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Posted: 7/17/2021 11:18:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver: One of the first 500 M4s in service. Sequence started at W000001. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_8539_JPG-2016436.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_8544_JPG-2016437.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_8545_JPG-2016438.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_8546_JPG-2016439.JPG CD That grip is worn down to a gloss and still going! |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 8/18/2021 11:33:00 AM EDT
[Last Edit: JBecker_72]
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PA, USA
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Posted: 8/18/2021 3:12:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver: One of the first 500 M4s in service. Sequence started at W000001. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_8539_JPG-2016436.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_8544_JPG-2016437.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_8545_JPG-2016438.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_8546_JPG-2016439.JPG CD they look right. that petina. |
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Posted: 8/18/2021 3:28:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HaveBlue83: W000004, and 19 are in the BSTB 94TH BSB at polk. i had pics of them...A2 carry handle, colt gray upper/lower, gooseneck and comp m2 on em. was amazing. they look right. that petina. Heard less than a 1000 of the M4 had fixed carrying handle CD |
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Posted: 8/18/2021 9:04:04 PM EDT
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Colt 6920 with a Colt SOCOM barrel and set up as a Block 1/MWS clone with an RMR on a T.Rex mount as an addition.
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Posted: 8/19/2021 10:27:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HaveBlue83: W000004, and 19 are in the BSTB 94TH BSB at polk. i had pics of them...A2 carry handle, colt gray upper/lower, gooseneck and comp m2 on em. was amazing. they look right. that petina. @HaveBlue83 those pics would be the Holy Grail of M4 builds. I have a 4 marked upper and AH forging I am using for the build. But if they are Cerro forge like 489, I am going to need to correct the lower. @Combat_Diver - also heard the first 1000 M4s were fixed handle, but none have ever been documented and if those pics can be posted, we will have greater certainty about that claim. |
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Posted: 8/19/2021 11:32:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HenryKnoxFineBooks: @HaveBlue83 those pics would be the Holy Grail of M4 builds. I have a 4 marked upper and AH forging I am using for the build. But if they are Cerro forge like 489, I am going to need to correct the lower. @Combat_Diver - also heard the first 1000 M4s were fixed handle, but none have ever been documented and if those pics can be posted, we will have greater certainty about that claim. Next time I am at my friend's house, i will ask to take a picture of his picture with a fixed carry handle M4. He was issued it in 97 at Fort Hood because he was a driver for some general. |
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Posted: 8/20/2021 12:07:12 PM EDT
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Thanks - there would be a great deal of interest in it as to hown close it was to the late XM4s, so as much detail as possible would be helpful.
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Posted: 8/21/2021 1:19:05 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/21/2021 11:11:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TrucksAndGuns]
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Both of these have 14.5" SOCOM profile barrels with pin and weld extended flash hiders.
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Posted: 8/22/2021 2:52:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HenryKnoxFineBooks: Thanks - there would be a great deal of interest in it as to hown close it was to the late XM4s, so as much detail as possible would be helpful. He said no, he doesn't want his personal picture floating around the internet. But, he was of some kind of help hopefully. He said fixed carry handle A2 upper, CAR stock, and double heat shield handguards. Not sure if that helps you though. Sorry. |
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Posted: 8/23/2021 8:22:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jonny1904: He said no, he doesn't want his personal picture floating around the internet. But, he was of some kind of help hopefully. He said fixed carry handle A2 upper, CAR stock, and double heat shield handguards. Not sure if that helps you though. Sorry. Appreciate the effort, but that really is already what many of us we assume. A pic would hopefully let us verify what are really at this point just assumptions. The photos we have of early XM4s do not have any marking over the gas tube entrance. We are wanting to know at what point the 4 marking appeared, and if it appeared on the early M4, or did it have a m4 marking with fixed handle. Some prople who said they were issued M4s with fixed handle, actually carried civilian model 727s that the Army procured in the early 1990s. Without good pics, we really are not sure it is a US Property marked M4 with fixed handle. Now that time has passed, and those weapons have been rebuilt at least once, a photo of an as issued M4 with fixed handle from the 1990s is really valuable for the historical record. |
