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Posted: 1/13/2008 9:38:23 AM EDT
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Who dose this type of refinishing? I would like to know what a good place is to send a gun for ACU pattern refinishing, duracoat or other. |
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That multicam stuff looks like a step backwards. The ACU pattern was selected because the pixel design blends in better than lines or globs of different color. It is also issued to us as a universal uniform for all environments. This way they dont have to issue different color uniforms like Desert, woodland, and snow. Just because in the pictures it looks like it blends in well because they chose or made a color that matches dosent mean one uniform will preform as well as ACU pattern everywhere. The army is NOT going to pay to replace all the millions of uniforms, knee and elbow pads, assault packs, rucksacks, FLC, magazine pouches, grenade pouches, canteen pouches, Kevlar covers, IBA covers, Sleeping bag systems, and everything else we are issued in ACU pattern right now. It would cost probably hundreds of billions to change camo, shit aint cheap. |
But they're already doing that by buying ACU... 
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They just started issuing ACU pattern two years ago...... My last deployment was the first time the army deployed in ACU uniform, The people we replaced were wearing desert camo. They arent going to change it again anytime soon. |
Fortunately, yes they are replacing it. ACU sucks the big one. Just because Multicam is a mottled print and not a digital does not mean it is a step backwards. The stuff works in more areas then ACU, and thats the only reason you should choose a camo, for its effectiveness. The only place it works well as stated is on a rock quarry or on the moon. I mean come on, it looks blue for Gods sake! What the hell in the woodline is blue? Scott |
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If the army wastes more money on our uniforms and dosent replace the piece of shit M16A2 rifles still in our arms room im going to get pissed off. With the wars we are fighting camo is the last thing you should be worried about. Its not hard to tell who we are, the guys in the hummve or FMTV. |
You so funny.
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Everyone wants the M4 and thats what they should have because we are redeploying to Iraq where we will be kicking in doors, patrols, QRF. |
In that case, I hope you get those M4s, and good luck. |
| Camo works great until your engaged..then it doesnt matter cause you know where the enemy is and he with you...until they start issuing something that looks like what the predator used to conceal himself.And on the same topic you could be all camoed up and it wont matter when the rifle you carry is a big black stick..no one pattern will do and what ever is picked the rifle needs to be camoed as well. |
They have and they will again. Go through the history of the uniform since WWI....it's changed more than a woman's mind  .
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You can see alot of pictures of it, Here     |
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Great discussions here. ACU is perfect for high desert sage brush in south Idaho. Not too good anywhere else. Saying that camo does not matter while engaged is false. While it may not hide you, it may make the sweet spot harder to pick out if you blend. We deployed with woodland IBA. We were issued 3 color desert covers in country because the green was giving the enemy a reference. Right under the green IBA. OUCH. The military does not care about wasting money on new uniforms. Look at the F!@#$%g Air Forces new abortion of a uniform. I am embarrassed to ever wear that thing. They also took Army patches away from those of us that earn them since Vietnam. thanks for the VENT. |
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having been around the Army for over 32 years I have seen the bad policy practice time and again. The worst in my mind was the millions spent to get a class A uniform in one shade darker with no other major changes. I had to buy a complete new uniform even though my old one was completely servicable. Getting ACU's (wearing them as we speak in Korea) was premature because they did not have enough for everyone and my trip to the desert (3rd) was in DCU's (good uniform) and transitioned to ACU's. Initial thoughts were bad but getting to like them more and more and even thought of paining one of my AR's up like this tread says. The pattern is going to be a tough one to replicate and even though Korea is a leader in garment industry I have seen precious few ACU accesories on the streets of Korea. I could not get a field jacket in ACU from clothing sales, (BO for over 18 months) So I ordered one from Barre VT Surplus made in China and pretty good quality. My biggest complaint and a real step backwards is that I can not sew my wings on and I will not pin anything on a tactical uniform. |
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http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b89/AmericanSniper/RangersMulticam2.jpg Nevermind the blank firing fixtures...why does that 1 guy have an xbox360 controller? Microsoft doing military contracts now? |
Most likely playing with a robot or camera, probably the robot in the other pic below that one. |
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The Universal Camouflage Pattern (ACU) works in a LOT more situations than people give it credit for. Basically any place that isn't a jungle finds UCP will be better than Woodland. Sure desert specific patterns are better in a 100% sand environment and predominantly green patterns are better in non-desert locations, but with one pattern you cut the size of your clothing bag in half. Even in an urban desert setting, I opine that UCP is better than 3-color desert. If you change camouflage patterns, you don't just change the soldier's 4 issued uniforms. For starters, you need to change his OCIE, thousands of dollars for each soldier. The Army is now issuing the 7 piece cold weather system they just designed. Almost every piece of that system would need to be replaced if we changed patterns again. IBA covers used to be $600 apiece, not sure what they're running now. Probably more since the new IBA is WAY more complex to sew. Then, you have unit equipment issued to the soldier. Stuff like radios, GPS units, crew served weapon pouches and such. Most of those things are just being issued in UCP. If i'm just seeing those items it means the conversion is probably almost complete. At least the Army didn't make us buy foliage green boots though. |
| This is one of those times in history where the USMC got the advantage on gear over the sister services. A true woodland digital and a true desert digital. Color shared by both... Coyote, so make gear in Coyote to share among the two. A mesely two styles of uniform and one set of gear. Rather simple. Plus... the camo works! |
Since when did Rangers start using Multicam? |
im pretty sure they're just testing the whole future soldier thing and from what ive gathered multicam is a part of it |
I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin.' Story goes that ACU was the Army's 2nd choice after Multicam - something about Uncle Sam and Crye not agreeing on trademark royalties. That said, according to Crye, The Army will eventually be in Multicam. Which brings us back to my original reply. |
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