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Posted: 1/19/2008 9:53:24 PM EDT
My next build is going to be an IDF "clone". I use the term loosely, because it will probably be an A1 with a deflector (where else am I gonna put the tactical velcro?  ).It will most likely be a CMMG light weight that will eventually get chopped. Which leads me to my question... Why all the 13in A1s in the IDF? (Pics cropped to avoid starting one of "those" threads here)  
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M-16 is cal .223 Take 223 minus barrel length of 13 = 213 2+1+3 = 6 Star of David has six points FTW |
what grade did you finish in school? 223-13 is 210, not 213. Call me captain obvious but damn. |
Or 556 - 13 = 543 5 + 4 + 3 = 12 12 Apostles 543_ next in sequence is 2 12 / 2 = 6 6 = star of david 5432_ next in sequence is 1 1 + 6 = 7 God created the heavens and the earth and rested in 7 days Therefore HILARY CLINTON IS THE ANTICHRIST!!! |
at least your math checks out
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I believe I read that the reason for the 13" barrel was that it allowed them to cut down A1 barrels to right behind the original gas port, thus shortening the barrel. I believe they were trying, as best they could, to make 653's out of their old M16's, but 14.5" would not have worked because of the A1's gas port location. I guess there was enough meat on the barrel to place the FSB back as well, either that, or I'm sure the Israelis got creative, and found a way to make it work. Unfortunately, I have no documentation for this, I'm going by hearsay based on things I've read on this very board, so take it as you will, but it makes sense to me. HTH, ~Augee ETA: Perhaps this can save this thread from the GD! I'd like to hear more about it too, as like I said, I have no documentation or confirmation!
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I was so excited that I lost it...Oh well... 
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Sorry guys, feeling a bit silly tonight... didnt mean to screw the thread.
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ALRIGHT... I apologized, what more do you want me to say man... ETA: And for what it's worth I also apologized to the OP via IM |
retro forum I think this was what agee was talking about... The airline I work for flys into Israel, I will speak with our sales manager and see if it's ok to speak w/ our contact there which is former massad. If I find anything out I'll let you know. |
Thank You. 
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Huh? Those pics are the first I've ever seen of such, and they appear to be of the same rifle; based on the patches showing on the sling. The cut down A1 seems to be a good possibility. And oh, BTW, the patches on the sling seem to indicate that the holder of the piece is not IDF, but Border Patrol. If so, he's probably an Arab (Druse or Christian) They make up the bulk of the Border police. |
Randall modifies his cut-down barrels in a way to 'support' the FH - so they could have done the same thing to get that flare. I can see the IDF chopping barrels that had poor specs/erosion at the crown but still had a usable throat and usable barrel. It seems like the most logical explanation to me...or maybe they just figured 13 was bad luck to their enemies?  Regardless, I like the look of the 13" carbines a lot. I know, I know - now someone is going to bring up velocity...
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13" is 35 percent off of 20 inches. I have to be careful here...so I will. A former girlfriend of mine, who is Jewish, said "I'm Jewish! won't buy anything unless it's 35 percent off!" She had quite a sense of humor about it. She knew more Jewish jokes than I even knew existed.  CJ |
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I don't think the IDF cares about velocity differences of 200ft. Its all urban with those shorties anyway. I would love a 13 but will settle for a 16. Not worth 200 for cool factor to me. |
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