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Posted: 8/26/2021 9:37:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HenryKnoxFineBooks: Appreciate the effort, but that really is already what many of us we assume. A pic would hopefully let us verify what are really at this point just assumptions. The photos we have of early XM4s do not have any marking over the gas tube entrance. We are wanting to know at what point the 4 marking appeared, and if it appeared on the early M4, or did it have a m4 marking with fixed handle. Some prople who said they were issued M4s with fixed handle, actually carried civilian model 727s that the Army procured in the early 1990s. Without good pics, we really are not sure it is a US Property marked M4 with fixed handle. Now that time has passed, and those weapons have been rebuilt at least once, a photo of an as issued M4 with fixed handle from the 1990s is really valuable for the historical record. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HenryKnoxFineBooks: Originally Posted By Jonny1904: He said no, he doesn't want his personal picture floating around the internet. But, he was of some kind of help hopefully. He said fixed carry handle A2 upper, CAR stock, and double heat shield handguards. Not sure if that helps you though. Sorry. Appreciate the effort, but that really is already what many of us we assume. A pic would hopefully let us verify what are really at this point just assumptions. The photos we have of early XM4s do not have any marking over the gas tube entrance. We are wanting to know at what point the 4 marking appeared, and if it appeared on the early M4, or did it have a m4 marking with fixed handle. Some prople who said they were issued M4s with fixed handle, actually carried civilian model 727s that the Army procured in the early 1990s. Without good pics, we really are not sure it is a US Property marked M4 with fixed handle. Now that time has passed, and those weapons have been rebuilt at least once, a photo of an as issued M4 with fixed handle from the 1990s is really valuable for the historical record. He said if it helps, the selector was Safe, Semi, and Burst and was marked XM4 Carbine. Surely there had to be a manifest from Colt, sending some to Fort Hood to confirm? |
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Posted: 8/26/2021 11:04:00 AM EDT
[Last Edit: HenryKnoxFineBooks]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jonny1904: He said if it helps, the selector was Safe, Semi, and Burst and was marked XM4 Carbine. Surely there had to be a manifest from Colt, sending some to Fort Hood to confirm? Thanks again for following up on this. We are lucky that the project manager for the M16A2 is a member here and he also started the XM4 project, so we have a good view of the early days when the XM4 had the earlier style handguards, two position stock and no feedramps.  We also have a member who has documented many of the weapons he has run across as he does repair, and M4 #489 was seen, but after its rebuild into a M4A1.  Attached FileThere is debate over in retro land about the first 1000 M4s when they were fielded in 1995. I'm on the side of those who think the first 1000 would have had the fixed carry handle like the A2 and would be the first W000001 to W001000 SN weapons. The Army just goes by NSN - a M4 is a M4, is a M4 no matter the later modification. Memories fade over time, and there is a case of one of the operators who was at the Desert One operation in 1980 that says he carried a M4 Carbine - which we know from the historical record did not yet exist. That is why the visual documentation is so vital. The later XM4 had the double heat shield handguards, 4 position stock, and M4 feedramps, so one item of interest is if the first M4s were just like that but with the M4 Carbine roll mark with the Wxxxxxx SN. |
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Posted: 8/26/2021 2:35:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HenryKnoxFineBooks: Thanks again for following up on this. We are lucky that the project manager for the M16A2 is a member here and he also started the XM4 project, so we have a good view of the early days when the XM4 had the earlier style handguards, two position stock and no feedramps. https://i.imgur.com/SqmLBKp_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium We also have a member who has documented many of the weapons he has run across as he does repair, and M4 #489 was seen, but after its rebuild into a M4A1. