Spooks that frequent this board..Will all say, "Pat Who?"
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Use defines the NEED for the extra features. Some users REQUIRE the ultimate in reliability. Many AR ASSEMBLERS don't give you that. What's the consequence of a misfeed due to an improperly staked carrier when you are punching paper? That being said, you can build a Colt-like reliable rifle using the best of Colt parts without all the Colt fluff (ie: prancing pony logo'd stuff) and likely be well under the higher price tags. I, for one, base almost all my utility builds on a Colt chrome lined barrel, a Colt bolt and select fire control group components. The rest of the parts can be bought for much less than Colt parts with LITTLE OR NO COMPROMISE in quality or durability. |
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