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3/27/2008 10:34:21 AM EDT
Article

This isn't what your drill sergeant learned - overall
Photo by Mike A. Glasch, Fort Jackson Leader

March 27, 2008

With drill sergeants watching their every move, Soldiers from Co. C, 2nd Bn., 39th Inf. Reg., move and fire down Range 10 during an experimental Basic Rifle Marksmanship qualification course Wednesday


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3/27/2008 10:52:56 AM EDT
[#1]
Nice article, thanks for posting it. Wish they had that sort of qualification range back in my day.
3/27/2008 11:54:06 AM EDT
[#2]
Agreed, it's a great article.  Sounds like an interesting idea, and would make qualification even more fun.
3/27/2008 12:29:47 PM EDT
[#3]
It's basically the Army finally catching up with updated techniques and teaching "Gunfighting" vs Qualifying.

About time.....
3/27/2008 12:35:18 PM EDT
[#4]
tag
3/27/2008 12:41:10 PM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
It's basically the Army finally catching up with updated techniques and teaching "Gunfighting" vs Qualifying.

About time.....




Agreed........Big +1
3/27/2008 1:10:27 PM EDT
[#6]
In before some Marine says they've been doing that since Belleau Wood.
3/27/2008 1:12:04 PM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:
It's basically the Army finally catching up with updated techniques and teaching "Gunfighting" vs Qualifying.

About time.....


Now if they would update SPORTS it would be truely 'modernized'.
3/27/2008 1:14:31 PM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:
Now if they would update SPORTS it would be truely 'modernized'.


I’m curious. How so?
3/27/2008 1:16:20 PM EDT
[#9]
We have been doing that since BEFORE Belleau Wood.
3/27/2008 1:33:42 PM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Now if they would update SPORTS it would be truely 'modernized'.


I’m curious. How so?


SPORTS requires you 'Observe' (tough to do at night anyway) as part of a 'diagnostic'.

The carbine instruction I've recevied indicates this is a waste of time.  Roll the carbine, Rack the charging handle a couple of times and you're good to go 99% of the time.  It's faster than SPORTS and easier to do.
3/27/2008 1:39:31 PM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:
SPORTS requires you 'Observe' (tough to do at night anyway) as part of a 'diagnostic'.

The carbine instruction I've recevied indicates this is a waste of time.  Roll the carbine, Rack the charging handle a couple of times and you're good to go 99% of the time.  It's faster than SPORTS and easier to do.


Gotcha.
3/27/2008 7:46:22 PM EDT
[#12]
What was old is new again, yet again.  

I've been researching Army qualification standards going back to 1900. This is nothing new. They had an assault course table as part of the qualification since at least the 1908 Springfield manual. Last time they had it was in FM 23-8 U.S. Rifle, Cal 7.62mm, M-14 – 1974.

Interesting article. Thanks for posting.

B



3/27/2008 7:58:11 PM EDT
[#13]
more like...about time....
3/28/2008 5:12:19 AM EDT
[#14]
MOS2111


  We have been doing that since BEFORE Belleau Wood.
 


Hey Gyrene.. you jarheads have been in the same boat as us Dogfaces and the Corp just recently (last few years) started to teach gunfighting and incorporated it into a table...

Seems everybody relearns hard lesson when ther is a war on......

I could see Modifying Sports.. I always thought the "Observe" part was a waste of time if your trying to get back in the fight. Tap..Rack..Back... Fast, non diagnostic and clears pretty much all Type 1 Malfuctions and gets you back in the fight..

And how many have you were taught  to clear Type 2 and 3 Malfuction by Big Green???

Not a lot...

It's a step in the right direction.


Now about Pistol training.............
3/28/2008 5:20:35 AM EDT
[#15]
excellent, glad to see there moving forward and updating some of the basic training to match the changing times
3/28/2008 5:35:02 AM EDT
[#16]
It should always be that way.

Target shoot to get used to the rifle and it's sights in basic, battle training like this from then on.

There is a big difference between the two.
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