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/180398/m4colt489_JPG-2066689.JPG There is debate over in retro land about the first 1000 M4s when they were fielded in 1995. I'm on the side of thise who think the first 1000 would have had the fixed carry handle like the A2 and would be the first W000001 to W001000 SN weapons. The Army just goes by NSN - a M4 is a M4, is a M4 no matter the later modification. Memories fade over time, and there is a case of one of the operators who was at the Desert One operation in 1980 that says he carried a M4 Carbine - which we know from the historical record did not yet exist. That is why the visual documentation is so vital. The later XM4 had the double heat shield handguards, 4 position stock, and M4 feedramps, so one item of interest is if the first M4s were just like that but with the M4 Carbine roll mark with the Wxxxxxx SN. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HenryKnoxFineBooks: Originally Posted By Jonny1904: He said if it helps, the selector was Safe, Semi, and Burst and was marked XM4 Carbine. Surely there had to be a manifest from Colt, sending some to Fort Hood to confirm? Thanks again for following up on this. We are lucky that the project manager for the M16A2 is a member here and he also started the XM4 project, so we have a good view of the early days when the XM4 had the earlier style handguards, two position stock and no feedramps. https://i.imgur.com/SqmLBKp_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium We also have a member who has documented many of the weapons he has run across as he does repair, and M4 #489 was seen, but after its rebuild into a M4A1. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/180398/m4colt489_JPG-2066689.JPG There is debate over in retro land about the first 1000 M4s when they were fielded in 1995. I'm on the side of thise who think the first 1000 would have had the fixed carry handle like the A2 and would be the first W000001 to W001000 SN weapons. The Army just goes by NSN - a M4 is a M4, is a M4 no matter the later modification. Memories fade over time, and there is a case of one of the operators who was at the Desert One operation in 1980 that says he carried a M4 Carbine - which we know from the historical record did not yet exist. That is why the visual documentation is so vital. The later XM4 had the double heat shield handguards, 4 position stock, and M4 feedramps, so one item of interest is if the first M4s were just like that but with the M4 Carbine roll mark with the Wxxxxxx SN. That's is so cool to know, thanks! Only other thing I could offer up from our exchanges, was that he said that it had multiple stock positions but I didn't know that it was an actual important detail that was relevant. My apologies for the ignorance on my part. The other two details I had left out because I didn't think it t was noteworthy, was that he mentioned that everyone had a hard time zeroing because they were not use to the shorter sight radius. And when he got orders for Hawaii, everyone in his division had M-16A2's with Aimpoint's on goosenecks and only later did they turn them in for M-4's with waffle stocks and KAC quads with an Aimpoint and a PEQ2. |
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Posted: 9/19/2021 11:14:10 PM EDT
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LE6920/6921
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Posted: 9/20/2021 12:37:42 PM EDT
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Colt OEM-2 upper.
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Posted: 9/20/2021 12:55:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By samuse: Colt OEM-2 upper. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/278546/11D3DF5B-A2BA-4B7C-B395-AE59AECFE434-2098180.jpg Man, that fucker looks loooong in that pic.  @samuse What FH is that? Smith Vortex? |
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Posted: 9/20/2021 1:22:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tigwelder1971: Man, that fucker looks loooong in that pic. @samuse What FH is that? Smith Vortex? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tigwelder1971: Originally Posted By samuse: Colt OEM-2 upper. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/278546/11D3DF5B-A2BA-4B7C-B395-AE59AECFE434-2098180.jpg Man, that fucker looks loooong in that pic. @samuse What FH is that? Smith Vortex? Yep. Regular Smith Vortex. I’ve had them mistaken for 18” uppers several times. |
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Posted: 9/20/2021 2:50:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By samuse: Yep. Regular Smith Vortex. I’ve had them mistaken for 18” uppers several times. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By samuse: Originally Posted By Tigwelder1971: Originally Posted By samuse: Colt OEM-2 upper. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/278546/11D3DF5B-A2BA-4B7C-B395-AE59AECFE434-2098180.jpg Man, that fucker looks loooong in that pic. @samuse What FH is that? Smith Vortex? Yep. Regular Smith Vortex. I’ve had them mistaken for 18” uppers several times. Thanks man. |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 9/22/2021 10:34:22 AM EDT
[Last Edit: waldoman]
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Carried W424600 as my own for 3 years. Anyway to find out when it was made? I know it’s still chugging along with the next Joe. The 550 cord securing SI takes me back.
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Posted: 9/23/2021 3:47:37 AM EDT
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 My new Colt LE6920-EPR CK Enhanced Patrol Rifle Conversion Kit upper half, it came with the 13.5 inch Centurion Arms CMR M-LOK rail system but I changed it to a current model Centurion longer 15 inch rail. My lower half is an older Colt LE6920 marked "M4 Carbine" with Colt ambi selector, Magpul MOE K-2 grip and B5 Systems Enhanced SOPMOD stock. |
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Posted: 9/24/2021 10:52:45 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/25/2021 6:07:30 AM EDT
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NV, USA
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Posted: 9/29/2021 7:39:48 PM EDT
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 My oldest M4 carbine Colt SP6920 marked "Sporter M4 Carbine" made in 2011 and Colt LE6920-EPR CK Enhanced Patrol Rifle conversion kit upper half 16 inch M4 barrel with Centurion Arms CMR M-LOK 13.5 inch handguard. Components shown are Scalarworks fix front sight, BCM M-LOK rail panels, Troy rear folding sight, Geissele super charging ambi handle, Vortex Sparc AR optic, LMT ambi selector, B5 Systems coyote grip (more upright angle), B5 Bravo SOPMOD coyote buttstock, Vickers - BFG 2 point coyote sling and PMAG gen 3 medium coyote tan. |
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Posted: 10/4/2021 10:35:51 AM EDT
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NV, USA
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Posted: 10/4/2021 10:57:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Spatten]
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A couple of Colts that have been P/W to 16. Both of these have a gov profile barrel and are so handy and lightweight. The A2 receiver is marked "4" above the gas tube and has the M4 ramps cut.
  
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VA, USA
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Posted: 10/5/2021 10:51:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Spatten: A couple of Colts that have been P/W to 16. Both of these have a gov profile barrel and are so handy and lightweight. The A2 receiver is marked "4" above the gas tube and has the M4 ramps cut. https://i.imgur.com/8YL9JIbh.jpg https://i.imgur.com/vdZ75bsh.jpg https://i.imgur.com/uEQBywVh.jpg |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 10/7/2021 10:59:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Alpha-Romeo3]
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 Same Colt M4 carbine as my 9/29 post except with new BCM KAG M-LOK hand stop. ETA: Geissele 2 stage trigger |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 10/31/2021 9:21:43 PM EDT
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 Installed my Surefire Scout M600U light with a Haley Strategic Thorntail6 M-LOK offset light mount, Arisaka finger stop and Magpul rail covers on my Colt LE6920-EPR CK upper half. |
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 11/1/2021 4:17:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Grs13bravo]
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Anyone know the approximate date of a W245991 serial number? That was my service rifle... rack number 69
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Posted: 11/1/2021 8:07:54 PM EDT
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PA, USA
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Posted: 11/3/2021 9:45:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: HaveBlue83]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HenryKnoxFineBooks: Thanks again for following up on this. We are lucky that the project manager for the M16A2 is a member here and he also started the XM4 project, so we have a good view of the early days when the XM4 had the earlier style handguards, two position stock and no feedramps. https://i.imgur.com/SqmLBKp_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium We also have a member who has documented many of the weapons he has run across as he does repair, and M4 #489 was seen, but after its rebuild into a M4A1. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/180398/m4colt489_JPG-2066689.JPG There is debate over in retro land about the first 1000 M4s when they were fielded in 1995. I'm on the side of those who think the first 1000 would have had the fixed carry handle like the A2 and would be the first W000001 to W001000 SN weapons. The Army just goes by NSN - a M4 is a M4, is a M4 no matter the later modification. Memories fade over time, and there is a case of one of the operators who was at the Desert One operation in 1980 that says he carried a M4 Carbine - which we know from the historical record did not yet exist. That is why the visual documentation is so vital. The later XM4 had the double heat shield handguards, 4 position stock, and M4 feedramps, so one item of interest is if the first M4s were just like that but with the M4 Carbine roll mark with the Wxxxxxx SN. M4 Carbine W000004? W000009? AND possibly W000019? (i am positive one was under 10) were seen by myself as a 45B back in 2009 in 94TH BSB...HHC, BSTB Arms room at Fort Polk, LA. I had to do a T.I. and handled them in awe...the Armorer didnt even care about the SN. they were: -Colt gray, not black-A2 carry handle -I think Thinner hg, but i cannot find my pics...they were on a flip phone -goosenecks were added with aimpoints. |
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Posted: 12/5/2021 7:38:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: cole4544]
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Posted: 12/6/2021 11:33:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HaveBlue83: M4 Carbine W000004? W000009? AND possibly W000019? (i am positive one was under 10) were seen by myself as a 45B back in 2009 in 94TH BSB...HHC, BSTB Arms room at Fort Polk, LA. I had to do a T.I. and handled them in awe...the Armorer didnt even care about the SN. they were: -Colt gray, not black-A2 carry handle -I think Thinner hg, but i cannot find my pics...they were on a flip phone -goosenecks were added with aimpoints. @HaveBlue83 Like this?  Attached File |
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Posted: 12/6/2021 4:59:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HenryKnoxFineBooks: @HaveBlue83 Like this? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/180398/M4early_JPG-2194217.JPG |
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Posted: 12/6/2021 5:33:56 PM EDT
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 New Acog |
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Posted: 12/7/2021 12:41:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HaveBlue83: spot on! thats them. ill never forget it. i wush i had pics but that old flip phone is long gone I wish you had pics, too. Do you remember any markings on the front of the upper above the opening for the gas tube? |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 12/19/2021 2:08:26 PM EDT
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NV, USA
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Posted: 12/23/2021 10:12:18 PM EDT
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 My same carbine I posted on 10/31 Colt SP6920 Sporter M4 carbine with Colt LE6920-EPR CK conversion kit upper half now with new Magpul FDE M-LOK rail panels.  This is my other upper half original factory 6920 M4 carbine with Knight's Armament M4 RAS rails, Magpul covers & hand stop, KAC 300M BUIS & Aimpoint M2 on LaRue Tactical cantilever QD lever mount. Happy holidays! |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 12/24/2021 2:55:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HenryKnoxFineBooks: I wish you had pics, too. Do you remember any markings on the front of the upper above the opening for the gas tube? |
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Posted: 12/24/2021 4:17:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Vehemence]
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Posted: 1/16/2022 2:28:55 PM EDT
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On the fence whether I want to do a Block 1.5 with the new carbine, or find an old M4S and make an as-issued M4A1 out of it.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 2/19/2022 4:53:19 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/19/2022 5:16:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ArizonaRifleman]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ThatGuy91K: Before https://i.imgur.com/ALQlVGP.jpeg After https://i.imgur.com/xhvB994.jpeg Very nice. How did the rezeroing of that iron, laser, ACOG, and RMR thingy go  ?
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TX, USA
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Posted: 2/19/2022 5:38:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jonny1904: Very nice. How did the rezeroing of that iron, laser, ACOG, and RMR thingy go ?Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jonny1904: Originally Posted By ThatGuy91K: Before https://i.imgur.com/ALQlVGP.jpeg After https://i.imgur.com/xhvB994.jpeg Very nice. How did the rezeroing of that iron, laser, ACOG, and RMR thingy go ?Literally just finished bolting everything up. It only took 4 broken punches, 2 trips to Lowes and an ER visit to get the front sight post off. I've taken dozens of front sight posts off at work and it usually takes 3 or 4 good whacks with a 2.5lb hammer and a punch and they will break loose. I had to break out the Dremel and it still was a bitch to get those bastards out. The guy who installs BCM's taper pins is a sadistic mo-fo. I'm going to try and get out to the range tomorrow and get it back dialed in before the weather turns bad again. |
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Posted: 3/13/2022 1:39:01 PM EDT
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bttt
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Posted: 3/14/2022 12:02:45 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Alpha-Romeo3]
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 Same M4 carbine I posted on 12/23/2021 Colt marked "Sporter M4 Carbine" SP6920 lower half, Geissele G2S trigger with LE6920-EPR CK (Enhanced Patrol Rifle) conversion kit upper half. Now with my practice and plinking optic Swampfox Arrowhead 1-6X24mm illuminated, BDC, SFP, MOA on Warne aluminum cantilever QD lever mount. Edited to correct typo. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 3/16/2022 1:36:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: northcoastwizard]
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Bump
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Posted: 3/27/2022 8:01:43 PM EDT
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Does this count?
DSA M4 profile barreled upper built by Retro Arms. The rest is Larue and Magpul with assorted odds and ends.  Attached File |
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